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400,000 dead in Ukraine #8078280
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According to Tucker...yes or no?
Sure don't hear about it anymore.


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Re: 400,000 dead in Ukraine [Re: Gary Benson] #8078287
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Hard to say. In war both sides will tend to over report the other sides casualties/losses and underreport their own. One thing I think we can say for sure is that both sides are getting mauled & we should be thankful the US involvement has been so far limited to money & weapons. No troops, at least not publicly or at a level beyond advisor status. Hopefully it stays that way.

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What a waste. U.S funded this meat grinder and for what?

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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
What a waste. U.S funded this meat grinder and for what?


So the Big Man can get his 15%.


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Re: 400,000 dead in Ukraine [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8078327
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It's very difficult to say whether funding a war without involving your own troops is a good idea or not, just like it's often hard to say if a given war is truly worthwhile or not. In general, if you're going to be involved in a war and it's possible to get similar results by funding someone else's army without inserting your own then that is probably better. For your country at least. The difficulty is knowing if your country should be involved at all. I think we could agree that at the start of WW2 if it had been possible for the USA to arm Poland and France, and by so doing enable them to fight Hitler on their own without the involvement of US troops then that would have been better for American than our army having to fight Hitler themselves the way we did eventually after he conquered Poland and france. It's possible that's exactly what is happening by the US funding Ukraine now. It's very possible that has Putin succeeded in taking Ukraine quickly and easily that he would simply have moved on to the next target. On the other hand, maybe he wouldn't. There just isn't a good way to know how the what ifs would play out.

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Re: 400,000 dead in Ukraine [Re: Scout1] #8078354
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Originally Posted by Scout1
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
What a waste. U.S funded this meat grinder and for what?


So the Big Man can get his 15%.



Better then our guys carrying their water that’s one good thing about it.


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Re: 400,000 dead in Ukraine [Re: Gary Benson] #8078360
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Seth that is the most common sense thing I have read on here for weeks. How anybody could have a strong opinion on this is beyond me. Unless you can tell the future nobody has any idea what the right thing to do is. I've listened to podcasts both for funding the war and against any involvement. All made good points but again, who is right.

Re: 400,000 dead in Ukraine [Re: Gary Benson] #8078401
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Hoosier 71 we should secure our borders and fix our infrastructure, pay off our debt ECT before throwing the cash at this. My .03. Inflation and all.

Re: 400,000 dead in Ukraine [Re: Gary Benson] #8078413
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The Ukraine is a strange war.
We only hear bits and pieces about it.
Russia killing civilians or Ukrainians killing Russians.
Same with the war in Gaza !
Seems only news we get is news to divide opinion.


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I'm of the opinion that helping Ukraine stand up to a bully is morally the right thing to be doing.


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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I'm of the opinion that helping Ukraine stand up to a bully is morally the right thing to be doing.



The one payment of 87 billion could have given every American adult 2million dollars and still had 86 billion left. That's only one payment that went to them.

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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I'm of the opinion that helping Ukraine stand up to a bully is morally the right thing to be doing.


It appears to me that we’re only paying for a meat grinder, average age in their forces is 43… they’re out of 18+ year olds. You ready to fight?


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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I'm of the opinion that helping Ukraine stand up to a bully is morally the right thing to be doing.



The one payment of 87 billion could have given every American adult 2million dollars and still had 86 billion left. That's only one payment that went to them.


I think your math is off.


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Re: 400,000 dead in Ukraine [Re: Providence Farm] #8078423
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I'm of the opinion that helping Ukraine stand up to a bully is morally the right thing to be doing.



The one payment of 87 billion could have given every American adult 2million dollars and still had 86 billion left. That's only one payment that went to them.


I get the gist of what you're saying but your math is wrong. To give 2 million to each of the 258 million adults in America would require 516 trillion.

87 billion divided between the adult population of the US would be $337.


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Re: 400,000 dead in Ukraine [Re: Gary Benson] #8078426
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It's a war that should never of been.
But it was set up at least 12 years ago.


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Re: 400,000 dead in Ukraine [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #8078432
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Originally Posted by Ohio Wolverine
The Ukraine is a strange war.
We only hear bits and pieces about it.
Russia killing civilians or Ukrainians killing Russians.
Same with the war in Gaza !
Seems only news we get is news to divide opinion.

We've seen more footage out of the gaza/hamas conflict or gang bang shootings that we have out of the russo-ukraine war. I guess we dont have embedded war journalists anymore.

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Knowing of what was on Hunter's laptop should give a strong indication that neither our blood nor treasure should be involved in this conflict. That's not even considering the refusal of .gov to secure our borders.

