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I hope the guilt runs deep. Deep enough to......

Warrior.
Have you EVER caught an insadental you haven't reported? Do you know a fellow trapper/ hunter has done the same?
Did you turn them in?
Yeah, I figgered.

Mistakes happen every day in all of our lives..

My mistakes don't kill children.

We 2A types have it drilled into our heads that we are accountable for every bullet we send downrange.

Five bucks says these murderers walk.

I read that earlier today. Hard to grasp.

Some people just aren't cut out to be cops. That one will have to live with what he has done.

A whole bunch of people.

You can't seriously be comparing this girl being killed to catching an incidental. What is wrong with you?

So you are comparing the murder of an UNARMED Teenage girl to an incidental catch??? WOW!!!

The problem with this logic is you are attempting to transfer how you would feel if you were in their place. But not everyone has your morals and values so it may not affect them at all.

A good example is child molesters have no problem doing what they do, neither do rapist, murders, and others that do horrible things.


I have issues with that like if thinking. You can't count how many people told me just think about what the guy has to live with they killed my son. Hmm how the heck do they know how he would handle it. And it's nothing compared to what he took from my wife, kids and I.
I don't empathize.

The person that kills one of my family members, by accident or incidentally, won't have to worry about how they feel afterwards, no feelings after death
Do not care if in a uniform

10 bucks says you are right.

Ah, they'll get out of it with qualified immunity probably. Seems like that's how most of them get out of deals like this.

You guys do know this isn't current news, right?
Happened in Sept. 2022.

Yep but the videos just released yesterday.

In the articles from 2022 it said they had no idea it was the girl.

Not exactly what the video showed.

From the video it looks as if someone mistook the girl as a perp and had a quick trigger finger. The whole identify the target criteria was thrown out the window. Adrenaline fueled shoot it seems. With the anti cop attitude though this will likely occur more often because the truly qualified folks don't want/need the bad rap but police departments will still have to fill their ranks.

Cameras have spotlighted what has been going on for a very long time. Its not new.

Sad and disturbing LEOs make mistakes and are human, and some are bad apples. Research how many kids are killed with guns left unsecured in homes Who is to blame? or how many military are killed by friendly fire. Big difference between malicious and stress related mishaps and lack of communication.

Hmm, yet look how accurate and controlled a 17 year old kid was after being chased during a riot by felons with guns. He only hit the people threatening him despite the crowds, physical excursion, and fear. He also didn't continue shooting the guy once he stopped advancing and was no longer being a threat.

Kind of puts things in perspective and makes all the excuses look.....

Some people are better than others. Some are worse. Been that way since cavemen and will be that way til the end of mankind.
Warrior and a few others on here are obsessed with cops for some reason-at an unhealthy level perhaps. Maybe theyve been arrested. Maybe they were denied a policing job. Maybe it’s some kind of Freud/sexually frustrated situation thats embarrassing to discuss. Only he and they know for sure.

Maybe by ignoring bad cops they will go away?

A case for non Lethal less Lethal

You need to walk a mile in somebody's shoes before you judge.
Them.

All these experts, yet none are actual LEO’s…very interesting.

I will tell you what I do know Wanna Be. When a civilian shoots somebody that doesn't need killing, even sometimes when they shoot somebody that does, they end up in prison. Why is L.E. treated differently?????

Easy to Monday morning QB any of this stuff.

Think about the video of the kid with the MAGA hat on and a possom grin while the elder Native American man was is in his face. When I first saw the clip, I would have liked to smack the punk for being so disrespectful. Then I saw the entire clip and realized how badly I interpreted the encounter.

I view these clips as no different. Was it as black and white as the video portrays? What was the communication prior to getting on the scene? Unknown occupants who are armed? If they are at fault, I hope they are held accountable, but I would like to ensure that the facts play out before we assume all officers are bad.

The dad who shoots his kid during Spring Gobbler season becuase they split up and he shot at the bush moving doesn't make all of us bad hunters or fathers. The YouTube trapper who didn't anchor his DP correctly and loses a coon and a trap up a tree doesn't make us all bad trappers.

