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#354985 - 10/01/07 04:34 PM Informative post (pics)............
UncleFester UncleFester trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 2244 Loc: Onslow county NC	We have all seen alot of articles and drawings of what a beaver does at a dam break, but has anyone ever documented it? Here is a break in a dam I made and the results. Look closley at the 2 pics. One is color the other is black and white, but you can still make out where the water line was and where it is when Mr. beaver is making his repairs. Look at the foot placement. The time on the pics is 12 hours off so take that into consideration. Lets here your comments or what you think is going on here!!!!! $\:\)$ Before During I know the specifics of this spot but I want to hear what yall think!! _________________________ "I would rather be a nutjob conservative, than a liberal with no nuts and no job!!!"
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#354994 - 10/01/07 04:38 PM Re: Informative post (pics)............ [Re: UncleFester]
Gary Gary trapper Registered: 01/08/07 Posts: 8392 Loc: Indiana	beaver has debris and mud tucked under its chin .... pushin mud to repair _________________________
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#354996 - 10/01/07 04:40 PM Re: Informative post (pics)............ [Re: UncleFester]
M. Howard M. Howard trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 2237 Loc: Louisiana	Looks to me as if he is bring a load of mud up from the back of the dam to patch the hole. I was always told that they dig there mud from the back side of the dam, that is why the water will be so deep even in a shallow creek. I sure wish you could have gotten a pic of him packing the mud with his tail like they do in the cartoons. _________________________ If I have to explain it, you would not understand.
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#354998 - 10/01/07 04:41 PM Re: Informative post (pics)............ [Re: Gary]
CharlesKS CharlesKS trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 7035 Loc: Kansas,31,6-1,220,B/B NS	ill tell ya whats goinfg on, that bullfrog right there is kicked back and relaxing, while the beaver takes care of the pond. Bullfrogs rule the world, its apparent right there. _________________________ without farm subsidies, you box of cornflakes will cost you 15$
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#355001 - 10/01/07 04:43 PM Re: Informative post (pics)............ [Re: Gary]
hogballtrapper hogballtrapper trapper Registered: 02/13/07 Posts: 139 Loc: Texas	Yep I agree with Gary, the difference in water levels I'm guessing is because of the hole you put in the dam, and it must have let a lot of water out.
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#355003 - 10/01/07 04:43 PM Re: Informative post (pics)............ [Re: CharlesKS]
UncleFester UncleFester trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 2244 Loc: Onslow county NC	Ya Charles I noticed the frog also!! _________________________ "I would rather be a nutjob conservative, than a liberal with no nuts and no job!!!"
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#355004 - 10/01/07 04:44 PM Re: Informative post (pics)............ [Re: CharlesKS]
Gary Gary trapper Registered: 01/08/07 Posts: 8392 Loc: Indiana	lol@charles ....good eye $;\)$ .... howard i was told theey bring debris from out in front of the dam to construct and repair ... and by the feel of the bottom of the bed in front of the dam tells me this is true ... why would a beaver take from the dam to replace it ?? wouldnt this weaken the dam ?? .... not sayin im right ... just wanna hear ya thoughts _________________________
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#355005 - 10/01/07 04:46 PM Re: Informative post (pics)............ [Re: hogballtrapper]
UncleFester UncleFester trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 2244 Loc: Onslow county NC	Originally Posted By: hogballtrapper Yep I agree with Gary, the difference in water levels I'm guessing is because of the hole you put in the dam, and it must have let a lot of water out. I guess what I am gettin at is think of trap placement!! 5 hours later and set for a front foot this spot woulda been high and dry!!! _________________________ "I would rather be a nutjob conservative, than a liberal with no nuts and no job!!!"
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#355009 - 10/01/07 04:53 PM Re: Informative post (pics)............ [Re: UncleFester]
M. Howard M. Howard trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 2237 Loc: Louisiana	Gary every beaver dam we drain down here has a large pool hole on the up stream side of the dam. Not at the base of the dam, but back away from it sometimes a few feet, some times a few yards, sometime feather. The beaver dig the mud from the up stream side and pack it at a almost 45* angle on the up stream side of the dam. This is why the back side or upstream side is so smooth and the front or down stram side has all the debris sticking out the front side. Now I may not be right, but there is always a deeper hole on the up stream side of the dam. _________________________ If I have to explain it, you would not understand.
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#355010 - 10/01/07 04:54 PM Re: Informative post (pics)............ [Re: M. Howard]
CharlesKS CharlesKS trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 7035 Loc: Kansas,31,6-1,220,B/B NS	well, ILL state the obviuos, so some newbies might learn to...... a 330 or a snare would be no good, becasue of that stick he has in his mouth........ _________________________ without farm subsidies, you box of cornflakes will cost you 15$
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#355013 - 10/01/07 04:56 PM Re: Informative post (pics)............ [Re: M. Howard]
Gary Gary trapper Registered: 01/08/07 Posts: 8392 Loc: Indiana	i was meanin after the dam is built .... spose i worded it a bit wrong .... i was just wonderin why ya would think the beaver would leave the deep side of the dam ... crawl over the dam ... and then carry the mud from the shallow side of the dam to the damged area/areas .... sorry for the confusion _________________________
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#355019 - 10/01/07 04:59 PM Re: Informative post (pics)............ [Re: Gary]
M. Howard M. Howard trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 2237 Loc: Louisiana	Gary I should have stated upsteam/down stream the first time instead of front and back, cause I am not real for sure what is the front or back. LOL. _________________________ If I have to explain it, you would not understand.
