Photo Phriday 122 Yellowjacket Populations
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I scratched my head over many years on this one. In interior Alaska, some summers were fantastically high yellowjacket years, other years you'd never see one. Why? Well, I was snap-trapping voles for many years, trying to get a handle on owl and marten food. I noticed a crash in voles led to the next summer being a banner yellowjacket year. The vole crashes (mostly red-backed voles) coincided with chinooks (warm February or March winds). I surmised that the voles would get wet during these chinooks, and when sub-freezing temperatures returned (which they always did), the voles succumbed to the elements.There were wild swings in the vole population, dropping or rising 40 times from year to year. I further looked at yellowjacket "cycles". On years that we had drastic chinooks and the vole populations crashed, we would have tremendous summer populations of yellowjackets and bald-faced hornets. It all made sense, when you considered that the voles, all winter long, are sub-nivean (beneath the snow) in the leaf litter and duff, eating over-wintering yellowjackets. With no voles around, many more overwintering yellowjackets survive to produce the eggs and the yellowjacket populations increase. It all made perfect sense. Yellowjacket nests were most-often in trees. Some nests were on rock cliffs, while some were ground-nests. Red-backed voles were typical over-wintering yellowjacket predators. I snap-trapped thousands of voles to monitor populations levels of marten prey.
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Re: Photo Phriday 122 Yellowjacket Populations
[Re: white marlin]
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that is very interesting, Jack!
Thank you for sharing your hard-won (and very thoughtful!) insights!
[I've suddenly become a big Vole fan!] white marlin - I, too, am a big vole fan. There's about 6 species that are very important prey items for the marten in Alaska, foremost of which is the red-backed vole. It's what's for dinner! Jack
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Re: Photo Phriday 122 Yellowjacket Populations
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UGH..... if I could blink and make things disappear....those and Baldies. They kill honeybees. My favorite insect.
I feel the same way. A couple of years ago , there was a honeybee in the place I work. It was buzzing around the windows to get out. My co-worker thought I was nuts because I very carefully caught it alive with a cup and a piece of paper , then took it outside. If it was a yellow jacket it would have been dead. Great write-up , Jack. Kudos.
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Re: Photo Phriday 122 Yellowjacket Populations
[Re: Gulo]
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People are sometimes not aware that yellowjackets produce viable queens that are the ones that overwinter and keep the species going. All the workers die out late each year.
I like your hypothesis Jack. It must be very satisfying to se put the pieces of the puzzle together like that.
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Re: Photo Phriday 122 Yellowjacket Populations
[Re: Gulo]
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02/09/24 12:58 PM
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I always thought the big hanging nests were paper wasps. I don't think I have ever seen a bald faced hornet nest, we don't have a large population of them. I have found I can mostly eliminate yellow jackets by heavily trapping the queens when they appear in the spring, a wet spring seems to affect them also. I always enjoy your posts Jack.
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Re: Photo Phriday 122 Yellowjacket Populations
[Re: Gulo]
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Jack , studies on Wis martens found the red back vole to be a preferred lunch if available. Studies show areas of high population of red back voles in marten territores carry martens
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Re: Photo Phriday 122 Yellowjacket Populations
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The paper nesting and ground nesting yellowjackets are different species.
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Re: Photo Phriday 122 Yellowjacket Populations
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Very interesting..."here", I've never seen an above ground yellow jacket nest, all are under ground, The hornets build those paper nests in trees and shrubs... My experience as well. Ground nests for yellow jackets here. The paper nests are bald faced hornets and the yellow European hornets nest in hollow trees.
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Re: Photo Phriday 122 Yellowjacket Populations
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Interesting since hornets and wasps make themselves known i've noticed in wet years hanging nests Dry years ground nests by both jackets and baldies And after a mild winter like we are having now an uptick in bugs of all kinds specifically ticks wasps and hornets
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Re: Photo Phriday 122 Yellowjacket Populations
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Interesting since hornets and wasps make themselves known i've noticed in wet years hanging nests Dry years ground nests by both jackets and baldies And after a mild winter like we are having now an uptick in bugs of all kinds specifically ticks wasps and hornets Very interesting, Jeff. I'll be watching this closely. We had an "average" summer in 2023 (12 inches annually). Yellowjackets were way down. We've had several "dry" years before that (2018-2022) and yellowjackets much more common.