Watching one or 3 dozen videos of someone engaged in the profession doesn't make me assume that everyone is that profession is bad. I don't know how anyone could come to that conclusion.

Danny you will never get through to the boot lickers. Put a uniform on a thug and they gladly bow down, submit, and wouldn't say a thing if there wife and daughters were abused by them.

I have no issue with cops, it's not a job I would want. But many cops today shouldn't be cops.

Probably a case of rushing to judgment in the heat of the moment. All cops should lose their jobs at a minimum. Most are better trained than that, I would hope.

I dont either

I do conclude that LE are not held to the same standard as civilians. I do conclude that LE is trained to ignore and circumnavigate peoples rights. To bring up an old post a LE member was saying pulling someone over for a ball hitch was legal.

Alot of cops watch TV series and movies and think that's how reality should be.

How about the cop that unloads on his own cruiser with a person inside after a acorn falls on the roof.
Talk about being wired too tight.

At least he resigned afterwards. Hopefully he just doesn't jump to another department.

Lots of examples of bad shootings by cops.
We are in a bad place, hard to get decent applicants to be a cop, hard to get rid of bad cops.
Its going to continue to get worse.

I don’t think the LEOs convicted in the George Floyd’s case would agree. Derick Chauvin is serving a 22+ year sentence….last Fall he was stabbed 21 times by another prisoner.

Big brown that was a bs case. Yet things like this will be let go. There are many many more cases of wrong doing that get let go and covered up vs. cops being heald accountable let alone the few that get railroaded.

Heck the female cop that was sleeping with several other cops on the clock not long ago just got a 500 k pay out from the city. O she lost her job but got 10 years of cop pay all at once

Very good insight

Stabbing one another does seem to be a popular pass time in prison.

X3....if they gave out awards for monday morning quarterbacking, several folks on here would be getting the MVP.....

Lugnut mentioned a great YouTube channel a few weeks ago called Police Activity. A huge amount of police shootings and shootings of police are on it. I have watched a huge amount of their videos now. The police do make mistakes, often at their own expense, but by in large they do a good job in terrible situations.

Their channel is:

https://m.youtube.com/@PoliceActivity

Warning, a huge amount of death and serious physical harm is shown, from many different angles. The footage is raw, except that some bodies are blurred.

In my opinion, if you're not sympathetic to the police after watching many of the videos, something is majorly wrong with you.

Keith

Every cop I've met (and I've met hundreds of them) are "2A types" and have "accountability" for every round drilled into their heads from day 1. People screw up, that's what people do, no matter what job they do.

In case you haven't been paying attention, this isn't a time in history to "let cops walk". A big, big feather in any prosecutor's cap to imprison a cop. And they are standing on each other for that chance.

Now back to human's (no matter how good you think you are) screw up at times. But as some like to point out, one mistake, even a much smaller one than this one and we just label them all "Bad cops" because its easy and we don't have to think.

Grind that ax, man, Grind it! Don't fall off that high horse, though. It's a LONG way down.

i'm glad you found it interesting enough to watch bunch Keith. They show the good and the bad shootings, no bias.

It doesn't surprise me that YouTube demonetized their channel.

It's one of my favorite channels.

Watching the violence and the crazies some cops have to deal with give a person a different perspective on the job.

There’s certain folks on here that would definitely vote to defund the police, but would call in a second when they needed them.
LEO’s are humans like every one of us. They aren’t Gods. They aren’t without faults. All they are, are folks who stood up and answered the to serve.
Are mistakes made? Yes!
Will more mistakes be made? Yes!
I’ve said it in every LEO bashing post…why don’t y’all folks step up and join?
It comes down to training. Look at the military for an example. You take guys straight off the street and send them to boot camp, then a school, then to battle…lives are lost and mistakes are made.
Now take the folks who have experience and more/better training…SOF guys. While they still make mistakes and lose their life, it’s at an exponential less rate.
Until you put yourself in their shoes, you’re nothing more than a tabloid. I’d do this, they did this wrong, etc…Most of y’all don’t have a clue other than “think” what you might do. And to be honest, that’s all anyone can honestly say is how they THINK they would react. Until you’ve been is constant situations where that adrenaline is flooding your system you have no clue except to sit back and critique every time a police officer does anything wrong. I’ll say it again, if y’all are such professionals, step up and show us how its done.

