Eggs are going top increase in Price.
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CA bill would require imported eggs to meet "Prop. 2" standards (Riverside PE)‏ Sent: May 15, 2009 3:17:07 PM Riverside Press Enterprise (CA) Bill would apply caged hen rules to out-of-state eggs By JIM MILLER Sacramento Bureau May 11, 2009 http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_eggs11.4644e80.htmlSACRAMENTO - California's upcoming ban on small cages for egg-laying hens would be extended to out-of-state egg producers if a bill moving through the Legislature becomes law. The state's $648 million egg industry so far is neutral on the legislation, which is championed by the same groups that backed Prop. 2, the successful November ballot initiative that requires more room for chickens and other farm animals. The bill, though, already has received support from legislators who opposed Prop. 2. They say it will help California's egg industry compete with out-of-state egg producers who, under current law, will not need to comply with Prop. 2 when its rules take effect in 2015. "I think there's a general consensus out there that if our industries have to do certain things for the housing of poultry, then we don't think it's too much to ask the rest of the country to adhere to the same rules that we do, just to keep our folks competitive," said Assemblyman Tom Berryhill, R-Modesto, a co-author of AB 1437. He opposed Prop. 2. Prop. 2 mandates that pigs, calves raised for veal and egg-laying hens have enough space to lie down, stand up, turn around and fully extend their limbs. Violators can face criminal penalties. Its main impact is on the egg industry, which led last year's opposition to the initiative. An Assembly committee analysis of the bill raised concerns that expanding Prop. 2's rules to out-of-state egg producers could violate the interstate commerce clause of the U.S. Constitution meant to prevent states from restricting imports from other states. In addition, the new legislation has failed to placate California egg producers' frustration with Prop. 2. The industry is forming a new group, the Association of California Egg Farmers, mainly to deal with Prop. 2's implementation. Gary Foster, general manager of Riverside County's Norco Ranch, a major egg producer, said his company recently canceled a $35 million expansion because of questions about complying with Prop. 2. Among other things, he said, the 540-word law leaves unclear what sort of building would meet the initiative's requirement that chickens need to be able to extend their wings without touching another bird. Would a producer get in trouble if birds touched while extending their wings at the same time, for example, Foster asked. "It incorporates Prop. 2 but doesn't explain what it is," Foster said of this year's bill. "We would like very much to comply with what the voters wanted. But we don't know what that is." The Humane Society of the United States, which largely bankrolled the Yes-on-2 campaign, is pushing the new bill. Jennifer Fearing, the Humane Society's chief economist and its Sacramento lobbyist, said the bill would further the goal of getting more chickens out of what animal-rights groups contend are inhumane cages. She also said the Humane Society is working with California producers to address questions about complying with Prop. 2. "The overwhelming support that Californians had for Prop. 2 sent a signal about what they think about the tradeoffs and risks associated with this kind of food production," Fearing said. prop. 2 fight The battle over Prop. 2 drew attention and money from around the country. Donors in Riverside and San Bernardino counties contributed more than $1 million of the nearly $9 million opponents raised. Supporters, led by the Humane Society, raised more than $10.3 million and filled the airwaves with graphic images of chickens in small cages and other animals purportedly being mistreated. Opponents said the footage was "dubious and cynical." Critics said Prop. 2 would significantly raise the price of eggs, something proponents disputed. The election was a rout. Prop. 2. passed everywhere except in several Central Valley counties. Afterward, some critics started calling for splitting the state because "uneducated city dwellers" were dictating agricultural rules. There also were less strident conversations. Assemblyman Jared Huffman, D-San Rafael, was among those who participated. Huffman authored AB 1437 and said his bill closes a "gaping hole" that would let out-of-state producers sell eggs to California consumers. "I'm sure the industry would love to wake up tomorrow and not have Prop. 2 be the law of the land, but the voters spoke pretty loudly and clearly that they want these minimum anti-cruelty standards," Huffman said. "This levels the playing field and gives effect to what the voters thought they were doing when they passed Prop. 2." The Assembly Agriculture Committee unanimously approved the bill last week. Besides Berryhill, a yes vote came from the panel's chairwoman, Assemblywoman Cathleen Galgiani, D-Merced, who last year rallied her colleagues to oppose Prop. 2 because she said it would eliminate hundreds of jobs. For California's egg industry, the new legislation offers potential pitfalls and rewards. The bill could emerge as a vehicle for the industry to get clear guidance on what Prop. 2 requires. Or it could solidify the initiative's legal position against any potential industry lawsuit. The bill could lend momentum to congressional efforts to craft national animal-confinement standards. But any support by California producers' for the legislation would put them sharply at odds with the national egg industry. United Egg Producers, an Atlanta-based national industry group, did not respond to a request for comment on the California bill.
