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Question for Beaver Experts #8067352
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For those that have extensive first-hand field knowledge/experience on beaver population dynamics:

When beaver reach the age when they leave the colony where they were born, do you see more lone females (than lone males) setting up in new areas, ie building dens/lodges and conducting water control by herself? Often times these "new" locations are a long way (miles) from any other beaver.

I've noticed that at several new beaver nuisance locations that I'm encountering a female and no male. Landowners say beaver(s) only been there about a year. I trap that female and there are no other beaver there. Dam breach = water drains out. No sign of another beaver.

Of late, single beaver situations like this are nearly always a female. Some I caught have had kits (they have 1 to 3 dry udders), but most have not.

What am I observing here. Primary female dispersal? Is she the one that leaves the colony and a male eventually finds her?

Just curious...because this is definitely noticeable.


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Re: Question for Beaver Experts [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8067373
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One thought that comes to mind if your seeing it this time of year, is the male went on a walk or swim about for breeding season. May have got in a fight with another beaver and got killed, hit on a road, or found by another predator. Maybe the bred female needed a place to call home.


My experience in MN…
Almost no suitable areas here that haven’t been occupied recently by beavers….so it may be a different scenario. And we don’t have open water for breeding season, so that is another variable I do not know.

Almost all new colonies are a pair of beaver.
Many places that have been trapped, the adult female is the hardest to trap, and often left behind by the initial trappers. Places where an adult female is left always has a new male move in the following year.
Areas that have been active for years and have been trapped and only have a single beaver that hasn’t attracted a mate is often a male. Kill that lone male and a new pair will move in.


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Re: Question for Beaver Experts [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8067385
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3 years ago something in the southern beaver world changed and i don't have a clue what it was. They act as goofy now in Jan. as they do in June! So who know's with your's, maybe they are living 'alternative' lifestyles.


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Re: Question for Beaver Experts [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8067387
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I have wondered why the adult female is often the last one that is caught. I do not know why.

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Re: Question for Beaver Experts [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8067395
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My experience mimics Mike's. (in MN).

Re: Question for Beaver Experts [Re: Mike Kelly] #8067429
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Originally Posted by Mike Kelly
One thought that comes to mind if your seeing it this time of year, is the male went on a walk or swim about for breeding season. May have got in a fight with another beaver and got killed, hit on a road, or found by another predator. Maybe the bred female needed a place to call home.


My experience in MN…
Almost no suitable areas here that haven’t been occupied recently by beavers….so it may be a different scenario. And we don’t have open water for breeding season, so that is another variable I do not know.

Almost all new colonies are a pair of beaver.
Many places that have been trapped, the adult female is the hardest to trap, and often left behind by the initial trappers. Places where an adult female is left always has a new male move in the following year.
Areas that have been active for years and have been trapped and only have a single beaver that hasn’t attracted a mate is often a male. Kill that lone male and a new pair will move in.

I find an adult pair at many locations too amd you may be correct about the missing male. But, it sure seems to be happening in a lot of these areas here.

How and when did that pair of new beavers get there? Female get there 1st by selecting that area and set up house and a male found her? Or did the male arrive and 1st (choosing that location) and along comes a female? Or did they travel together once they met up and set up shop together.


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Re: Question for Beaver Experts [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8067441
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During the 30 years of full time beaver trapping in NC, I've only encountered sites with a single female less than 10 times. I usually encountered two year old pairs more than anything else. This was after I cleaned out the original colonies. Sounds like you've got a strange phenomenon there Mr. Dupree.



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Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins
During the 30 years of full time beaver trapping in NC, I've only encountered sites with a single female less than 10 times. I usually encountered two year old pairs more than anything else. This was after I cleaned out the original colonies. Sounds like you've got a strange phenomenon there Mr. Dupree.

It is strange for sure Paul. Because I'm trapping so many different locations at once across a 50 to 60 mile radius I've noticed this.

I've already seen more than 10 instances of this in past several months. Granted some of the locations may be a deceased male and others I may be missing the male that has just spooked away from the control area.


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Re: Question for Beaver Experts [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8067454
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I had a call last summer that beaver were plugging a culvert. The first year I trapped it I took a pair and four kits. I had trapped the same place three or four years in a row with just a pair of two year old's, one male one female after that. I go in and set a choke spot and have a two year old male the next day. Reset it and no sign for a week and looked area over pretty well. I tell the land owner to call if he sees anything. He calls about two and a half months later and says a beaver is plugging the culvert again. I go set it up and have a male two year old the next morning then no sign again. The land owner says Yea I knew there was a pair. I never did tell him they were both males.


