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#671102 - 04/07/08 10:32 PM He unlocked a very large mystry and now has Faith.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article673663.ece

From The Sunday Times
June 11, 2006
I’ve found God, says man who cracked the genome
Steven Swinford

THE scientist who led the team that cracked the human genome is to publish a book explaining why he now believes in the existence of God and is convinced that miracles are real.

Francis Collins, the director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute, claims there is a rational basis for a creator and that scientific discoveries bring man “closer to God”.

His book, The Language of God, to be published in September, will reopen the age-old debate about the relationship between science and faith. “One of the great tragedies of our time is this impression that has been created that science and religion have to be at war,” said Collins, 56.

“I don’t see that as necessary at all and I think it is deeply disappointing that the shrill voices that occupy the extremes of this spectrum have dominated the stage for the past 20 years.”

For Collins, unravelling the human genome did not create a conflict in his mind. Instead, it allowed him to “glimpse at the workings of God”.

“When you make a breakthrough it is a moment of scientific exhilaration because you have been on this search and seem to have found it,” he said.“But it is also a moment where I at least feel closeness to the creator in the sense of having now perceived something that no human knew before but God knew all along.

“When you have for the first time in front of you this 3.1 billion-letter instruction book that conveys all kinds of information and all kinds of mystery about humankind, you can’t survey that going through page after page without a sense of awe. I can’t help but look at those pages and have a vague sense that this is giving me a glimpse of God’s mind.”

Collins joins a line of scientists whose research deepened their belief in God. Isaac Newton, whose discovery of the laws of gravity reshaped our understanding of the universe, said: “This most beautiful system could only proceed from the dominion of an intelligent and powerful being.”

Although Einstein revolutionised our thinking about time, gravity and the conversion of matter to energy, he believed the universe had a creator. “I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details,” he said. However Galileo was famously questioned by the inquisition and put on trial in 1633 for the“heresy” of claiming that the earth moved around the sun.

Among Collins’s most controversial beliefs is that of “theistic evolution”,which claims natural selection is the tool that God chose to create man. In his version of the theory, he argues that man will not evolve further.

“I see God’s hand at work through the mechanism of evolution. If God chose to create human beings in his image and decided that the mechanism of evolution was an elegant way to accomplish that goal, who are we to say that is not the way,” he says.

“Scientifically, the forces of evolution by natural selection have been profoundly affected for humankind by the changes in culture and environment and the expansion of the human species to 6 billion members. So what you see is pretty much what you get.”

Collins was an atheist until the age of 27, when as a young doctor he was impressed by the strength that faith gave to some of his most critical patients.

“They had terrible diseases from which they were probably not going to escape,and yet instead of railing at God they seemed to lean on their faith as a source of great comfort and reassurance,” he said. “That was interesting,puzzling and unsettling.”

He decided to visit a Methodist minister and was given a copy of C S Lewis’s Mere Christianity, which argues that God is a rational possibility. The book transformed his life. “It was an argument I was not prepared to hear,” he said. “I was very happy with the idea that God didn’t exist, and had no interest in me. And yet at the same time, I could not turn away.”

His epiphany came when he went hiking through the Cascade Mountains in Washington state. He said: “It was a beautiful afternoon and suddenly the remarkable beauty of creation around me was so overwhelming, I felt, ‘I cannot resist this another moment’.”

Collins believes that science cannot be used to refute the existence of God because it is confined to the “natural” world. In this light he believes miracles are a real possibility. “If one is willing to accept the existence of God or some supernatural force outside nature then it is not a logical problem to admit that, occasionally, a supernatural force might stage an invasion,” he says.
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#671151 - 04/07/08 11:13 PM Re: He unlocked a very large mystry and now has Faith. [Re: Mira Trapper]
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m, real nice article, thanks for sharing. i need these from time to time.
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#671309 - 04/08/08 07:01 AM Re: He unlocked a very large mystry and now has Fa [Re: rapman]
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 Originally Posted By: rapman
m, real nice article, thanks for sharing. i need these from time to time.