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If this crap passes I hope they dont have nothing but a vulture egg to eat out their for the next 3 yrs or more if that, now dont get me wrong now their is a line between cruelty and farming, now with that being said im sure some houses probably need a fixin, but an animal or fowl is just what it is,an animal or fowl. Also this is what you get when people that live in the city vote on things that are in the rural country area, that shouldnt have a say so no matter what because they have no clue. ( THE IDIOTS)
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it would be great if the egg industry said pizz off.... and they got no eggs..
that is all it will take, someone to stand up to these morons.
what would the backlash be if you coulnd't get an egg in California??? that would be awesome, no bakeries, all the manufacturing food plants that need them, Mc'd's and such ah hah ah..
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Typical Californistan politics. Trying to impose their idiocy upon the entire country.
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Tell California to eat their own eggs. Trouble is that now that they have gained the upper hand in California they are trying to push their nonsense upon all agriculture throughout all of the pork,veal & chicken markets. Also must note that Florida also bent to the pressure with hen cages and farrowing crate issues. California was just an easier target to begin with.
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pass-thru, not if the 9th Circus Court of Appeals hears the case first, and they will. Might be years before it makes it to the Supreme Court.
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Mira, I have no sympathy whatsoever for the people of California who voted for this bill. I hope their eggs cost them $20 per dozen. Its about time the stupid are allowed to face the consequences of their actions.
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Glad we have a dozen laying hens! makes me want to put a couple of free range ones out there in the garden
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Mira, I have no sympathy whatsoever for the people of California who voted for this bill. I hope their eggs cost them $20 per dozen. Its about time the stupid are allowed to face the consequences of their actions. Couldn't have said it better myself. They made the bed, let them sleep in it!
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So when is California going to require the same enviromental standards,labor laws etc. for goods coming from Mexico?
keep the wind in your face and the sun at your back
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Mira, I have no sympathy whatsoever for the people of California who voted for this bill. I hope their eggs cost them $20 per dozen. Its about time the stupid are allowed to face the consequences of their actions. Couldn't have said it better myself. They made the bed, let them sleep in it! You folks seem to be missing my point. It is the farmers of California that are going to loose their livelihood because of such nonsense. The folks that actually raise hens ,veal & pork are being over-ruled by self righteous idiots and now those same idiots are trying to get the same legislation supplied across North America.
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I would have to agree with the above, Via a couple of phone calls to the industry powerhouses, I'd see to it that California didn't get another egg anywhere. All eggs produced in cali, sold else where, no eggs come into cali.
In less than a week "Talks" would take place, and in a month the would fold. Too large a portion of the industries depend on eggs to not fold.
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So all the California farmers could export their eggs to surrounding states! Let the industry there that needs eggs and such, figure it out.
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So all the California farmers could export their eggs to surrounding states! Let the industry there that needs eggs and such, figure it out. But California eggs will be over priced in such markets because H$U$ forced the California farmers into more costly egg production,then their competitors.
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Mira, sometimes you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet, and sometimes you gotta let the farmers suffer along with idiotic consumers.
But, hey, you wanna know what is really going to happen? The federal government will provide those egg farmers with some cash to change their operations over, and then some subsidies to keep the prices down, and instead of the pathetic morons in California who voted for the changes paying for it, I'll end up paying for it for the rest of my life.
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Mira, sometimes you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet, and sometimes you gotta let the farmers suffer along with idiotic consumers.
But, hey, you wanna know what is really going to happen? The federal government will provide those egg farmers with some cash to change their operations over, and then some subsidies to keep the prices down, and instead of the pathetic morons in California who voted for the changes paying for it, I'll end up paying for it for the rest of my life. And the bottom line is nobody can afford such unnecessary meddling from folks that couldn't tell a prize rooster from a egg laying hen.
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Of course we can afford it. Just ask the politicians in Washington. Here's how it is going to work, and you can bet your last egg on this.
California morons who voted for proposition 2 carry a lot of clout in Washington, DC. California has 53 Congressmen in the US House of Representatives, out of 435 total. Those 53 Congressmen will make sure that Californians don't have to pay for their stupidity.
So, what is going to happen is that the federal government will pay the egg farmers to change their operations over. They will also subsidize them so the egg prices the morons pay won't go up. And the next 6 generations of Americans will pay a little more in taxes for the stupidity of Californians.
The government is all about protecting the stupid from themselves. That has become its main purpose.