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Re: Question for Beaver Experts [Re: Mike Kelly] #8067455
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Originally Posted by Mike Kelly
One thought that comes to mind if your seeing it this time of year, is the male went on a walk or swim about for breeding season. May have got in a fight with another beaver and got killed, hit on a road, or found by another predator. Maybe the bred female needed a place to call home.


My experience in MN…
Almost no suitable areas here that haven’t been occupied recently by beavers….so it may be a different scenario. And we don’t have open water for breeding season, so that is another variable I do not know.

Almost all new colonies are a pair of beaver.
Many places that have been trapped, the adult female is the hardest to trap, and often left behind by the initial trappers. Places where an adult female is left always has a new male move in the following year.
Areas that have been active for years and have been trapped and only have a single beaver that hasn’t attracted a mate is often a male. Kill that lone male and a new pair will move in.

Pretty much the same here as far as beaver pairs setting up shop. One exception is that fairly often I will see entire colonies make a move in the spring. River beaver will leapfrog up or downstream to better food sources (usually less than a 1/4 mile), Pond beavers will move to adjacent ponds. If we have a very dry summer, colonies will move surprising distances to find water before freeze up.

Re: Question for Beaver Experts [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8067474
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I've always read and heard the typical beaver dispersal theories....2 year olds leave the colony...new pair moves in to depleted colony or new area....beaver disperse in fall....etc.

But, there are some gaps in some of this "common" beaver knowledge based on things I see.

I see dispersal during high water events....no matter the season. Ease of travel likely enables this. Other times of year...no dispersal...they'll live tight with one another....

Water availability controls the show.

Have caught up to 3 nursing females in same headwaters pond of only 4 or 5 acres in a few days time.

This lone adult female beaver thing has me puzzled.

I still like to catch the brood female 1st or quickly. But, here lately, not sure if there's only 1 or several breeding females there.


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Re: Question for Beaver Experts [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8067483
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
I've always read and heard the typical beaver dispersal theories....2 year olds leave the colony...new pair moves in to depleted colony or new area....beaver disperse in fall....etc.

But, there are some gaps in some of this "common" beaver knowledge based on things I see.

I see dispersal during high water events....no matter the season. Ease of travel likely enables this. Other times of year...no dispersal...they'll live tight with one another....

Water availability controls the show.

Have caught up to 3 nursing females in same headwaters pond of only 4 or 5 acres in a few days time.

This lone adult female beaver thing has me puzzled.

I still like to catch the brood female 1st or quickly. But, here lately, not sure if there's only 1 or several breeding females there.



After a hurricane, I had beavers in places they have never been. They definitely move when flooded, and also move during droughts.

I have also caught as many as four lactating female beavers in the same colony. I've also caught as many as 9 adult male beavers plus 8 adult female beavers from one site, and they were all adults and not bit up. There were some strange anomalies I encountered during my beaver'n career.



Re: Question for Beaver Experts [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8067489
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Recently, I caught 2 very large males from the same lodge. Very unusual. When skinning I found the one male had damaged genitalia. I think he was just treated as a neutral member of the colony. More common to find multiple breeding age females.

Re: Question for Beaver Experts [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8067555
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I don't know much but what I do know is there is no set rules.

Trapping though the ice, on many occasions I will catch multiple adult beaver around the same feed bed.

Once location that comes to mind this winter was a pond that was less than 5 acres, I caught three beaver that were over 50 lbs and 5 yoy.

Another location that I am still trapping that is on a somewhat large lake there are 5 colonies, one colony I have caught 4 adult beaver, another 2 adult beaver, another 3 adult beaver, 4 adults and 2 2 year olds at number four and at the final colony one adult.

The most I can think of out of one colony is 6 adults.

I don't keep track of sex so I can not say if they are male or female.


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If you talk to a field biologist they generally stick to the simple rule of thumb (adults, 2 year-olds, and pups). Trappers dig a little deeper and find out that it's more complex than biology 101. Lots of variables.