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Re: Photo Phriday 122 Yellowjacket Populations
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In interior Alaska, both Vespula and Dolichovespula seem to prefer aerial paper nests. I've never seen a bald-faced hornet (Dolichovespula) nest in the ground. but plenty of yellowjackets (Vespula). Most common yellowjacket is probably V. norvegicus.
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Re: Photo Phriday 122 Yellowjacket Populations
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One of my older brothers worked for Massachussets Parks and Recreation for a summer on their yellowjacket eradication team. Of all the baits tunafish was by far the best. The oilier the better.
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Re: Photo Phriday 122 Yellowjacket Populations
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Very interesting..."here", I've never seen an above ground yellow jacket nest, all are under ground, The hornets build those paper nests in trees and shrubs... that's been my experience in Pennsylvania.
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Re: Photo Phriday 122 Yellowjacket Populations
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Among the most serious riding I've evah done was with a friend on her horses, she has a bad habit of wanting to short cut and bushwhack off trail up the sides of mountains.
After a short cut , we came down the slope onto an old logging road. We stopped at the edge for a rest. Her horse backed up a few steps and put his draft horse extra large 9 shoe right on top of a Yellow jacket nest in the ground. We didn't know it at first. They boiled out of the hole as soon as he lifted his hoof a little , and stung him on the back leg. The look on his face was priceless. He raised his big neck and stamped hard with that leg from the sting. Of course, he stomped right through the ground surface and down inches into the nest further.
When we realized the mayhem , we took off dead run. Being moderately allergic to hornets, I stuck to my saddle like superglue. The horse I was on, was new to me, and I just hope she wouldn't buck as she ran. She didn't. But my friend's draft was bucking high, wide and mighty every leap he took , lol . My friend rode that out.
The swarm followed us for some yards before they stopped.
It reminded me of Trapstickman's cartoon of him running in the hornet swarm, lol.
Hate it when that happens ....
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Re: Photo Phriday 122 Yellowjacket Populations
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I have no love for the Bald Face hornets.
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Re: Photo Phriday 122 Yellowjacket Populations
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Rootok Island had more voles than I ever saw any where. We never saw any sign that the inbred fox were feeding on them. We caught them by hand and in minnow traps making trail sets. There was vole trails everywhere. We put out different baits and they never ate any of it. Peanuts, and chips they had no interest in. It seems like they were red backs. I was on about 25 different islands and it was the only island I saw them on.
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Re: Photo Phriday 122 Yellowjacket Populations
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Always nice to learn one more thing about the natural world that we live in. X 1000
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Re: Photo Phriday 122 Yellowjacket Populations
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I never knew how many different varieties of yellow jackets there are. Here we find them in the ground mostly, but often in paper nests on trees. I have found, the hard way, one hornet nest in the ground. Most of them in the trees. Late summer and early fall, the yellow jackets always seem whizzed off. Growing up, if we found a hornet, yellow jacket, or wasp nest, we suffered knocking them down to get the larva for fish bait. I would about have a tooth pulled than be stung by a bald faced hornet. There is a guy on youtube with good videos digging up nest with shop vacs. Of course he has a suit on. Great post Gulo.
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Re: Photo Phriday 122 Yellowjacket Populations
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Among the most serious riding I've evah done was with a friend on her horses, she has a bad habit of wanting to short cut and bushwhack off trail up the sides of mountains.
After a short cut , we came down the slope onto an old logging road. We stopped at the edge for a rest. Her horse backed up a few steps and put his draft horse extra large 9 shoe right on top of a Yellow jacket nest in the ground. We didn't know it at first. They boiled out of the hole as soon as he lifted his hoof a little , and stung him on the back leg. The look on his face was priceless. He raised his big neck and stamped hard with that leg from the sting. Of course, he stomped right through the ground surface and down inches into the nest further.
When we realized the mayhem , we took off dead run. Being moderately allergic to hornets, I stuck to my saddle like superglue. The horse I was on, was new to me, and I just hope she wouldn't buck as she ran. She didn't. But my friend's draft was bucking high, wide and mighty every leap he took , lol . My friend rode that out.
The swarm followed us for some yards before they stopped.
It reminded me of Trapstickman's cartoon of him running in the hornet swarm, lol.
Hate it when that happens .... What a horrible experience ...until later Awesome post Gulo
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