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Mira, I agree with you most of the time on just about everything you write but not this time.The dept. Ag's at the state level for year's have been getting more influance from the AR groups all over the nation.The states that have there wildlife issues run threw the dept.of Ag at the state level, may well know that they face The AR's before they even get out of the starting block.Mira,Maybe the the little old egg is the place to draw a line in the sand and say no more B.S I would say its like fighting them on a issue that will touch everyone in someway VS just fighting them on an issue that only affects a few like trapping.................Ringtailtrapper
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Mira, I agree with you most of the time on just about everything you write but not this time.The dept. Ag's at the state level for year's have been getting more influance from the AR groups all over the nation.The states that have there wildlife issues run threw the dept.of Ag at the state level, may well know that they face The AR's before they even get out of the starting block.Mira,Maybe the the little old egg is the place to draw a line in the sand and say no more B.S I would say its like fighting them on a issue that will touch everyone in someway VS just fighting them on an issue that only affects a few like trapping.................Ringtailtrapper We are not in disagreement Ringtail. I happen to see a lot of merit in Buckne's point of view but I feel real ticked off that farmers face the problems they do because folks that wouldn't know a rooster from a hen are calling the shots in legislation & ballot boxes. My point throughout this thread is the farmers who have such legislation passed against them are the ones who have even had State Veterinarians agree with the farmers and yet politics has destroyed the logic of raising animals as farmers know how they should be raised & the general public does not. Those same farmers never asked for any of this grief and they couldn't get common sense to over rule politics or H$U$ propaganda. We trappers face the same problem. The farmers of California are not the only ones who face this type of legislation.
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Mira, florida is just a out post of california so no suprise they go however california goes.
Looks like that stupid state is going bankrupt anyway with all of their stupid politic's finally catching up to them. Let them boil rocks for all I care.
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I wouldn't be surprised if someone doesn't challenge this in court based on the fact that only the federal government may regulate interstate commerce, and no state may tax imports from other states.
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Dnt worry folks, we'll sell you all you want for $1.50 a dozen..LOL
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Well Trappers I hope you are paying attention. Trappers do not have the money or political clout that the poultry industry has or had.
Also, I believe it is high time that trapper organizations personally invite poultry, hog, cattlemen, and farmers to every state and National trappers association conventions.
Easy to say too bad and turn away, but much more productive to say sorry and we will help as well as possible, if you help us as well.
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Well Trappers I hope you are paying attention. Trappers do not have the money or political clout that the poultry industry has or had.
Also, I believe it is high time that trapper organizations personally invite poultry, hog, cattlemen, and farmers to every state and National trappers association conventions.
Easy to say too bad and turn away, but much more productive to say sorry and we will help as well as possible, if you help us as well. You nailed it Slim. Been trying to get folks to think like that for years.
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Yes, those egg producers have more political clout, but they are going to use it to get subsidies to offset higher costs, and it is going to end up costing you and me. And they are going to keep that political clout by donating to the very politicians who want to kill trapping so they can satisfy the same type of people who voted for Proposition 2.
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Yes, those egg producers have more political clout, but they are going to use it to get subsidies to offset higher costs, and it is going to end up costing you and me. And they are going to keep that political clout by donating to the very politicians who want to kill trapping so they can satisfy the same type of people who voted for Proposition 2. Then it makes sense to adopt the plan that Slim offered . Work together as animal use people to gain political clout . The egg producers were wronged by H$U$ propaganda. We have been wronged by the same organization and it makes sense for us to offer them our respect and get both groups to fight with other groups in making sure H$U$ can not continue with their lies & propaganda. Reading the serves them right comments on this forum doesn't help to create alliances.
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Mira, I didn't see any "it serves them right" comments about the poultry farmers. I saw "it serves them right" comments about the voters.
And, like I said, in the end the poultry farmers aren't going to be hurt by this at all, and I suspect they know it. The government will make sure eggs don't go to $20 per dozen. They'll do that by subsidizing the egg producers. The voters in California get their happy chickens, the farmers get their money, and the only ones who lose are everyone else in the country who have to pay for it.
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Mira, I didn't see any "it serves them right" comments about the poultry farmers. I saw "it serves them right" comments about the voters.
And, like I said, in the end the poultry farmers aren't going to be hurt by this at all, and I suspect they know it. The government will make sure eggs don't go to $20 per dozen. They'll do that by subsidizing the egg producers. The voters in California get their happy chickens, the farmers get their money, and the only ones who lose are everyone else in the country who have to pay for it.
Then the eggs will go to twenty dollars a dozen no matter who bares the cost and their isn't any reason that they should, if the farmers had more support from OTHER ANIMAL USE persons such as our selves. As for," serves them right comments" . Think you better read the thread again because those comments are there and it seems that some folks think that it looks good on California that they bought into, H$U$ lies.