We all do as Faith is something worked with not buried away.
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#671521 - 04/08/08 10:38 AM Re: He unlocked a very large mystry and now has Fa [Re: Mira Trapper]
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 Originally Posted By: Mira Trapper
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article673663.ece

From The Sunday Times
June 11, 2006
I’ve found God, says man who cracked the genome
Steven Swinford

THE scientist who led the team that cracked the human genome is to publish a book explaining why he now believes in the existence of God and is convinced that miracles are real.

Francis Collins, the director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute, claims there is a rational basis for a creator and that scientific discoveries bring man “closer to God”.

His book, The Language of God, to be published in September, will reopen the age-old debate about the relationship between science and faith. “One of the great tragedies of our time is this impression that has been created that science and religion have to be at war,” said Collins, 56.

“I don’t see that as necessary at all and I think it is deeply disappointing that the shrill voices that occupy the extremes of this spectrum have dominated the stage for the past 20 years.”

For Collins, unravelling the human genome did not create a conflict in his mind. Instead, it allowed him to “glimpse at the workings of God”.


“When you make a breakthrough it is a moment of scientific exhilaration because you have been on this search and seem to have found it,” he said.“But it is also a moment where I at least feel closeness to the creator in the sense of having now perceived something that no human knew before but God knew all along.

“When you have for the first time in front of you this 3.1 billion-letter instruction book that conveys all kinds of information and all kinds of mystery about humankind, you can’t survey that going through page after page without a sense of awe. I can’t help but look at those pages and have a vague sense that this is giving me a glimpse of God’s mind.”

Collins joins a line of scientists whose research deepened their belief in God. Isaac Newton, whose discovery of the laws of gravity reshaped our understanding of the universe, said: “This most beautiful system could only proceed from the dominion of an intelligent and powerful being.”

Although Einstein revolutionised our thinking about time, gravity and the conversion of matter to energy, he believed the universe had a creator. “I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details,” he said. However Galileo was famously questioned by the inquisition and put on trial in 1633 for the“heresy” of claiming that the earth moved around the sun.

Among Collins’s most controversial beliefs is that of “theistic evolution”,which claims natural selection is the tool that God chose to create man. In his version of the theory, he argues that man will not evolve further.

interesting that he chooses such a non-rational view, for all his scientific training.... "theistic evolution" that he believes ends with man..... yeah, there is alot of reason behind that.

“I see God’s hand at work through the mechanism of evolution. If God chose to create human beings in his image and decided that the mechanism of evolution was an elegant way to accomplish that goal, who are we to say that is not the way,” he says.

“Scientifically, the forces of evolution by natural selection have been profoundly affected for humankind by the changes in culture and environment and the expansion of the human species to 6 billion members. So what you see is pretty much what you get.”

Collins was an atheist until the age of 27, when as a young doctor he was impressed by the strength that faith gave to some of his most critical patients.

“They had terrible diseases from which they were probably not going to escape,and yet instead of railing at God they seemed to lean on their faith as a source of great comfort and reassurance,” he said. “That was interesting,puzzling and unsettling.”

He decided to visit a Methodist minister and was given a copy of C S Lewis’s Mere Christianity, which argues that God is a rational possibility. The book transformed his life. “It was an argument I was not prepared to hear,” he said. “I was very happy with the idea that God didn’t exist, and had no interest in me. And yet at the same time, I could not turn away.”

His epiphany came when he went hiking through the Cascade Mountains in Washington state. He said: “It was a beautiful afternoon and suddenly the remarkable beauty of creation around me was so overwhelming, I felt, ‘I cannot resist this another moment’.”

Collins believes that science cannot be used to refute the existence of God because it is confined to the “natural” world. In this light he believes miracles are a real possibility. “If one is willing to accept the existence of God or some supernatural force outside nature then it is not a logical problem to admit that, occasionally, a supernatural force might stage an invasion,” he says.


interesting article.... sounds quite vague and -might i say- panentheistic, to me anyway

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#671533 - 04/08/08 10:51 AM Re: He unlocked a very large mystry and now has Fa [Re: Rpowers]
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Mira.....there is another author, Josh McDowell, who wrote a couple books called "Evidence That Demands a Verdict".....way too heavy for me to read, but my husband John read them years ago, and this man set out to disprove the Bible, and ended up proving it and becoming a believer. No surprise to me!!
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#671567 - 04/08/08 11:18 AM Re: He unlocked a very large mystry and now has Fa [Re: Rpowers]
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The fact that he is acknowledging CS Lewis kinda indicates he might have a little more that a pantheist view of God. I think the Scientist is acknowledging God's omnipotence and he just might have a deeper idealism then Man can be perfect without God.

