#606128 - 02/29/08 05:43 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
[Re: Andy S]
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Hupurest
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 3905
Loc: Las anchorage
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ummmm...yours or the canines????
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#606143 - 02/29/08 05:52 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
[Re: suro25]
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j lord
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 4116
Loc: TN, just north of Smackdown
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andy you must have a weird dog!!!! lmao.
get a cat!!!!!
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#606145 - 02/29/08 05:55 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
[Re: j lord]
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j lord
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in all seriousness, i had a little chihahau (sp) that seemed to enjoy certain spots on the bed.....so hmmmmmm! lol
actually, i would think normal glands from female canines would already include the pheremones you speak of, so if glands are taken from in-heat canines then they are already added to the lures.
your a funny man andy!!
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#606153 - 02/29/08 05:57 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
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Creek Trapper
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Registered: 02/03/07
Posts: 1866
Loc: Eastern Kansas
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Interesting topic Andy, but I would wonder where you would get a steady supply??? 
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#606160 - 02/29/08 06:01 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
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Ole Hawkeye
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 2631
Loc: Oregon
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I think j lord is right, it's already in passion lures. But you are right, Andy. In grizzly country women are advised not to go camping at that time of the month.
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#606164 - 02/29/08 06:03 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
[Re: Ole Hawkeye]
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j lord
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Posts: 4116
Loc: TN, just north of Smackdown
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yep ole hawkeye. we we're in yellowstone at the wrong time of the month one year, and we couldn't go horse back riding...
now it gets scheduled around vacation, lmao.
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#606167 - 02/29/08 06:05 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
[Re: Ole Hawkeye]
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Hupurest
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 3905
Loc: Las anchorage
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I think j lord is right, it's already in passion lures. But you are right, Andy. In grizzly country women are advised not to go camping at that time of the month.
dude... that is a theory i had... we went 4 wheelin 3 guys and one dudes wife. in the morning the bear ate her seat off the 4 wheeler overnight...
I knew that was why....
sno squaws on my wheelers..
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#606168 - 02/29/08 06:07 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
[Re: j lord]
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Martin
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 710
Loc: SE Nebraska
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Ours are always pests then too. You would need something, (a fixative?) to keep the scent around for days. I'm thinking that if pheromones could be dispersed at a steady rate the perfume industry would have bottled it long ago.
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#606194 - 02/29/08 06:23 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
[Re: Martin]
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Hupurest
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 3905
Loc: Las anchorage
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is that why my dog likes my socks???
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#606199 - 02/29/08 06:27 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
[Re: Hupurest]
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j lord
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 4116
Loc: TN, just north of Smackdown
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hupe, lmao.....
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#606200 - 02/29/08 06:27 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
[Re: Martin]
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Asa Lenon
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2476
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
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I prefer to and use the in heat matrix glands from fox, coyote, bobcat and mink in My Nature's Call lure formulas. Think I'll pass on the addition of human substances. Don't know for sure but I would be willing to make a reasonable wager that if extensive testing were done on canines with human substances that just as many canines would avoid the human odors as those that went for them. Good topic though Andy!!! Ace
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#606205 - 02/29/08 06:30 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
[Re: Martin]
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High Noon
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Registered: 08/04/07
Posts: 324
Loc: East TN.
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In deer season when the big boys are in rut and your wife or girlfriend is having cramps and in a bad mood you should ask for her in heat scent. (I'm not real sure I'd ask my mother:0) Take it and tie it up near your tree stand and see what happens! Most people think it's a joke and don't want their buddys to see them do it. If they don't get a deer they think that they will be made fun of. But if you stay at it you will find great rewards. I don't sell or make a better lure than that! Best big Buck lure there is except a doe in heat during the full rut. Now don't sit there and laugh if you haven't tried it.
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#606218 - 02/29/08 06:38 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
[Re: High Noon]
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Hupurest
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 3905
Loc: Las anchorage
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In deer season when the big boys are in rut and your wife or girlfriend is having cramps and in a bad mood you should ask for her in heat scent. (I'm not real sure I'd ask my mother:0) Take it and tie it up near your tree stand and see what happens! Most people think it's a joke and don't want their buddys to see them do it. If they don't get a deer they think that they will be made fun of. But if you stay at it you will find great rewards. I don't sell or make a better lure than that! Best big Buck lure there is except a doe in heat during the full rut. Now don't sit there and laugh if you haven't tried it.
old timers in NY used to dot hat before you could buy tinks69.
not for me though....