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Mira, you are spoton about what the farmer's are in for with the hsus,and slim your right about the trapper a well,so why not try and fight them on this issue of the egg rather the issue of trapping.We would have more dog in the fight on this issue than we might trying to stand alone,and we just might get help from these ag group's if we have a fight on our hands someday..............ringtailtrapper
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Mira, you are spoton about what the farmer's are in for with the hsus,and slim your right about the trapper a well,so why not try and fight them on this issue of the egg rather the issue of trapping.We would have more dog in the fight on this issue than we might trying to stand alone,and we just might get help from these ag group's if we have a fight on our hands someday..............ringtailtrapper That is the motivation for 90% of my posts here Ringtail. I post these articles so that people will eventually motivate themselves into becoming more vocal in supporting other animal use groups. If farmers in your area are under attack by folks complaining about smell or barns get out there and support your farmers. They will start recognizing you as a supporter and will start sticking up for you. I get emails all the time from folks that read my posts and don't bother to answer or put general input into those posts till it affects them. Then they send requests to me to give them council on how to fight PETA or H$U$ in their cause. We trappers must become more pro-active in helping other animal use groups such as these egg farmers.
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Proposition 2 passed by a vote of 63%.
Now, this new legislation is designed to apply the Prop. 2 standards to all states who ship eggs to California.
And who created this new bill that will shaft egg producers in other states? According to the article, the California egg producers did. It was drafted by an assemblyman representing the egg producers, so they could compete with those out of state egg producers.
So, this new bill isn't a product of animal rights groups. It is a product of the egg producers in California.
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In other words, this isn't a battle between AR groups and egg producers, anymore. It is now a battle between California egg producers and egg producers in all the other states.
Would be kinda like if California banned foothold traps, so the AR groups and California trappers teamed up to ban foothold traps in all the other states.
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In other words, this isn't a battle between AR groups and egg producers, anymore. It is now a battle between California egg producers and egg producers in all the other states. I guess they are now in a position where they know they aren't going to get those Government subsidies you saw coming Buckne. Now they are trying to stave off bankruptcy as they are the ones that have no farms if they don't try to keep ahead of the RULES set up by the ARA groups.
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Mira, after rereading the article, it became apparent that the issue isn't Proposition 2. That has already passed. The issue is California egg producers trying to pass this new legislation to apply Proposition 2 standards to the rest of the country so they can compete.
And frankly, if the California egg producers are trying to apply the Prop. 2 standards to the rest of the country, I hope they DO fail
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Mira, after rereading the article, it became apparent that the issue isn't Proposition 2. That has already passed. The issue is California egg producers trying to pass this new legislation to apply Proposition 2 standards to the rest of the country so they can compete.
And frankly, if the California egg producers are trying to apply the Prop. 2 standards to the rest of the country, I hope they DO fail They fail and they loose a multi million dollar industry because H$U$ put the first knife into their back. They need time to get their house in order and H$U$ actions in other states to make it apparent that society can not survive on animal rights monetary crucifixion of such markets. With time those California farmers will be able to hold the fort till the general public starts seeing the real costs of allowing idiots to rule the roost.
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Mira, I agree 100%. But IN THIS CASE, concerning THIS legislation, it is an issue of AR groups and California egg producers teaming up to force Prop. 2 standards on the rest of the country. I'll support egg producers in other states fighting this legislation, but I will NOT support this new team of HSUS and California egg producers.
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Mira, I agree 100%. But IN THIS CASE, concerning THIS legislation, it is an issue of AR groups and California egg producers teaming up to force Prop. 2 standards on the rest of the country. I'll support egg producers in other states fighting this legislation, but I will NOT support this new team of HSUS and California egg producers. Thank you for your input Buckne. By the two of us having this discussion it allows others to get a better grasp of just why we MUST become more proactive in extending our olive branch to other animal use people.
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Mira, the California egg producers are not the heros in this battle. They are the villains. They sponsored the legislation you and I are so against.
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Mira, the California egg producers are not the heros in this battle. They are the villains. They sponsored the legislation you and I are so against. That statement would be wrong Buckne. In fact the farmers fought the Prop 2 propsal which was primarily forced upon them by H$U$. They are now trying to buy time with this new proposal in the hopes of staving off the losses to their economy long enough for other states to come to the realization that the public can not afford twenty dollar a dozen eggs. http://www.uslaw.com/library/Media_&...php?item=269548 http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/jul2008/2008-07-31-093.asphttp://thebatavian.com/blogs/philipansel...e-vigilant/3577http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:QXahLcF-SokJ:magissues.farmprogress.com/WAL/WF08Aug06/wal05.pdf+Florida+farmers+new+confinement+laws&cd=20&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=firefox-a Actually these farmers are in the same boat as the states that have had trapping banned. They are hoping we can hold things together long enough to see legislators turn back anti-trapping bans.
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That statement would be wrong Buckne. And exactly HOW would that statement be wrong? Did the egg producers in California, or did they not, start this legislation to spread the Prop. 2 standards to other states? According to the article you posted, they did. And according to the article you posted, both HSUS and the California egg producers are now working to get the legislation passed to spread Prop. 2 standards to other states. It's like if the California trappers, having had footholds banned in California, decided to work to have footholds banned in every other state so they could compete. Would you support California trappers if that had happened? No? I didn't think so. So why are you supporting California egg producers, now?