Folks like me love the Sciences and I feel that with Time God will justify and reveal His existence through Scientific research that shows the puzzle was not random but cut to a specific pattern & time element by God. I think education should be an equal opportunity venue where critical thinking will give people faith in God or Atheism as individuals weigh those options. Teaching just evolution was not the answer either. I think Collins is also correct about us being in God's image and not evolving in the evolutionist sense.

For example:: I think his point is that we have been given God's image and can only build on that creation through personal development. For example I figure Socrates or Solomon had the exact tools that we have for personal development but Historical cataloging of our societal achievements will be the real evolution for mankind. At least, that is what I garnish from Collins's observations. You could be right about him Ryan but I think Collins is a tad deeper then Panthiest Religions offer in relationship to God.
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#671589 - 04/08/08 11:44 AM Re: He unlocked a very large mystry and now has Fa [Re: MsCat]
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 Originally Posted By: MsCat
Mira.....there is another author, Josh McDowell, who wrote a couple books called "Evidence That Demands a Verdict".....way too heavy for me to read, but my husband John read them years ago, and this man set out to disprove the Bible, and ended up proving it and becoming a believer. No surprise to me!!


Hi MS. There is also another book in print called "Scientist who believe." I read it a number of years ago and was totally amazed at the Top Quality Scientists, Mathematicians & highly developed intelligent minds that totally believe in God. They do so because the puzzle of life has to many pin point accurate details to have been a random development without a Creator pushing the plan.


One genetic expert taught evolution for over 35 years to university students. He was driving to a lesson one day and his own math caught up to him and made him realize that his own words of wisdom were his own words pointing out for him the of blind fallacy involved with evolution. He stopped his car and read his paper that he was to use teaching his class the rules of genetic evolution. In his paper he had noted about three thousand traits within genetics that would throw any life form off the path of FORWARD development in evolution. The ratio he mathematical arrived at was 3000 genetic defects towards backward evolution & 1 towards forward development. He never taught another Evolutionist class because he knew at that point that for every good genetic factor towards better life forms three thousand were working towards negative results. Thus he came to the realization that God formed us in His image and we are in continuity with other life forms just as God planned. BTW many intelligent people from top professional fields have taken a role play where they set out to disprove the Bible but ended up with more Faith then our Religious leaders. CS Lewis was one such character. He was a practicing Athiest till he decided to shred the Biblical Myths. He became a devote Christian and one of his greatest works was "Who Moved the Stone." One of his biggest questions for modern man was who moved the stone of a Dead Jesus since they were PROFESSIONAL killers who had executed Christ on the Cross to make an example through that death of Christ's human form being nothing Godly. Yet they pronounced Him Dead & set out to watch the stone so that it wasn't moved. A roman Soldier at that time that fell asleep during such a watch would be executed before he finished stating he was asleep. Yet a continent of such wary eagles never saw who moved the stone nor did they have any explanation. The Bible is it's own best seller & teacher but it never hurts to look into the Souls/minds & hearts of other men & woman that have their story to tell.

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#671729 - 04/08/08 02:09 PM Re: He unlocked a very large mystry and now has Fa [Re: Mira Trapper]
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I see your point Mira, but i said panENtheism, not pantheism. Francis Schaffer is another example along the lines of CS Lewis. He was an agnostic before he looked into the bible and became a christian. Mere Christianity is a great book, BTW, i own it. I hope for this scientists sake that he is speaking of the true God and not just the idea of a "god". I also think that a cursory reading of the new testament scriptures will cause one to realize that any forward/positive "societal achievements" are nothing more than substanceless fluff. the NT ( and OT) are pretty clear about the trend of history till the last days. man will gorify himself through societal and scientific advances and "achievements" and then, those who "21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man..."(Rom 1:21-23b) will be judged for their arrogance.
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