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#3 Dbls Modifications *Pic Heavy* Pan Tension,Ect. #6504051
03/28/19 11:17 PM
03/28/19 11:17 PM
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Amite county Mississippi
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So bout a bunch of Vicor and Blake & Lamb #3's. Most of them had lam jobs all ready done ,but where missing chains,and of course now way to adjust pan tension. So after a few head aches ,some cutting and some grinding I figured out a pretty good way to revamp the Old long springs.

DISCLAIMER : NO, you do not need to do these mods to catch animals. Heck alot of these still had fur in the jaws when I got them. This is simply or those who wish to.

Under Hump Pan Tension.

So with this method were not really fabbing anything. The base trap by the way is a Victor #3 this. Was already laminated before i got it.
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So first we need to take the pan off. Easiest way I found is to flip the trap upside down. And wedge open the crimp on the pan. Personally I just use a pair of small cutters. Clamp down and twist . A flat head screw driver works too.

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Now put the pan over to the side you'll need it later. Now we gotta got rid of the little bar that the pan crimped too. A hacksaw can work jus fine but I just used a cutting wheel on my grinder. . Takes a whole 30 seconds but try to keep the cut as clean and flush as possible.

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Now we're actually going to need to cut this gap down power on the side opposite of the dog. This is goin to allow the pan to drop all the way down in the orientation we're going to put the pan. The white soap stone mark is where were grinding to. Again just using a cutting wheel to make the main cut.

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And with a little file work after cutting we should have somthing like this.

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Now back to the pan. First we need to close the crimp back.

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Next were gonna weld the seam and grind every thing flush. Do t worry about the hole too much where going to redrill it.

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Last edited by Wolfdog91; 03/29/19 09:56 PM.
Re: Revamping the Old #3 Longspring [Re: Wolfdog91] #6504104
03/29/19 03:40 AM
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Looking good so far wolfdog!


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Re: Revamping the Old #3 Longspring [Re: Wolfdog91] #6504169
03/29/19 07:43 AM
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Dont keep us waiting too long!


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Re: Revamping the Old #3 Longspring [Re: Wolfdog91] #6504172
03/29/19 07:45 AM
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One of these days I guess I am going to have to learn to weld. Looks good so far.

Re: Revamping the Old #3 Longspring [Re: Wolfdog91] #6504828
03/29/19 08:32 PM
03/29/19 08:32 PM
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Amite county Mississippi
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As far as grinding ,for somthing like this I prefer to use a sand paper flap disk. The flap disk takes of metal faster than a belt sander but gives you more control than a straight stone. I keep all my won ones becasue they work amazing for finishing and polishing work !
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Once we get the welds ground down we can re drill the hole. Didn't take a picture of the actual drilling because it's pretty straight foward.i think I used a 3/16ths or a 13/64ths. Once I drill out the hole I go back over real quick with the flap disk or belt sander to get my burrs and make sure the surface is flat. The flatter the surfaces the more even the tension will be .

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While where sanding were also going to take off some metal from the pan shank. Doing this will help ensure the pan will drop 100% down . Hoh can do this with a grinder and flap disk or even a file but my belt sander gives me the snap I like the best . But the way the sander is a 1/2" sander and you can get them at harbor freight for like $35.
The white soap stone mark shows what were taking off for the most part.
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For things like this I just comp my sander in my vice so I can work a little easier.

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And just a comparison between a pan right off the trap and one we modified. Sorry if this dosent quiet show the ending we did to the shank.

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Now that the on is ready I just go ahead and white wheel very thing so it's easier to weld. By the way with a wire wheel on a grinder ,make sure you wear some HEAVY GLOVES AND EYE PROTECTION! Espically with. New wire wheel ! Now you don't need to buff the pan but I do so when I paint them the lettering POPS! Again not need for catching fur but I just love the way it looks lol.

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Now we need to get a nut to make the pan tension system. Is very important to get a nut that's taller than the head of your pan bolt here's an example. By the way I didn't have any #10 brass bolts or nuts so I had to fap some up lol.

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Now to actually weld the nut in place this I how I do it.the nut on the end of the bolt is the one that gets welded on. The other nut is there to for mind of a bipod effect go make sure the other stays straight same with why the pan is on there too. Now I like to get my nut a little outside flush .

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And this is wht you should have after we welded it on.

Re: Revamping the Old #3 Longspring [Re: Wolfdog91] #6504892
03/29/19 09:23 PM
03/29/19 09:23 PM
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Amite county Mississippi
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Sorry again the Wi-Fi is being spotty lol.

Anyhow one we weld our nut into place this is what we should get.

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I know those two welds don't looks like much but if you can do a good tack you should be good. I actually had to re do one and it took about 8 minutes of me trying to beat it off with a hammer and punch to realize yeaaah I better get the cutting disk and grinder out lol.

Now we need to go ahead a drill out the nut so your screw and fit.

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And here we go. Now I used a lock washer to help with slippage, if your using steel nuts and bolts like me I highly reckoned getting lock nuts. Ither wise the on tension seems to back out much easier than compared to a pan system with the rabbit ear connecting and brass.