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By the way, Mira, in your second post on this thread, you indicated you are opposed to this legislation. And you seemed to think that HSUS was trying to push their agenda on the other states outside California. Until I pointed out to you that HSUS didn't start this legislation, the California egg producers did, according to the article you posted. Now you seem to be SUPPORTING the legislation.
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Mira, your post Trouble is that now that they have gained the upper hand in California they are trying to push their nonsense upon all agriculture throughout all of the pork,veal & chicken markets. Also must note that Florida also bent to the pressure with hen cages and farrowing crate issues. California was just an easier target to begin with. indicated to me that you were opposed to the bill. Now you appear to support the bill, hoping it will force egg producers in other states to fight the restrictions. Now, after reading the article ONCE AGAIN, I can find nothing that supports your suggestion that the bill is aimed at drawing support from farmers in other states. On the contrary, every quote by every legislator mentioned in the article clearly states that the purpose of the bill is to impose the same restrictions on the other states in order to make their ability to produce eggs as restrictive as California's, suggesting that the goal is to RAISE the production costs of the other states so that California egg producers can compete. They state that very plainly.
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Mira, the bottom line is, before Prop. 2 goes into effect, the government will supply the egg producers with subsidies to cover the costs of the new regulations.
Right now, with no government subsidies and no new legislation, the egg farms in California would fold. The egg producers in Oregon and Nevada would have huge new markets. But the price of eggs to the consumer wouldn't change much.
But, with the proposed legislation, Oregon and Nevada egg producers' costs to produce eggs would also increase, driving up the price of eggs to the consumer in California. And the egg farmers in California know that.
They also know that the government isn't going to let the price of eggs sky rocket, which means more government subsidies.
So, the best way to assure government subsidies to the egg farmers in California is to create a situation where the costs would go up without the subsidies. And that situation is the proposed legislation that you posted about.
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Latrans, the voters won't pay for their decision. Nancy Pelosi and the 53 California congressmen in Washington will see to that by just giving out subsidies to the egg producers.
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You guys can argue about this all you want, the bottomline is that the egg producers in California see cheaper eggs coming in to compete with the market and these imported eggs don't have to adhere to the same standards that the local producers do.
My question is why wouldn't the local producers be well within their rights to hold the out of state eggs to the same standards? The voters approved the proposition in the first place creating the unfair standards, it only makes sense for the California producers to say "Hey wait a minute, these guys are importing eggs that don't have to meet the same standards as I do."
Make the voters pay for their decision or make for fair markets. Its the same thing. The era of cheap food is coming to an end partially due to the AR movement. Because CA voters should have no say over other states' internal affairs. And furthermore, that is precisely what the HSUS was going for with this, you'd be playing right into their hands...
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Upstate, no matter what happens, whether this legislation passes or doesn't pass, whether other states ship eggs into California or don't ship, it won't make a hill of beans to the price of eggs. The politicians will do what they always do...dole out money to make sure stupid people are protected from their own stupid decisions.
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You guys can argue about this all you want, the bottomline is that the egg producers in California see cheaper eggs coming in to compete with the market and these imported eggs don't have to adhere to the same standards that the local producers do.
My question is why wouldn't the local producers be well within their rights to hold the out of state eggs to the same standards? The voters approved the proposition in the first place creating the unfair standards, it only makes sense for the California producers to say "Hey wait a minute, these guys are importing eggs that don't have to meet the same standards as I do."
Make the voters pay for their decision or make for fair markets. Its the same thing. The era of cheap food is coming to an end partially due to the AR movement. Because CA voters should have no say over other states' internal affairs. And furthermore, that is precisely what the HSUS was going for with this, you'd be playing right into their hands... I don`t see it that way. Right now H$U$ is trying to isolate Ohio and New York to get the same prop 2 legislation. One peg at a time works for them. However if the threat of prop 2 hits every state at the same time the fish becomes to big for H$U$ to land. It also would become a major problem for the feds to as this legislation will make people more aware of just how rising food costs can be linked right back to Prop 2 laws. Politically , California egg producers are forcing the issue in the hopes that the consumers of north America wake up. Our job should be to point at California in each province & state and tell our politicians to stop pushing prop two type ballot initiatives at the bequest of H$U$. If California farmers win this and get interstate commerce involved because food prices are going to become more costly they could win this by forcing the issue NOW. With the proper pressure from other states and consumers that regard prop 2 as idiotic meddling by folks crippling farmers one state at a time the Feds may have to find a way of canceling all prop 2 legislation because it threatens America``s meat production.
