#668512 - 04/06/08 08:31 AM
Critical thinking lost on Vegans.
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Mira Trapper
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As most long time posters here know ,I spend a lot of time on other forums debating Vegan AR fanatics. One of the most obvious hypocrisies of the Vegans is their desire to pretend collateral damage isn't a big time animal killer in the crop production fields. Evidence points out they are lying in that pretension as proven by 39 billion dollar pesticide industry, heavy farm machinery equipment kills, crop production protection ungulate kills as pests, Sugar Cane burns that fry animals in the cane fields and coumarin/warfarin rodent poisons at grain elevators. I came across this article which points out just how vegans who represent less then 5% of the general population are missing the impact upon wild & domestic animals would be, if, we switched our diets to more involved vegan crop diets. The subsequent collateral damage would be extrapolated with 95% of our general population switching to a vegan diet to match the already existing 5% vegans. The rise in pesticides , machinery and lost habitat associated with that transfer would be a natural disaster beyond our present day understanding of just how large that impact would be.
Take the time to read this article and the students among you can certainly use it in a Critical thinking approach to why animal production worked in tandem with crop production is a much saner approach to maintaining balance then a complete switch to crop production only.
http://tinyurl.com/4fh6f7
American songbirds are being wiped out by banned pesticides
By Leonard Doyle in Washington
Friday, 4 April 2008
The number of migratory songbirds returning to North America has gone into sharp decline due to the unregulated use of highly toxic pesticides and other chemicals across Latin America.
Ornithologists blame the demand for out-of-season fruit and vegetables and other crops in North America and Europe for the destruction of tens of millions of passerine birds. By some counts, half of the songbirds that warbled across America's skies only 40 years ago have gone, wiped out by pesticides or loss of habitat.
Forty-six years ago, the naturalist Rachel Carson wrote Silent Spring, a study of the ravages caused to wildlife, especially birds, by DDT. The chemical's use on American farms almost eradicated entire species, including the peregrine falcon and bald eagle.
The pesticide was banned and bird numbers recovered, but new and highly toxic pesticides banned by the US and European Union are being widely used in Latin America.
Because of changed consumer habits in Europe and the US, export-led agriculture has transformed the wintering grounds of birds into intensive farming operations producing grapes, melons and bananas as well as rice for export.
Ornithologists say another silent spring is dawning across the US as birds are being poisoned by toxic chemicals or killed as pests in their winter refuges across South and Central America as well as the Caribbean. They say that many species of songbird will never recover, and others may even become endangered or extinct if controls are not put in place or consumer habits changed.
More problems await those birds which make it home. Millions of acres of wilderness the birds use as nesting grounds have been ploughed under in the drive to grow corn for ethanol, for bio-fuel.
Some 150 species of songbirds undertake extraordinary migrations up to 12,000 miles every year as they move from the south to nesting grounds in the US and Canada every spring. Ornithologists say that almost all these species are at risk of poisoning.
The migratory songbirds in most trouble include the wood thrush, the Kentucky warbler, the eastern kingbird and the bobolink, celebrated by the 19th century American poet Emily Dickinson as "the rowdy of the meadows".
Bridget Stutchbury, an ornithologist and professor at York University in Toronto, said: "With spring we take it for granted that the sound of the songbirds will fill the air with their cheerful sounds. But each year, as we continue to demand out-of-season fruits and vegetables, fewer and fewer songbirds will return."
The bobolink songbird has experienced such a steep decline, it has almost fallen off the charts. The birds migrate in flocks from Argentina, Bolivia and Paraguay to the east coast of the US, feeding on grain and rice, prompting farmers to regard them as a pest. Bobolink numbers have plummeted almost 50 per cent in the past four decades, according to the North American Breeding Bird Survey.
Rosalind Renfrew, a biologist who studied bobolinks as they were feeding in rice paddies in Bolivia, found about half of the birds had been exposed to toxic chemicals banned in Europe and the US. Some 40 to 50 species, which include the barn swallow, the wood thrush the dickcissel as well as migratory birds of prey, are starting to disappear.