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#355020 - 10/01/07 05:00 PM Re: Informative post (pics)............ [Re: M. Howard]
M. Howard M. Howard trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 2237 Loc: Louisiana	Beside, Charles, I don't set a trap then break the dam. I only break the dam a few day before I leave to make sure I got them all and the water is going to run down. _________________________ If I have to explain it, you would not understand.
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#355021 - 10/01/07 05:02 PM Re: Informative post (pics)............ [Re: Gary]
UncleFester UncleFester trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 2244 Loc: Onslow county NC	That was actually a cross over I busted out. I think they do the final repair from the down stream side, the actual big reinforcement of the dam. This one as most just put a plug in it, fer now. the water levels are so low it didnt have to worry about the dam spilling over. I think it is just worried about conserving what water it has left. _________________________ "I would rather be a nutjob conservative, than a liberal with no nuts and no job!!!"
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#355023 - 10/01/07 05:03 PM Re: Informative post (pics)............ [Re: M. Howard]
Gary Gary trapper Registered: 01/08/07 Posts: 8392 Loc: Indiana	oh well ... now we are both confused .... lol ..... davis thanx for the pix man !!! they are great !!! first of their kind that i have seen on here .... would be very cool to get sum video footage of that cam set in that exact spot .... have sum ideas for ya to try if that cam is still there and not far from ya basecamp ...lol ..... would think ya would get pix of critters crossin that dam as well .... thanx for sharin man !!! _________________________
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#355025 - 10/01/07 05:06 PM Re: Informative post (pics)............ [Re: Gary]
UncleFester UncleFester trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 2244 Loc: Onslow county NC	Gary I am back home now, got in about 2 hours ago. I had to pull it cause we were packin up! _________________________ "I would rather be a nutjob conservative, than a liberal with no nuts and no job!!!"
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#355028 - 10/01/07 05:11 PM Re: Informative post (pics)............ [Re: UncleFester]
Gary Gary trapper Registered: 01/08/07 Posts: 8392 Loc: Indiana	thats cool man .... hope to see sum more pix from ya soon !!! gettin that time of the year !! still need to get alot of things together and get sum papers signed ... hit me up with a PM when ya get the chance _________________________
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#355031 - 10/01/07 05:12 PM Re: Informative post (pics)............ [Re: Gary]
don Wolf don Wolf trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 2709 Loc: evansville Indiana age 62	I think the beaver is saying, with a glare in his eye, who was the so and so that busted my dam. I personally think that beaver work on the breast of the dam from the breast side. The breast side being the side that holds the water back. Now if a beaver has a second and third dam, which is quite normal , he may then get his mud from below the dam.
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#355038 - 10/01/07 05:17 PM Re: Informative post (pics)............ [Re: don Wolf]
270Jake 270Jake trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 496 Loc: Michigan	Great post! Has anyone set up a trail cam on a castor mound during the spring?
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#355046 - 10/01/07 05:24 PM Re: Informative post (pics)............ [Re: 270Jake]
Bottomline Bottomline trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 3356 Loc: Johnston "By God" County, NC	That's a great post Sean. To "Me", the beaver has a load of repair debris in his front feet, tucked under his chin, and is plugging the whole while working from the side of the hole rather than square on. You can certainly see where a large foothold trap should be placed to catch this fella. Very informayive post, especially from a beaver trappers point of view. This just confirms what we usually speculate goes on. Hope this one is archived. Good job buddy......and welcome home. $;\)$ _________________________
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#355054 - 10/01/07 05:36 PM Re: Informative post (pics)............ [Re: Bottomline]
UncleFester UncleFester trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 2244 Loc: Onslow county NC	Thanks Bottomline, in this specific pool I have seen 4 beaver at once, and there were at least 2 more on the big dam about 50 yards up stream. Now what you cant see is the feed bed in the middle of this pool about 15' behind this beaver. They have a couple small Maple trees down and drug into the water that they are eating on. _________________________ "I would rather be a nutjob conservative, than a liberal with no nuts and no job!!!"
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#355080 - 10/01/07 05:53 PM Re: Informative post (pics)............ [Re: UncleFester]
Paul Dobbins Paul Dobbins trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 2876 Loc: Golsboro, North Carolina	I think what y'all will find out is that different beavers repair the dam from different angles. Many times this depends on what the beaver is using for the repair, sometimes its due to varying water amounts passing through the dam, and sometimes its just that different beavers approach differently. I've had dam break sets using a foot hold where I'd catch four in a row with the trap postioned dead-center in front of the break, and the fifth beaver would not work from dead-center. Many times I'd catch this different acting beaver by postioning the trap at the side of the break, rather than dead-center. If the water flow through the break has slowed to a trickle, many times I've found that they bulldoze mud and leaves from the bottom into the break. If the water flow is significant, they seem to push sticks into the sides of the break first, then push the mud and leaves into the break. They are fun to observe. _________________________
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#355114 - 10/01/07 06:30 PM Re: Informative post (pics)............ [Re: Paul Dobbins]
lrjakes lrjakes trapper Registered: 01/03/07 Posts: 1339 Loc: MD 36 years old	They are cool little critters. And fairly tolerant of human spys. one thing to consider is that when they bulldoze, they'll push your trap and all right up into the hole if you set too close. I have come back after setting to find my trap had become part of their dam. At first i thought i had a wiseguy beaver, but more than likely it just got pushed up with the other debris. BTW, I am nooooooo beaver trapper. I am, however, a professional coyote cage trapper. (I jus dont catch a lot!) _________________________ Trampas Para Ratas
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