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Mira, I think you give the California egg producers waaaaaay too much credit by suggesting they are trying to force this legislation to instigate some kind of national revolt.
No, this is about making sure they aren't undercut, pure and simple.
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Oh, and Mira, with Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House, and 53 of the 435 Congressmen in the House being from California, the state of California won't have to pay for the subsidies. They'll slip it into a bill in Washington, DC.
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I thought all them Californians were vegetarian yuppies anyway.Or doesnt eggs count as meat ?? No, we just grow the food that this nation eats. California is the single largest producer of just about every agricultural commodity you can name. If California Agriculture fails, this entire nation goes hungry.
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No Way! If Cal falls we can get it from Mexico or China. bob
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Latrans, don't kid yourself. You have any idea how much of our agricultural commodities is shipped overseas? Do you have any idea how much land is idled?
Don't believe for a second the rest of the country would starve without California's agriculture.
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In an interstate trade war, Georgia could bring Californian's to their knees simply by stopping the shipments of Zig Zags.
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I thought all them Californians were vegetarian yuppies anyway.Or doesnt eggs count as meat ?? No, we just grow the food that this nation eats. California is the single largest producer of just about every agricultural commodity you can name. If California Agriculture fails, this entire nation goes hungry. Apparently you have been smoking some of that Cali. commodity. California is a lot like Maryland. I don't think anybody would miss either one!
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Sure, it is number one. But that doesn't mean the rest of the country would starve without it. Since it has the largest population by far, it could barely be producing enough to feed itself and still be number one.
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Take a look in your pantry or the shelves of your grocery store next time and see where all that food comes from.
Crop and Livestock Commodities in which California Leads the Nation: Almonds Eggplant Lettuce, Romaine Pistachios Apricots Escarole/Endive Melons, Cantaloupe Plums Artichokes Figs Melons, Honeydew Plums, Dried Asparagus Flowers, Bulbs Milk Pomegranates Avocados Flowers, Cut Milk Goats Raspberries Beans, Dry Baby Lima Flowers, Potted Plants Nectarines Rice, Sweet Beans, Dry Large Lima Garlic Nursery, Bedding Plants Safflower Beans, Green Lima Grapes, Raisins Nursery Crops Seed, Alfalfa Bedding/Garden Plants Grapes, Table Olives Seed, Bermuda Grass Broccoli Grapes, Wine Onions, Dry Seed, Ladino Clover Brussels Sprouts Greens, Mustard Onions, Green Seed, Sudan Grass Cabbage, Chinese Hay, Alfalfa Parsley Seed, Vegetable and Flower Cabbage, Fresh Market Herbs Passion Fruit Spinach Carrots Jojoba Peaches, Clingstone Strawberries Cauliflower Kale Peaches, Freestone Tomatoes, Processing Celery Kiwifruit Pears, Bartlett Turnips Chicory Kumquats Peas, Chinese Vegetables, Greenhouse Cotton, American Pima Lemons Peppers, Bell Vegetables, Oriental Daikon Lettuce, Head Persimmons Walnuts
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Oh, and contrary to your claim, there are MANY agricultural commodities that California doesn't lead in; including cattle, chickens, hogs, wheat, and corn. All you guys seem to raise are vegetables. No wonder so many of you are vegans.
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Oh, and Mira, with Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House, and 53 of the 435 Congressmen in the House being from California, the state of California won't have to pay for the subsidies. They'll slip it into a bill in Washington, DC. You keep making that claim but it only a poorly conceived hunch on your behalf. In fact the Californian farmers would be crazy to fight for interstate trade barriers if they could just sit and wait for Feds to subsidize them. Those Californian farmers know no such subsidies are about to be offered . If they suspected they were to be offered they would just sit back and wait for them. The Grand Rapids Press > Michigan farmers to face off with Humane Society activists over animal > care legislation > by Monica Scott > Tuesday July 28, 2009, 1:43 PM > http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2009/07/michigan_farmers_prepared_to_f.html> > In a battle forming over proposed state standards for farm animal > treatment, farmers and agribusiness leaders are supporting the > proposals -- and squaring off against animal activists who oppose > them. > > A bruising 2010 ballot initiative campaign could be on the horizon, > led by the Humane Society of the United States. Representatives of > that group say the proposed bills, which could be voted on in the > House Agricultural Committee this week, don't address their concerns > about tight confinement methods, such as battery cages for poultry. > > The group is fresh off a victory in California in which voters > overwhelmingly approved measures that give chickens, pigs and calves > in crates and cages more room. Farmers there have until 2015 to change > their housing systems.