And for the record, I don’t have the patience to be an officer. I’m not arguing with an idiot for 10min do get them to do as asked. I’m not chasing someone. And where y’all disagree…I’m going home at the end of my shift. Play stupid games and I’d give you your stupid prize.

Bootlickers

Democrats…

This is what happens to Samali cops that murder white women in Minneapolis:
COP MURDERS WHITE WOMAN

I'm surprised Bluto hasn't weighed in on this thread.

How much time do you have.


You are to the right like Whoopie is to the left.

Point is, we ALL make mistakes.

donut operator is another good youtube channel

Here is the Police Activity YouTube channel release of the video.

The cops who shot the girl screwed up big time.

Well stated. I will add that if that cop feels no remorse, then I hope he enjoys the fire and brimstone where he is headed if he just shrugs it off.

Not sure watching the video what happened was the father shooting at the officers? I know lots of rounds fired and they were in a cross fire. Has it been investigated yet? I have read nothing about if but very sad situation. I know we have been seeing more officers that are vets and have some issues, also a whole different protocol from what they were trained in the military,

Not the first murder I have watched of a person when they were doing exactly what the cop was telling them to do.
At this point I believe not going to the cop as they holler to and laying flat on the ground with arms spread and making them come to you will keep you alive vs doing as they tell you and move to them.

Back the blue until they screw you, end qualify immunity and things will change

Yes, the father was shooting at the cops.

This happened a year and a half ago. I haven't looked for and investigation reports but I would think by now there would have been one.

Here is the description provided by Police Activity below the video:

Hesperia, California — On September 27, 2022, an amber alert out of Fontana was issued for 15-year-old Savannah Graziano. The amber alert was issued out of concern she was taken by her father, 45-year-old Anthony Graziano. Before the amber alert was issued. Graziano killed his Wife outside of a School in Fontana. Graziano also shot at a father and child near the school. The following morning, a 911 caller reported seeing Graziano’s pickup truck and Savannah purchasing items at a gas station. Police soon located Graziano speeding on a nearby freeway, prompting the start of a chaotic chase. When deputies caught up with the vehicle, shots were fired from inside toward police. During the pursuit Graziano attempted to drive up an embankment onto main street, but he lost traction, and the vehicle moved back down the embankment in the direction of I-15. When the pickup truck came to a stop, unarmed Savannah exited from the passenger side as she was wearing tactical gear and a helmet.

The video shows she crouches on the ground for about ten seconds, and then walks toward the nearby deputy who was calling her to his position, followed by a boom that appears to be at least one deputy shooting her, though the department blurred out Savannah at this moment. The deputies were not wearing body cameras, but the department shared audio from the belt of the deputy standing closest to the girl. On the video you can hear a deputy calling her over and telling other deputies that the person who exited the truck was the passenger and for them to stop firing, but it was too late. Deputies immediately began medical aid on Savannah and she was transported to the Hospital where she died of her injuries. Anthony Graziano was pronounced dead at the scene. Multiple firearms were located at the scene including hundreds of rounds of ammunition, flash bang and smoke grenades, as well as body-armor and tactical helmets. Four Sheriff's Department vehicles were struck by gunfire in this incident.

I'm having trouble with the cops in Washington state shooting 3 loose Rottwilers playing in a field, over 50 yards away from anyone nor had they attacked anyone. Then laughing on camera about it. Video on Lackluster Youtube channel. That sheriff has some tough decisions to make.

If 'Bootlicker' means not making broad assumptions based on the limited output that some entity has released for public consumption, drawing a conclusion based upon that limited data, and then formulating an opinion that the broad majority acts with underlying cruel and deceptive practices, then that's probably me 100%.

This whole conversation is kinda like shooting a load of turkey shot at a target, circling the 10% of the outlier pellets and then claiming that the whole load doesn't pattern well even though the center of the target is obliterated.