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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109315
03/27/24 08:38 PM
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I don't think the pilot did anything deliberate. But the black smoke was there. Depending on what they find out about the fuel and if it was polluted then that leaves me leaning toward suspicious activity toward who ever would have done that and just how that happened.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Gary Benson] #8109320
03/27/24 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Originally Posted by slowpoke
I want to talk to that one survivor, that road that bridge down and swam away ..
What a ride that must have been !!!! One lucky dude !
One report said that he refused treatment…..

That was Boco.

You win. Now we need ask Boco for the latest conspiracy theories.


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109322
03/27/24 08:43 PM
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I have hauled rock on those RR flood jobs. EVERY time weight limits and logs are exempt. Haul as much as you can without any falling off for as many hours as you can stand it.

Funny how that works aint it?


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109326
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PS black smoke from a modern diesel is usually a sign the turbo came unglued and no power


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: danny clifton] #8109337
03/27/24 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
PS black smoke from a modern diesel is usually a sign the turbo came unglued and no power


Thing is , that's when the ship took a hard right , towards the piling.


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109341
03/27/24 08:53 PM
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sometimes, when smog controls are by passed or its exempt, black smoke means the throttle was mashed on


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: danny clifton] #8109342
03/27/24 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I have hauled rock on those RR flood jobs. EVERY time weight limits and logs are exempt. Haul as much as you can without any falling off for as many hours as you can stand it.

Funny how that works aint it?


Exactly! They were parking equipment on privet property without permission. Parking trucks on shoulder of highway for miles.

They only needed about 6 trucks for rock because by the time the last one could dump the first one would be back. But they hired every truck in the area so nobody else could hire truckers to haul rock elsewhere. It was crazy. That river will be ready for shipping traffic in less than a month if they go about it like the RR does.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109344
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Any body with property that has a RR right of way has to give access to the RR. RR is required to fix and or compensate for any damage. Like imminent domain often the recompense gets sorted out by a judge.


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109346
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so nobody else could hire truckers to haul rock elsewhere. It was crazy


they pay double what everybody else does


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109361
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That was no accident that it hit the bridges. The ship company should pay they have deep pockets.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: gcs] #8109366
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Originally Posted by gcs
I heard that someone that lives near the bridge would take 45 minutes longer to get to the next bridge /tunnels.


Well that's like a trip to the nearest McDonalds or Wal-Mart for me so should be no problem


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: danny clifton] #8109646
03/28/24 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Any body with property that has a RR right of way has to give access to the RR. RR is required to fix and or compensate for any damage. Like imminent domain often the recompense gets sorted out by a judge.


Yeah, I actually have property that boarders RR right up to the river bridge and that's how it works here. I was giving bridge inspector a ride to and from bridge on 4 wheeler since road was washed out.

These guys were parking and unloading equipment on privet parking lots in town. A guy who owned a mechanic shop in town showed up for work and had nowhere to park his own car let alone customers. Guy from the RR said "figure out what we owe ya, but this is an emergency and we need the room."

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109652
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What company gonna get the contract to build the bridge. Union or non union union have skilled people in there ranks that do good work. Non union will come in cheaper but in the end it will be more expensive with rework and China pig iron.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: danny clifton] #8109672
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I have hauled rock on those RR flood jobs. EVERY time weight limits and logs are exempt. Haul as much as you can without any falling off for as many hours as you can stand it.

Funny how that works aint it?


yes , and ditto on when it is 30 below and LP drivers are in shortage

Ride that bomb , all night long if you want

wife used to dispatch fuel and LP trucks


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109676
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I'm not an expert but I was reading on another forum that ships burn bunker fuel which is really dirty diesel fuel. The fuel may have been so dirty that the engine stalled. I'm not an authority just something I read.


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Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: run] #8109687
03/28/24 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by run
I'm not an expert but I was reading on another forum that ships burn bunker fuel which is really dirty diesel fuel. The fuel may have been so dirty that the engine stalled. I'm not an authority just something I read.


I have been reading the same thing. It sounds like like its already polluted, lol. They put everything from industrial waste to tar in it. It may have been so thick it stopped up lines or I would think water would be a killer.
The article I read said they burn clean diesel around the ports, then when they get to open sea they pollute away.
In the mean time the government has us commoners riding bicycles and wind up toy cars to stop pollution.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109710
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In my mind, the main problem with all these alternative theories is they fly in the face of the facts of what happened. Boat left harbor with aid of tugs until it got into the shipping channel.......it runs on a single diesel engine, that presumably had started and was running well enough they were willing to put out to sea using it. Then once in the channel, engine had ship making 8 to 9 knots running fair and true down the shipping channel. It maintained that speed and heading......then as it approached the bridge, had momentum and steerage to turn the boat about 15 degrees to starboard, then once on target, aimed right at the pier. The last few hundred yards, it was running straight at it. The chance of all that happening by coincidence owing to chance mechanical failures is preposterous.

What boat also has is 4 onboard diesel generators that provide electrical power. Big ones. Flickering lights and black smoke may have been problems with generator.....but all generators?

And keep in mind, boat normally has a crew of around 20. As far as we know, they all survived and are alive to say what happened. There isn't any reason to speculate as they know what happened. Anybody seen that press conference, cause I haven't. The black box they keep talking about may confirm their story, but their story is their story. They know what happened.

As to the RR, again, this is simply an analogy to make the point that for these types of events, the normal rules go out the window. They do what they got to do to fix it.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109715
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If the ship didn't make a hard left then no damage to the bridge is what I saw on the video.

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109728
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That puff of smoke came from over there on the grassy green knoll !

Re: Francis Scott Bridge collapse [Re: Foxpaw] #8109819
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Too bad Biden wasn'i on that train he claimed to have ridden across that bridge. More B.S.

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