> > State Rep. Mike Simpson, D-Jackson, one of the sponsors of the > Michigan bills, said the California initiative highlighted the lack of > mandatory standards here, which makes the state vulnerable to outside > groups. > > "With this legislation, we can prove farmers are doing it right," he > said. "We can find the bad actors and weed them out. We don't need > outside folks coming into the state." > > The legislation -- companion bills are in the Senate -- establishes > animal-care guidelines to be fully implemented in 2020, third-party > auditing, a certification program and an animal care advisory council. > > The 10-member council would make recommendations to the state > Department of Agriculture and the Commission on Agriculture on changes > to the standards every five years. The department and commission would > have sole authority to regulate livestock health and welfare. > > But Jill Fritz, Michigan state director for the Humane Society of the > United States, said agribusiness interests would dominate the advisory > council. She also said that adopting current industry standards would > mean allowing extreme confinement systems -- such as gestation crates, > veal crates and battery cages. > > For example, on average, each caged laying hen is afforded 67 square > inches of cage. HSUS wants the industry to move to a cage-free system > that allows at least 1.5 square feet of barn space. > > "Those methods of confinement do not allow animals the most basic > movements, such as the ability to turn around and stretch their > limbs," she said. "That is an inhumane way to raise animals. These are > modest reforms we are requesting." > > The Humane Society of the United States, which is not affiliated with > state or local agencies, is considering ballot initiatives in Michigan > and Ohio. Last month, Ohio lawmakers approved resolutions to create a > 13-member board to oversee animal treatment, and residents there will > vote on a constitution amendment. The action, prompted by California's > vote, is seen as a preemptive strike. But HSUS representatives say > they have gotten positive feedback from a poll of likely voters in > both states. > > Merle Langeland, president of the Ottawa County Farm Bureau and > co-owner of Langeland Farms in Coopersville, said that if there is a > ballot showdown, there is a compelling argument to be made about how > the cost of the measures for agriculture, a $71.3 billion industry in > the state, would be passed down through higher food prices. > > "When you have outside groups calling the shots -- in any industry -- > it's a recipe for disaster," said Langeland, whose 2,700-acre farm > raises dairy cows and poultry. "I hope that the general public feels > the legislation, if passed, puts in place enough controls for the care > of animals." > > The Michigan Humane Society has not taken a formal position on the > legislation but has raised some concerns. Representatives of the group > opposed the adoption of industry guidelines, some of which were > written earlier this decade. > > "By delaying their full implementation until 2020, and prohibiting > their review until 2025, the bill would effectively eliminate > consideration of new and developing practices in animal culture over > the next 16 years," Cal Morgan, the Michigan Humane Society's > president and chief executive officer, wrote Simpson last month. > > Animal activists have an ally in the Michigan Township Association, > which opposes the proposed measure because it preempts local control. > But Sen. Wayne Kuipers, R-Holland and a bill sponsor, said many > farmers have fields in different municipalities, so the proposal would > give them one standard to follow. > > FACT SHEET > The Michigan Legislature is considering two bills regulating animal > care. If approved, they would: > > • Give the state Department of Agriculture and the Commission on > Agriculture sole authority to regulate livestock health and welfare. > > • Adopt guidelines developed by national groups that farmers would > have to comply to by July 1, 2020. > > • Create a 10-member advisory council, appointed by the director of > the state Department of Agriculture. Council members could make > recommendations to change specific science-based animal standards > every five years. > > • Forbid a local unit of government from enforcing any ordinance > involving animal care standards regarding livestock. > > • Require a system of third-party auditors to certify whether farms > are complying with animal guidelines; the state would set fees to be > paid. > > Source: House Fiscal Agency
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Actually, they know that if the trade barriers are in place, which is the only way the egg prices will actually increase, then they are guaranteed the subsidies. If out-of-state egg producers are allowed to sell in California without the restrictions, then the egg prices aren't likely to change much, and they aren't as likely to get their subsidies.
Restrictions on importing eggs from out of state and raising the egg costs is the only way to guarantee the subsidies.
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Take a look in your pantry or the shelves of your grocery store next time and see where all that food comes from.
Crop and Livestock Commodities in which California Leads the Nation: Almonds Eggplant Lettuce, Romaine Pistachios Apricots Escarole/Endive Melons, Cantaloupe Plums Artichokes Figs Melons, Honeydew Plums, Dried Asparagus Flowers, Bulbs Milk Pomegranates Avocados Flowers, Cut Milk Goats Raspberries Beans, Dry Baby Lima Flowers, Potted Plants Nectarines Rice, Sweet Beans, Dry Large Lima Garlic Nursery, Bedding Plants Safflower Beans, Green Lima Grapes, Raisins Nursery Crops Seed, Alfalfa Bedding/Garden Plants Grapes, Table Olives Seed, Bermuda Grass Broccoli Grapes, Wine Onions, Dry Seed, Ladino Clover Brussels Sprouts Greens, Mustard Onions, Green Seed, Sudan Grass Cabbage, Chinese Hay, Alfalfa Parsley Seed, Vegetable and Flower Cabbage, Fresh Market Herbs Passion Fruit Spinach Carrots Jojoba Peaches, Clingstone Strawberries Cauliflower Kale Peaches, Freestone Tomatoes, Processing Celery Kiwifruit Pears, Bartlett Turnips Chicory Kumquats Peas, Chinese Vegetables, Greenhouse Cotton, American Pima Lemons Peppers, Bell Vegetables, Oriental Daikon Lettuce, Head Persimmons Walnuts Who eats this stuff?