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Now somthing alot of y'all will like is due to the new pan placement you will automatically get a pan that sits below jaw level. I had a few questions about dogs being too short and I haven't had too many problems with this. That being said you will need to bum the dog up slightly by bending the post foward or back.

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I also squared up the dog and added a long nitelatch.

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Re: Revamping the Old #3 Longspring [Re: Wolfdog91] #6504926
03/29/19 09:51 PM
03/29/19 09:51 PM
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Amite county Mississippi
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Cast jaw :

New is the cast jaw mod. And yes I understand this IS NOT CAST I simply called it that because it looks like cast. Not this isn't needed but if you have some traps with crooked lams like some of these it's can be a good mod. Now this ISN'T somthi g you want with a weak trap.

First I clamp the springs down with a pair of vice grips on each. Next I wire wheel as much rust off as possible ,espically in the seam between the lams and the jaw.

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Mainly what were doing is trying to fill the seam. If done right it should be higher than the jaw and lam surface and should penetrate both. Not it is very important to get good penetration but not to over heat the jaws! So weld a few inches and let it cool down for 30 we ones or so while you brush off the slag. If you do this the springs engaged you have a high possibility of warping the jaws. Also DO NOT QUENCH IN WATER OR OIL it's too can really wrap the jaws. It's better to do two or three traps at a time so you can work on another while one is cooling.

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Now if you wanna off set your traps just weld a bubble in the corner of one jaw at the end of the lam and do the same on the opposite jaw. Connect the weld with the seam weld so when we grind every thing down it will look like one solid piece.
Now once the jaws have cooled ,at least till their I little warm I recommend using a flap disk grind the bulk down. Now you wanna stay on the seam weld till everything stars to blend. Grind everything in solid sweeps to help reduce the chances of low spots.
[Linked Image]

Re: Revamping the Old #3 Longspring [Re: Wolfdog91] #6504935
03/29/19 09:55 PM
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That is good stuff right there. Like your mod pictorials... keep 'em comin'


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Re: Revamping the Old #3 Longspring [Re: Wolfdog91] #6505057
03/29/19 11:08 PM
03/29/19 11:08 PM
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Once it's flushed you should have somthing like this

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Make sure to check your off set from time to time. If it's too much grind a little off the bubble or where it hits on the opposite jaw.

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I ask like to take a little metal off of this are to widen out the trash gap. Only takes a little on wall four. Also I like to take some off the back side to help the springs swivel better.

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Now that that's done I go ahead and round the jaw edges. And for that this little sander is worth every penny ! I can also smooth under the jaws to the point everything is smooth as silk !

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Sorry no picture of the trap we worked on after finding the edges but kers a duke 1 3/4 to show what you can do.

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And just wanna show where I take metal off the back.

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Offset baseplate:

Last thing is gonna be an offset baseplate . If hou prefer to have baseplated long springs. It don't like having sore knees this is somthing you should looks at. I make mine with 20d nails with my trappers bender tool. These give you the side pull torque that your get off of a spring mounted chain but not as extreme and you also get easier setting than a standard base plate.

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And here three of our finished products with a nice fresh paint job !
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Re: Revamping the Old #3 Longspring [Re: Wolfdog91] #6505072
03/29/19 11:21 PM
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Glad to see your up and running missed your posts excellent job


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Re: Revamping the Old #3 Longspring [Re: Wolfdog91] #6505078
03/29/19 11:25 PM
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Great post Wolfdog.

You should contact Sleepy Creek and see about being a trap manufacturer.


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Re: Revamping the Old #3 Longspring [Re: Wolfdog91] #6505097
03/29/19 11:36 PM
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Re: Revamping the Old #3 Longspring [Re: Wolfdog91] #6505167
03/30/19 12:47 AM
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Pretty cool!

Re: Revamping the Old #3 Longspring [Re: DelawareRob] #6505421
03/30/19 11:01 AM
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Amite county Mississippi
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Originally Posted by DelawareRob
Great post Wolfdog.

You should contact Sleepy Creek and see about being a trap manufacturer.

Lol wouldn't be any fun then lol,bit thanks grin

Re: Revamping the Old #3 Longspring [Re: jeff karsten] #6505973
03/30/19 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jeff karsten
Glad to see your up and running missed your posts excellent job

Thank you

Re: Revamping the Old #3 Longspring [Re: Wolfdog91] #6506065
03/30/19 09:29 PM
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Great job work and post lots of time into modifying a trap but you enjoy it so go for it.

Re: Revamping the Old #3 Longspring [Re: Wolfdog91] #6506088
03/30/19 09:47 PM
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Great job now I'm gonna have to do all 4 doz of mine thanks a lot. That is some great work and you probably saved me 400.00 in P-I-T Pans.


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Re: Revamping the Old #3 Longspring [Re: Wolfdog91] #6506094
03/30/19 09:53 PM
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Nice work & thanks for showing. Have you had any issues with nails cracking when making the J hooks ?

Re: Revamping the Old #3 Longspring [Re: Wolfdog91] #6506588
03/31/19 12:26 PM
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Good work wolfdog....Bob Custer top dog offset would work good on your modifications. Just a thought..


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Re: Revamping the Old #3 Longspring [Re: Wolfdog91] #6506638
03/31/19 01:35 PM
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Great work as always now you just have to catch something. LOL


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