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#652380 - 03/26/08 08:11 PM Please Vote on this storyline.
Mira Trapper Offline
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Registered: 09/17/07
Posts: 689
Loc: Cape Breton Island Nova Scotia
"Fur is Green" campaign survey (CBC)‏

As of 2 p.m. on Monday March 24, the vote was as follows. Vote NOW!

Does this <the article below> change your mind about fur?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/consumers/fur.html

No, I've always thought it was a good choice
(203) 46%
Yes, I might consider it now
(25) 6%
Interesting, but not yet convinced
(32) 7%
No way, ridiculous
(179) 41%
Total Votes: 439

VOTE NOW! Full article follows:
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CBC News (CAN)
In Depth
Consumers
Fur: sustainable resource or fashion faux pas?
Last Updated March 20, 2008


http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/consumers/fur.html

After facing decades of criticism, Canada's fur industry is the latest
group to tout itself as being green. Fur is biodegradable, durable and
supports trappers who have a stake in protecting the environment,
according to the Fur Council of Canada.

"Fur itself is a natural resource, it's very well-regulated in Canada,
there's no endangered species used," said Alan Herscovici, the FCC's
executive vice-president said in March 2008.

"Some of these animal activist groups who say we don't need fur
anymore, we have synthetics — but wait a minute, most of those
synthetics are made with petroleum petrochemicals and petroleum, of
course, is a non-renewable resource."

However, many fur opponents reject such arguments, saying buying fur
raises serious ethical and environmental questions. While the FCC in
March promoted trappers' connection to the land, critics noted that
animal farms yield the majority of pelts used for clothing and
accessories. Indeed, the value of ranch-raised pelts in 2005 tallied
$90.2 million while the wildlife pelt industry was valued at $31.4
million, according to Statistics Canada.

Ainslie Willock, director of the advocacy group Canadians for
Fur-bearing Animals, criticizes the FCC's campaign as being
disingenuous. Willock says she believes the campaign has not been
successful in swaying the public.

"It's just sheer opportunism. There's nothing about fur that is
so-called green or environmentally friendly," she said.

"Clearly fur isn't green from a cruelty perspective and also from an
environmental perspective and I find it highly offensive," she said.


Frigid winter spurs demand for Canadian pelts

Still, in certain segments, fur is becoming a hot commodity and
Canadian trappers are benefiting.

Blustery frigid weather in Russia and China in the winter of 2007-08
has rendered Canadian furs a hot commodity. Trapper Samuel McLeod of
Aklavik, N.W.T., says with fur coats now priced at $50,000, his pelts
are accordingly selling for between 20 and 50 per cent more at
auction.

Similarly, the Yukon Trappers Association said sales of the Yukon lynx
have been promising, fetching an average of $300 a pelt.

"There has been some just phenomenal fur coming in and now with these
prices coming up, it is getting a lot more encouraging," said the
association's president, Wendy Fornier.

In haute-couture circles, fur is still a provocative matter. In
February, designer Jean-Paul Gaultier made headlines with his new line
which incorporated wild animal pets with heads and paws attached.

Conversely, designer and PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of
Animals) campaigner Stella McCartney has spoken out against the use of
fur and doesn't use animal skin in her collections.


Is fur really green?

Consumers wading into the debate will find a spate of arguments on the
merits and harms of fur. A counterargument meets every argument in the
fur debate.

For example, many activists including PETA (People for the Ethical
Treatment of Animals) cite a 1979 University of Michigan study that
found the process of rearing ranch-raised animals consumes 20 times
the energy as compared with a synthetic fur coat. Comparable studies
taking into account technological advances have not since been
conducted. Meanwhile, the FCC says that up to four litres of petroleum
is used to make synthetic coats.

Similarly, the anti-fur lobby argues that furs are not eco-friendly
because chemicals including chromium and formaldehyde are used to
treat them. However, the FCC says that while small amounts of
formaldehyde are used in the tanning process, fur pelts are primarily
treated with natural products including table salt, water and lanolin.

Finding middle ground in the debate can be difficult. But at the very
least, the campaign is spurring relevant and important discussions,
says John Fryxell, a zoology professor at the University of Guelph.