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Drovers Magazine Another domino falls to HSUS By Drovers news source Thursday, May 14, 2009 http://www.drovers.com/news_editorial.asp?pgID=675&ed_id=5478Maine Governor John Baldacci signed landmark legislation Wednesday that will prohibit gestation crates and veal crates in his state. LD 1021 becomes effective Jan. 1, 2011, and was sponsored by Sen. John Nutting (D-Androscoggin County), senate chair of the Agriculture, Conservation and Forestry Committee. It passed the committee and both chambers unanimously. The Humane Society of the United States strongly backed the legislation. With the passage of this legislation, Maine becomes the sixth state to pass such legislation. Last November Californians passed The Prevention of Farm Animal Cruelty Act by a ballot initiative. Previously, Colorado, Florida, Arizona and Oregon passed similar reforms. __._,_.___
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OH farmers preparing for legislative battle with HSUS (AP)‏ Sent: May 20, 2009 3:53:14 PM Dayton Daily Press (OH) Humane Society: Give Ohio farm animals some space By The Associated Press Tuesday, May 19, 2009 http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/ohio...ace-125670.html CINCINNATI — The Ohio farm lobby and the Humane Society of the United States are girding for a fight over the confinement of farm animals, with the Washington-based society saying it is confident voters will side with animals and farmers saying the group's real goal is to reduce consumption of animal products. The Humane Society met with Ohio Farm Bureau Federation leaders, the Ohio Cattlemen's Association, the Ohio Pork Producers Council and the Ohio Poultry Association in February to deliver this message: Ohio farmers must agree to change their animal husbandry practices or have the practices changed for them via the ballot box. "When we met with those industry leaders, we suggested we come to a meeting of the minds with a plan to phase out confinement systems in the state," Humane Society president Wayne Pacelle said Tuesday. "My suggestion to agricultural leaders in Ohio was not to squander money on a campaign that was likely to fail." The Humane Society has three main initiatives involving farm animals. It wants to ban gestation crates that allow little movement for sows giving birth, cages smaller than an 8-inch-by-11-inch sheet of paper for laying hens, and stalls that prevent veal calves from moving around. "We just think that's inhumane and wrong, and that animals raised for food deserve humane treatment," Pacelle said. The farm bureau has served notice that it is not going to roll over. "They make what sound like simple demands regarding animals when in reality their true goal is to give animals status equal to humans," said Jack Fisher, executive vice president of the Ohio Farm Bureau Federation. The federation sounded a fundraising alarm on its Web site last week. And in its newsletter, the organization asks if the Humane Society is making an honest attempt to improve animal care, "or is it part of a broader effort to disrupt livestock farms, artificially drive up the cost of animal products and restrict consumer choice?" Pacelle said public sentiment is on the side of the Humane Society, which has 11 million members and is the nation's largest animal-protection organization. He noted that Maine's governor last week signed legislation banning crates and cages that cramp breeding pigs and veal calves, beginning in January 2011. The Humane Society also got easy wins in Oregon and Colorado, where industry leaders went along with proposed changes. It also won ballot initiatives in Florida, Arizona and California, where the public sided with the Humane Society "overwhelmingly, in the 70 percent range," Pacelle said. "We've done our own polling in Ohio and found it very similar to California, he said. He said the society hopes "responsible members of the agriculture community will realize it's in their best interest" to compromise. "If we can't reach an accommodation, we'll do what's necessary to qualify a ballot initiative in fall 2010 election," he said. The Ohio Farm Bureau Federation, which has more than 230,000 members and lobbies for the state's farmers and farming interests, characterizes the Humane Society as driven by a vegan philosophy that "often uses images of sad-eyed puppies to solicit donations from well-meaning individuals." "We respect their passion for these particular issues," said Keith Stimpert, the federation's senior vice president of public policy. "Unfortunately, making these decisions at the ballot box is a very poor approach." He said the farm bureau was starting a new Center for Food and Animal Issues that would focus on "the whole gamut of animals' role in society." The center will raise money and be the federation's voice in the public debate on farm animal welfare issues. ___ On the Net: Ohio Farm Bureau Federation: http://www.ofbf.orgHumane Society of the United States: http://www.hsus.org
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