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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I'm of the opinion that helping Ukraine stand up to a bully is morally the right thing to be doing.

Great theory, if only that is what we were actually doing. What we are doing is making rich corrupt politicians and war mongers even richer. It's a big joke, and the joke is on us.

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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I'm of the opinion that helping Ukraine stand up to a bully is morally the right thing to be doing.


Think about the hundreds of thousands of people that would still be alive if we hadn't provided more than 100 billion dollars to prolong the war.

Think about the amount of good that money could do right here in the USA.


Eh...wot?

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We need a president that wants to extract the U.S. from foreign entanglements. The problem is money. Even more than the narcotics trade.


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Re: 400,000 dead in Ukraine [Re: Gary Benson] #8078511
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
According to Tucker...yes or no?
Sure don't hear about it anymore.

It's higher than that.


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Let's look at some of the results of the U.S actions

Stronger north Korea with a new Russian ally
Brics nations banding together to try and knock the dollar off as the dominate payment
EU farmers going broke due to flooding the countries with cheap Ukraine goods.
Cost atleast 75 billion from U.S alone
Russia further beholden to the real threat to the west, China
400,000+ dead

Someone tell me the positives.

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I’ve heard lots of estimates around 500,000 casualties. Not sure the total deaths, but an entire generation of young men is gone.


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Right, or wrong notwithstanding in helping fund that war, I get a kick out of the comments that the money could have done so much here for Americans and the border situation. Sure it would, but does anyone really think It ever would have been spent for the benefit of this country?

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Originally Posted by gcs
Right, or wrong notwithstanding in helping fund that war, I get a kick out of the comments that the money could have done so much here for Americans and the border situation. Sure it would, but does anyone really think It ever would have been spent for the benefit of this country?

Of course not, but it's nice to think about what could be done if that money wasn't going into politician's pockets.

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I'd like to see Ukraine regain their territory, but I doubt they can...not matter how much money we throw at them.

It's starting to look like a negotiated settlement is the best option, but the globalists likely will not allow it.

As far as the number of dead, there's no way to know for sure. It's definitely a bloodbath and both countries are going to suffer the effects for years to come.

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Originally Posted by gcs
Right, or wrong notwithstanding in helping fund that war, I get a kick out of the comments that the money could have done so much here for Americans and the border situation. Sure it would, but does anyone really think It ever would have been spent for the benefit of this country?

Brilliant comment!


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I wouldn't believe everything that comes out of tuckers mouth, he has his own agenda whatever that happens to be.

Money spent on weapons went right back into defence contractors in this country.

The CIA installed Zelensky.

The CIA tried to prevent Trump from being elected in 16.

The Russian army is incompetent and working with inferior equipment.

Who is really pulling the strings in this world?

It's not who we think.

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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Let's look at some of the results of the U.S actions

Stronger north Korea with a new Russian ally
Brics nations banding together to try and knock the dollar off as the dominate payment
EU farmers going broke due to flooding the countries with cheap Ukraine goods.
Cost atleast 75 billion from U.S alone
Russia further beholden to the real threat to the west, China
400,000+ dead

Someone tell me the positives.

Texas exports of lng to europe up 300 percent.


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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Let's look at some of the results of the U.S actions

Stronger north Korea with a new Russian ally
Brics nations banding together to try and knock the dollar off as the dominate payment
EU farmers going broke due to flooding the countries with cheap Ukraine goods.
Cost atleast 75 billion from U.S alone
Russia further beholden to the real threat to the west, China
400,000+ dead

Someone tell me the positives.

Texas exports of lng to europe up 300 percent.


As long as oil corporations profit what's 400,000+ lives.

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Don't ask a question, if you don't want an answer.


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The House needs to stand firm and not give another cent to Ukraine unless our borders are shut down first. That's a greater problem than worrying about the war in Ukraine.


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Originally Posted by Dirt
Don't ask a question, if you don't want an answer.

I don't see how exporting a valuable and limited resource is a good thing long term. Yes, short term it boost TX oil producers profits, may as well invade Iraq again if that's the purpose of funding the meat grinder

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I’ve seen that 400 thousand number tossed around for the Uks for awhile now. Saw a u-tube vid just this morning that the russians have lost about the same number. 800 thousand souls gone for nothing! And joe won’t even talk to putin about peace…..too much evil in this world!


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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by Dirt
Don't ask a question, if you don't want an answer.

I don't see how exporting a valuable and limited resource is a good thing long term.


I think it's a good thing. Pay me a sweet dividend every 3 months. Also, it's not really limited. We can sell it or flare it off.

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Yet even our enemies feared Trump then Demented Joe comes in and FUNDS these wars through our enemies.


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