Fryxell says that he doesn't subscribe to the idea that trapping is
essential to maintain the health of wildlife populations but he notes
that human use of animals can be sustainable. He also notes people who
stand to benefit from wildlife tend to be active in protecting their
habitats.

"Society needs to make judgments," he said. "What I find intriguing
about the campaign is I think it generates some discussion about the
relative merits of synthetics that we often presume are benign but
that there is a definite footprint on our environment that is imposed
by using non-renewable resources — I think we're all beginning to
recognize that more and more," he said.

"On the other hand, there have been some very heated debates about fur
trapping and those arguments also need to be taken into
consideration.… It's not clear-cut one way or the other but we're
going to have make choices between shades of gray."


Edited by Mira Trapper (03/26/08 08:14 PM)
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#653065 - 03/27/08 09:00 AM Re: Please Vote on this storyline. [Re: Mira Trapper]
BigBob Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2191
Loc: St. Louis Co, Mo
The poll is flawed. The last choice is "No way, ridulous", does this refer to anti fur, or if it changed your mind, and if so from which viewpoint.
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#653145 - 03/27/08 10:11 AM Re: Please Vote on this storyline. [Re: BigBob]
Mira Trapper Offline
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Registered: 09/17/07
Posts: 689
Loc: Cape Breton Island Nova Scotia
The first answer is the one that would carry the most weight for trappers & the fur industry. If you state that you didn't change your mind because you always believed in the fur industry, there is no way to miss the target.
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#653465 - 03/27/08 01:37 PM Re: Please Vote on this storyline. [Re: Mira Trapper]
Mira Trapper Offline
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Registered: 09/17/07
Posts: 689
Loc: Cape Breton Island Nova Scotia
I hope folks from this forum are voting to protect their future by making the point that you support the fur industry in this poll.
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#653477 - 03/27/08 01:43 PM Re: Please Vote on this storyline. [Re: Mira Trapper]
Ricky Cox Offline
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Registered: 03/17/08
Posts: 276
Loc: Lexington, Texas
I voted the first choice.
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#653487 - 03/27/08 01:49 PM Re: Please Vote on this storyline. [Re: Mira Trapper]
dbljaw Offline
trapper


Registered: 01/20/07
Posts: 737
Loc: Ole Ms....41 yr old
Mira,thank you for all your post.
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#653505 - 03/27/08 02:02 PM Re: Please Vote on this storyline. [Re: Mira Trapper]
TrappinWI Offline
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 315
Loc: Cedar Grove, WI
I voted. Thanks for bringing it up.
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#653632 - 03/27/08 03:11 PM Re: Please Vote on this storyline. [Re: Mira Trapper]
Gotcha! Offline
trapper


Registered: 07/11/07
Posts: 900
Loc: Vermont...15 y/o
 Originally Posted By: Mira Trapper
the value of ranch-raised pelts in 2005 tallied
$90.2 million while the wildlife pelt industry was valued at $31.4
million,

Thats where the moneys at!
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#653641 - 03/27/08 03:17 PM Re: Please Vote on this storyline. [Re: Gotcha!]
Gotcha! Offline
trapper


Registered: 07/11/07
Posts: 900
Loc: Vermont...15 y/o
Does this change your mind about fur?


No, I've always thought it was a good choice
(372) 34%
Yes, I might consider it now
(50) 5%
Interesting, but not yet convinced
(53) 5%
No way, ridiculous
(622) 57%
Total Votes: 1097

!!!NOT GOOD, I REPEAT NOT GOOD VOTE NOW!!!
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#653684 - 03/27/08 03:40 PM Re: Please Vote on this storyline. [Re: Gotcha!]
Mira Trapper Offline
trapper


Registered: 09/17/07
Posts: 689
Loc: Cape Breton Island Nova Scotia
Don't let the money fool you. Trick is this. You never raised and fed those wild animals. They need to be culled to keep wild species healthy and balanced and a trappers gain is in actually setting up a productive trap line. The rancher has overhead & rules of animal husbandry to contend with plus the reality that his fur ranch might be targeted for terrorist activities. All those points are relative to maintaining both wild and domesticated fur industry. Another neat thing is a fur rancher and a trapper can both delve into both aspects of the fur industry and learn to do both ranching and trapping.

Edited by Mira Trapper (03/27/08 03:41 PM)
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