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#606247 - 02/29/08 06:55 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
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redneck_cowboy
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Registered: 07/12/07
Posts: 3725
Loc: Scott County,Virginia...14
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LMAO
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#606249 - 02/29/08 06:56 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
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Walkin Tall
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Registered: 12/29/06
Posts: 136
Loc: Mississippi Delta
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Don't know why you couldn't take a yote prostate and grind it up or something.
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#606342 - 02/29/08 07:42 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
[Re: Walkin Tall]
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Dave Plueger
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Registered: 01/10/07
Posts: 678
Loc: Iowa (where the tall corn grow...
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I seriously know of a contracted coyote damage control trapper out west that uses his wifes used sanitary napkins when he has a difficult yote that hasnt responded to other types of attractants. He claims it works most of the time.
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#606358 - 02/29/08 07:53 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
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toms114
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Registered: 11/24/07
Posts: 118
Loc: pa
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high noon and dave are right. using tampons or pads really doues attrect the big buck. Its all in the estrigen. women and female animals produce estrigen during their cycle. The males smell it and know its breeding time. you have an excellent point Andy but using this stuff would propbably work only problem it has to be in the breeding season and you may attrect unwanted targets.
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#606372 - 02/29/08 08:00 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
[Re: MnMan]
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possum5676
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Registered: 01/02/07
Posts: 936
Loc: kansas
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its pretty much proven that in heat pheromones will not last in lures,of if they did the animal would have to visit in a couple hours time as they are gone fairly quickly even in the natural state, or as russ carman stated a buck would be a month behind the doe, instead of 20 minutes,one synthetic was tested a great deal on canines in the 70s 80s era by government research, supposed to be avauilable to the public from the usda upon request, is called synthetic monkey phereomone,thats probly what you are looking for and its been used and abused a fair amount already by various luremakers.
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#606379 - 02/29/08 08:08 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
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RockyII
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Registered: 09/01/07
Posts: 741
Loc: Oakland County, MI
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waiting.......
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#606401 - 02/29/08 08:18 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
[Re: possum5676]
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medicine man
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 114
Loc: PA
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its pretty much proven that in heat pheromones will not last in lures,of if they did the animal would have to visit in a couple hours time as they are gone fairly quickly even in the natural state, or as russ carman stated a buck would be a month behind the doe, instead of 20 minutes,one synthetic was tested a great deal on canines in the 70s 80s era by government research, supposed to be avauilable to the public from the usda upon request, is called synthetic monkey phereomone,thats probly what you are looking for and its been used and abused a fair amount already by various luremakers.
The female products would work fresh, but the pheromones are too volatile to bottle and store, they only last a few hours, still doesnt explain why some of those matrix lures are effective (from hersay, never have used them) but a lot of bowhunters think doe-in-heat scents are the biggest crock going, due to this reason. Personally, from a deers perspective, i have seen deer seem attractted to it, and others scared of it, but then again it could jsut be the curiousty factor
Another theory is the blood contains an elevated level of estrogens, and that is the attractant, but thats just some thoughts, no proof of anything
As for the "after products", the mucous contains a fair amount of estrogen and natural pheromones, and that might be why the are so attracted to it
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#606428 - 02/29/08 08:32 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
[Re: medicine man]
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Bob Jameson
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 1367
Loc: SW Pa
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I use and have used blood by products for many years to enhance glandular products that we will just say have been man altered in a way that in essence mirrors the heat cycle very closely.
What happens when your dog, fox, coyote,cat comes into heat???Most all are aware of this condition I am sure.
Bodily fluids/excretions of many kinds will cause animal interests and peak their curosity.
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#606453 - 02/29/08 08:44 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
[Re: Bob Jameson]
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j lord
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 4116
Loc: TN, just north of Smackdown
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some good serious points, when andy called me about this post i thought....oh no, this post wont last 2 minutes, lol.
thanks guys for the replies and all the other folks for keeping it clean, well as can be anyway, lol.
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#606507 - 02/29/08 09:08 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
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victortrapper
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 211
Loc: missouri
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i know a guy that used "used" tampons during deer season and he swears by them, lol but its true
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#606692 - 02/29/08 11:15 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
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Lynxcattrapper
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Registered: 10/18/07
Posts: 2810
Loc: Idaho
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I think j lord is right, it's already in passion lures. But you are right, Andy. In grizzly country women are advised not to go camping at that time of the month.