It is only recently that the decline has been definitively linked to the use of toxic pesticides in the Caribbean and across Latin America. "Everyone who has looked for pesticide poisoning in birds has found it," Professor Stutchbury said. "When we count birds during our summers we are finding significant population declines in about three dozen species of songbirds."
She wrote in the comment pages of The New York Times: "They are the modern-day canaries in the coal mine." She said: "The imported fruits and vegetables found in our shopping carts in winter and early spring are grown with types and amounts of pesticides that would often be illegal in the United States."
Growers are using high doses of pesticides, which the World Health Organisation calls class I toxins. These are also toxic to humans and are either restricted or banned in the US and EU. But controls in Latin American countries are easily flouted.
"I believe that if we don't make drastic changes quite literally many birds which are common now are going to become rare," said Professor Stutchbury.
Testing by individual EU countries and the US Food and Drug Administration reveals that fruits and vegetables imported from Latin America are three and sometimes four times as likely to violate basic standards for pesticide residues.
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#668554 - 04/06/08 09:11 AM
Re: Critical thinking lost on Vegans.
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Latrans
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Vegans and Animal Rightists are all aethiests, otherwise how could they hold the views they do? When I bring up to them that they are adhering to their own religion of Veganism and Animal rights theology they are silent. I have actually heard them say that they are vegan or AR because they respect LIFE, then in the same breath say that hunters or trappers should die for killing game or eating meat.
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#668563 - 04/06/08 09:21 AM
Re: Critical thinking lost on Vegans.
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Mira Trapper
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Vegans and Animal Rightists are all aethiests, otherwise how could they hold the views they do? When I bring up to them that they are adhering to their own religion of Veganism and Animal rights theology they are silent. I have actually heard them say that they are vegan or AR because they respect LIFE, then in the same breath say that hunters or carnivores should die for killing game or eating meat.
They resent a God that is more interested in harvesting Souls and has sanctioned the death of every living organism so that the living will feed on those deaths. They can not get their mind around the plan that for death to become extinct, life would have to end first. They also adhere to the point of view that THEY must attain an Angelic Nirvana by pointing out that 95 % of the world's population is not as worthy of Sainthood as Vegan ARA are. They think they are worthy Saints because they advocate not eating animals is good for vegans but ignore that that path isn't healthy or less cruel for animals. Meanwhile they ignore the collateral damage of crop production because it draws attention to their hypocrisy.
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#668579 - 04/06/08 09:36 AM
Re: Critical thinking lost on Vegans.
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Let's not forget that Ingrid Newkirk, founder of PETA, was raised in India where her British father worked as an engineer. The primary faith in India is Hindu; as in scared cow. When she made her famous claim: "a pig is a rat is a boy" she was referring to reincarnation.
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#668598 - 04/06/08 09:46 AM
Re: Critical thinking lost on Vegans.
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Latrans
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I once had an AR (called herself an Animal Protectionist) tell me that I would become a serial killer because I hunt and trap. I told her I would never kill cereal, its what my food eats.
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#668599 - 04/06/08 09:47 AM
Re: Critical thinking lost on Vegans.
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Mira Trapper
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Let's not forget that Ingrid Newkirk, founder of PETA, was raised in India where her British father worked as an engineer. The primary faith in India is Hindu; as in scared cow. When she made her famous claim: "a pig is a rat is a boy" she was referring to reincarnation.
Crowkiller
And Pete Singer the so called Father of Modern Animal Rights has classed our Religions as:::
Peter Singer, Austrian philosopher: "Christianity is our foe. If animal-rights is to succeed, we must destroy the Judeo Christian religious tradition."
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#668604 - 04/06/08 09:52 AM
Re: Critical thinking lost on Vegans.
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Mira Trapper
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I once had an AR (called herself an Animal Protectionist) tell me that I would become a serial killer because I hunt and trap. I told her I would never kill cereal, its what my food eats.
Ask her if she enjoys knowing her cereal is crap free because millions of rats and other small mammals are poisoned to death at grain elevators to keep rat feces/urine and hair out of her breakfast or rice cakes for that matter. Them mention that the sugar bowl was filled after the animals were fried to death in sugar cane fields. You might want to note that deer and other ungulates are killed in her corn fields as pests because they are eating her dinner and the profits of the farmers.
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