Re: Elm trees
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I have 2 elms on my farm that didn't die when the dutch elm disease came through. They are widely separated and out in the open . One is well over 3 feet , at the butt. the other about 18 inches. old243 Dutch Elm disease is carried by a beetle, this bug does not travel far in its life span. So some isolated elm trees setting alone far from groves of elms have survived.
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Re: Elm trees
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12/10/23 01:18 AM
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How do you guys like elm vs oak for firewood? I really like Elm for firewood. Much of which is due to it standing for a long time when dead and losing all it's bark in the process. Let it shed it's bark and you have bone dry wood without the mess. It rarely falls to the ground, soaking up moisture. It doesn't split real easily though. Not something you want to split with an axe.
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Re: Elm trees
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12/10/23 10:54 PM
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I have 2 elms on my farm that didn't die when the dutch elm disease came through. They are widely separated and out in the open . One is well over 3 feet , at the butt. the other about 18 inches. old243 Dutch Elm disease is carried by a beetle, this bug does not travel far in its life span. So some isolated elm trees setting alone far from groves of elms have survived. wrong answer above there are two species of Elm bark beetles, the western species flies many miles in dispersal so disease can spread fast as it did once it got to the Minn boarder it was rapid in the 1970's the Eastern species can fly on certain conditions but maybe 5 miles
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Re: Elm trees
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12/11/23 12:14 AM
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We have a lot of the Chinese elm trees in our area. They make me hate the word elm. I love dead elm and ash but I have a boiler to feed they are never ending here always a few dying in every tree belt.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: Elm trees
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12/11/23 12:23 AM
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How do you guys like elm vs oak for firewood? I really like Elm for firewood. Much of which is due to it standing for a long time when dead and losing all it's bark in the process. Let it shed it's bark and you have bone dry wood without the mess. It rarely falls to the ground, soaking up moisture. It doesn't split real easily though. Not something you want to split with an axe. Elm is abundant here and like Calvin said the seasoned on the stump stuff is ready to burn or will be sooner than other trees. A splitter is a must on the big stuff I take it no matter how big it is just hauled the 3 bottom rounds off a 36” stump. If it clunks like a bowling pin sound that’s some good elm to burn. The down side it leaves a lot of ash.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: Elm trees
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12/11/23 05:25 PM
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It's a Bear to split and it stinks when burning!
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Re: Elm trees
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I've seen some places this year where Elm trees are being sold. Maybe I'm missing something but with dutch elm disease it doesn't seem like it'd be worth planting elm trees You can google these names for pictures of these trees. I planted the Prairie Expedition and they look good. It did well in the testing to see if they could kill it with various levels injected fungus. The following are all American Elms. * Princeton – Selected in 1922. Vigorous growth rate with very upright form. Available in most garden centers and also through mail-order. * Prairie Expedition – A 2004 North Dakota State University selection. Classic vase-shaped American elm with outstanding autumn gold color. Winter hardy to USDA zone 3. * New Harmony – A USDA selection that appears to have superior form when compared to Princeton and Valley Forge. * St. Croix – Selected by Mark Stennes from a massive parent tree in Afton, MN, this elm joins the ranks of Dutch elm disease-resistant elms with a Minnesota twist. Extension.umn.edu has good background info on Elm trees that have resistance to Dutch Elm Disease (fungus) carried by Beatles. The Arboretum in MLPS has planted most of the resistant varieties and are watching them.
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Re: Elm trees
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12/13/23 01:05 AM
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It’s better than cottonwood that stinks, won’t last as long and does not put out the heat elm will.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: Elm trees
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12/13/23 06:19 PM
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Red elm splits great and burns awesome. American elms burns alright, but splitting can be about impossible without a splitter and a hatchet to cut the strings.
American elm bark can be used for a lot of utilitarian things like canoes, buckets, ladles, and roofing materials.
Red elm bark is not too good for utilitarian stuff because it splits (like the wood). Red elm bark is a decent food though, some trees have inner bark that is like eating bamboo shoots, but some has fiber that has to be spit out after chewing the “meat” out. Red elm fiber, after retting, is very soft and in the days of tumplines it was a preferred fiber for making them.
I often mark elm trees for bark harvest, and when I come across one big enough for a canoe I give it a GPS but do not mark it for harvest. This is so I always have some pre-marked for canoe projects. I have one 50 acre parcel where there are over a dozen that are too big to touch fingers around - all healthy. Lots of dead ones in there also, but those particular old ones aren’t dying for some reason. At least not yet.
I have seen a rock elm (U. Thomasii) that was only 12” diameter over 80 years old. And it was alive and healthy when peeled and then cut for firewood.
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