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#606695 - 02/29/08 11:17 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
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Lynxcattrapper
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Registered: 10/18/07
Posts: 2810
Loc: Idaho
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i know a guy that used "used" tampons during deer season and he swears by them, lol but its true
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#606710 - 02/29/08 11:34 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
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kylevandyke
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 862
Loc: Michigan
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Andy if ya want i'll send ya a few bottles of this "dynamit lure"
Edited by kylevandyke (02/29/08 11:37 PM)
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#606716 - 02/29/08 11:37 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
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kylevandyke
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: Michigan
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i know a guy that used "used" tampons during deer season and he swears by them, lol but its true
It works well on whitetails!! I use a little differet technique, that im only comfortable saying in a PM, so if anyone wants to kno, pm me and i'll tell ya what i do, shot bucks using it and have had NUMEROUS pass ups come into it!! I learned it from another guy at work, and now me, my buddy, my dad, and my dads buddy all use the same thing, works like a charm!
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#623624 - 03/09/08 03:13 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
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High Noon
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Registered: 08/04/07
Posts: 324
Loc: East TN.
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Ok guys I'm gonna step in it here. I quit making trapping lures back in the 80's to study deer. After 20 some years I've come to some conclusions about using deer urine and other attractants. I don't always aggree with government tests. I have done all my research on deer in the wild. I could tell ya all kinds of storys about the big time deer scent companys. Some have tried to buy from us and others have bought. When you sell to these big time companys you have to sign papers saying that you won't give any information about them etc. So don't ask!
If you have alot of money you can sell anything. You just buy as many ads as you can. TV, magizines, etc. Buy a few people, put them on your so called "PRO STAFF" and so on. These companys have to buy from many suppliers to meet demands. Some get another company to bottle and put it in pretty packaging. Do you think that there is alot of quality control going on? Do these big companys know what they are buying? Then do we mix this barrel of urine with that barrel of urine? These are things you should think about. Oh ya forgot about the new craze of serial numbers. Think I'll get outa bed when Mr. Buckie decides to mount Mrs. In Heat at 2 oclock in the morning. I could go on forever!
Back to the subject of deer urine and in heat scent. I do sell alot of in heat scent. Does it work better than regular deer urine? Thats really what your looking for right? And why do I sell in heat scent if it doesn't work?
OK HERE GOES! I don't know. Glad I got that outa the way!
Here's what I do know. I have shot as many big bucks with regular doe and young buck urine during the rut as I have using In Heat Scent. And also during testing I have not seen any more attraction to in heat than to regular doe urine. I have however seen better attraction to young buck and dominate buck urine. The only time Doe in heat outshined was the first day or two. Some big companys start packaging in May or June! How about your store bought urine vs. fresh urine. It's hands down with fresh urine. Where do you get fresh urine? From me of course:) Why do I sell Doe-in-Heat? (Because some guys watch to much TV and swear by it:0) REALLY some guys swear by it and that's what works for them. You have the tools you need right in front of you do your research and find those who sell fresh urine. But you still need to know who sells watered down urine and a host of other things.
I know some deer farmers that collect urine for 3 weeks when they think that the does are in heat then mix up three weeks worth and call it in-heat. Nothing gained if you don't put in the time. That's what's so great about this site that Paul runs. Do you have great bait makers and others that share what works for them? Am I a better lure and baitmaker than Bob J., Asa L., Paul D., or others? I think not! Do I have some lures and baits that work? Yes I do. Does one persons lure work better than anothers? Do we have a favorite lure, and does that tend to make us buy more of that persons products?
You have some great moderators on this website and you can find alot of answers on here, use it. What I write on here is just my opinion. I think that you have some of the very best lure and baitmakers around that answer the best they can without giving up their livelyhoods. I do have this one last thought, and that is this. These guys (Bob, Asa, Paul) sell an honest product and might not make the best of proffit on some of them, but they try to give you a product that works. And just like me, they keep trying to improve products. If they didn't we wouldn't learn much from them would we? It costs lots of time and money to come up with new and better products. The cost of everything is going up so don't complane if these guys have to raise prices in the very near future. They don't make as much proffit as you may think! If they help you, help them in return.
I have started making lures and bait for trapping again because I have grown tired of all the testing for deer that I've done over the last 20 or so years. And I was a Trapper before I was a Deer hunter. I'm not so young anymore and do alot of thinking about climbing those treestands as I hunt alone. I can still kneel down and set a mean trap though, so that's where my interest lies now until I can't get up off the ground. Hopefully my wife will just grind me up and sell me for Yote bait when that day comes. I will make the best yote bait anyone has ever or will ever come up with. So bid high as I'm sure my wife will sell me on E-Bay! I hope she puts a good reserve price on me:0)
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#623741 - 03/09/08 04:37 PM
Re: SERIOUS LURE QUESTION, Please be serious.
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woodswalker
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Registered: 02/20/07
Posts: 10
Loc: Maryland
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I can see it now.... "Charles, go wait in the truck. I'm gonna lure this set. Gimme a few minutes.... You can get the next one..."
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