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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8110277
03/29/24 05:38 AM
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I like the way you think Guss. If we're going to get in a fight, China is the one to fight. After all they did release a virus that killed a bunch of folks, killed an election process, and by fear of the plague killed liberty. Of course they had help from many in the federal bureaucracy of our nation.
As for the ship hitting the bridge though, I'm thinking it was likely an accident.

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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8110344
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Bets on if the new bridge has a new name when it’s up just seems like an opportunity the idiots won’t pass up.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8110351
03/29/24 08:44 AM
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Saw a picture of the crane that's going to start the demo of the bridge. They are going to be there a while.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Law Dog] #8110355
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Bets on if the new bridge has a new name when it’s up just seems like an opportunity the idiots won’t pass up.

Something like the transgenderpridenohumanisillegalclimatechangeisrealtaxtherichturninyourguns bridge?

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: trapdog1] #8110379
03/29/24 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
Originally Posted by Law Dog
Bets on if the new bridge has a new name when it’s up just seems like an opportunity the idiots won’t pass up.

Something like the transgenderpridenohumanisillegalclimatechangeisrealtaxtherichturninyourguns bridge?


I have a name the Trump bridge.
Now doesn't that sound better then Francis Scott key that's to long of a name.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: bucksnbears] #8110383
03/29/24 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by bucksnbears
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It's owned in singerpore not a main city but still red China. It had no crew! I guess it was CC it had 26 aboard and the Dains charter it.

You a retired coal miner? shocked

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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Rat Masterson] #8110385
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Saw a picture of the crane that's going to start the demo of the bridge. They are going to be there a while.


As far as time I heard this morning it could be 5 years, I’m wondering why they don’t use some type of inflation tools to lift the sections of the bridge off to the side, like they do to a ship.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8110388
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I can't fathom why on earth it would take five years. Unless the government is in charge.....

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8110413
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A bridge don't take 5 years to complete! Something wrong Govt waste!

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8110429
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It’s not the whole bridge that’s down unless the whole thing is damaged who knows but imagine the weight and then start multiplying and you might not get close.

If it was copper it would be cleaned up by the meth heads in no time.


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8110474
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The scrap iron bridge was started in 72 and opened in 77.
Hire Mexican non-union workers. They'll work on Sundays.


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: ] #8110497
03/29/24 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by J Staton
I like the way you think Guss. If we're going to get in a fight, China is the one to fight. After all they did release a virus that killed a bunch of folks, killed an election process, and by fear of the plague killed liberty. Of course they had help from many in the federal bureaucracy of our nation.
As for the ship hitting the bridge though, I'm thinking it was likely an accident.

They been doing damage to this country for years.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Gary Benson] #8110502
03/29/24 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
The scrap iron bridge was started in 72 and opened in 77.
Hire Mexican non-union workers. They'll work on Sundays.

Union workers won't work Sunday unless you give them double time.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8110505
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The report that said the ACOE was involved, here comes a goat herders' nightmare.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8110514
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The old, original I-70 bridge over MO River is being replaced. After they built half the new bridge, they diverted all traffic from old bridge to new bridge, then dropped the old bridge in the river. They cut it up with explosive charges. But entire bridge was dropped to the bottom of the river. They had it cleared for river traffic within a week or so. They can do the same thing to that part of the bridge that is blocking the shipping channel. Cut it up into pieces and drag it out of there. That gets the channel open and port back in business.

There was another large bridge down by Norfolk that had to be replaced. They didn't want highway closed for long, so put in a daily bonus for amount of time bridge was down. Faster they got it built, more they got paid. Guy that got the contract built the bridge off site, then floated it into place on barges. Dropped old bridge and raised new one in a matter of weeks, not months or even a year. I heard his bonus was staggering.

If these guys are on the ball, new bridge is being built even now.

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Meanwhile, where is official report as to what went wrong? Has gone quiet.......and looks like it is going to stay that way. Just an unexplained accident. Nothing to see here.......move on.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8110571
03/29/24 02:11 PM
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I would guess that a proper investigation will take a couple years to complete.
So far they really have no information to go on other than the video. They need some data at least about the speed of the ship, its current weight, the angle that it struck the pylon, the electronic logs from the recorders on board that should give some clues as to what happened on board.
I suspect there are multiple contributory causes.

I also think that design of the new bridge could take a couple years. They need to investigate the foundations of the existing pylons and see what the river current may or may not have done to them and use that information to decide on what type of bridge to put back in its place.

Needless to say this can happen a lot faster , cheaper and better if government gets out of the way.


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: jburson] #8110574
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Originally Posted by jburson
First off this is not directed at any one post or person this is just some observations.
I've been sailing 22 years and Hold an unlimited horsepower Chief Engineer License, but I think Ive learned more about shipboard engineering and operations from the internet and YouTube over the last couple days then in that time in training.
Watching the video nothing looked like unusual for the ship loosing power to me. The bridge feel faster then I thought it would but I'm not a structural engineer so I can't really comment on that.
Feel free to PM me or ask any questions
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JD, thanks for your professional input.. The way I understand what I have read........ships using US ports must burn low sulfur diesel while in those ports but then change to bunker crude on exiting those ports.
IF that is correct........could something like that change of fuels contribute to loss of power ? Would that change take place where the Dali was located as they approached the bridge ?

Thanks


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8110584
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Ships close to shore have to burn low sulfur fuel or have exhaust gas scrubbers that scrub out the sulfur. It does not look like that ship had scrubbers running because they form a large steam plume from the water they spray in to the exhaust stream; however if they had lost power the scrubber pumps may not have been restarted and there would not be steam plume. The ship would still be on a low sulfur fuel and would not switch back to heavy fuel until it was well offshore. Engines designed to run on heavy fuels often don't run well on diesel and have less power then when on heavy fuel. I have heard that they fueled in that port so there is a chance that they got a bad batch of fuel and that contributed to blacking out. There are so many things that can cause a ship to black out and loose power it is hard to speculate. Black outs on ships are much more common then most people would think. Until data recorders are looked to see what the problems were (most likely several things were going wrong) any thing is just a wild guess.
Hope this helps

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8110592
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Thank you much for the explanation !


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