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I see a good mix of single females and males. The majority of new arrivals are pairs, with maybe 3 or 4 pairs for every single that moves in. But that single can be either male or female. Although I would have to really crunch records’ numbers to figure it out, it seems like I see more single males than females. I did have 4 big females over 45 pounds at one location within a week this past fall, only one had teats from young the past summer.
I’ve been saying for several years that one of the unique challenges to doing beaver nuisance work is that compared to other animals, there is quite a bit of behavioral variation with individual beavers. There are most definitely general “standards” of behavior, but about one in 5 or 10 individuals acts very different for whatever reason. At least that’s how it seems around here. As a fur trapper, I never even knew because those were just left while I looked for fresh colonies. Now that I have to get those individuals I have realized it.

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If you talk to a field biologist they generally stick to the simple rule of thumb (adults, 2 year-olds, and pups). Trappers dig a little deeper and find out that it's more complex than biology 101. Lots of variables.

That is a very good thing to remember. I deal with elm trees a lot, and if you ask a forester or botanist they say there are three species of elms around here. But to me there are 6, because there are 6 distinct types of bark on those three species and each has unique characteristics and works differently. Anytime you are working with a natural resource daily, you start to see local trends and differences from the norms or generally accepted “truths”.


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Seen same thing as you and Paul, took 6 prego females out of one pond , took 7 out of another spot years later. The 6 i skinned and put up, like paul said, no bite marks nothing. When asked how many ya think are in there from land owners my answer is always somewhere between 2 and 20, lol. Just took 12 out of a mudhole id not think had 2 in it and bad thing is im not done yet.

But your single white female deal, ive not ran into that. I have ran into a big whale of a old female and catch one little dinky male i thought was her offspring several times and that be it. Reality is the little male was probably her mate.

In the south about EVERYTHING the biologist wrote about beaver's isn't correct, they pretty much do what they want to down here when ever they decide to do it. No rhyme or reason to most of it.


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Re: Question for Beaver Experts [Re: Mike Kelly] #8067651
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Originally Posted by Mike Kelly
One thought that comes to mind if your seeing it this time of year, is the male went on a walk or swim about for breeding season. May have got in a fight with another beaver and got killed, hit on a road, or found by another predator. Maybe the bred female needed a place to call home.


My experience in MN…
Almost no suitable areas here that haven’t been occupied recently by beavers….so it may be a different scenario. And we don’t have open water for breeding season, so that is another variable I do not know.

Almost all new colonies are a pair of beaver.
Many places that have been trapped, the adult female is the hardest to trap, and often left behind by the initial trappers. Places where an adult female is left always has a new male move in the following year.
Areas that have been active for years and have been trapped and only have a single beaver that hasn’t attracted a mate is often a male. Kill that lone male and a new pair will move in.

Yep this is a lot of what I see also. But have found in the last couple of falls that when a pond dries up I end up getting possibly 2 pair of beaver in a pond. 2 lodges also. So I wonder if in the fall if the original male doesn't do any chasing that time of the year. This past fall in one experience was 2 lodges a short distance apart. I set and caught 2 big males and 1 big female. That seemed to be all that was there. I think the reason the female is the last to catch because she don't travel to far from the lodge especially in the spring. If I catch her it usually means I am done.

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Maybe a feminist beaver has influenced the tribe and you have a bunch of independent self sufficient beaver?
In all seriousness I'm no expert on beaver.
But when we would have a red fox explosion after a crash the littler sizes would increase and the female To males ratio would increase. The opposite would happen when the population was waning.
In the high population sometimes a den may have 2 adult nursing females and one dog.
Many times a yearling dry female also..
Could it be posable you have an unusual high population of the woman's with fewer men to Bread .
And nature causing a low birth rate to reduce populations. .
It would be interesting to know if the kit #s are more boys.
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That is odd on the single female. Can't say I've ever ran into that. The multiple female thing is becoming quite common it seems. I wonder if nowadays since trapping is more for nuisance than fur, especially in the south, if nature is producing more females than males, one male can breed multiple females, to account for the endless pursuit of them? Although this would go against the narrative of monogamy amongst beavers. I wonder if boco runs into this since he still is able to manage his line.

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Re: Question for Beaver Experts [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8067693
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Giant Sage/Rich, I guess the only difference would be that in some cases as mentioned SOME of these colonies of beaver have been managed throughout the years...really no explosion so to speak.
No expert here either, but as mentioned I have an area far North of me that has had a bit of a population bump, but the area has been trapped for years. One creek that I told Jackie and Eric V. about has kicked out over 20 beaver so far this year. I caught 15 on a nuisance job in October. Of the 15 I had 6 females that ere 45+ pounds but only one was prego. the rest were 40+ pound males that ranged up to 65 pounds. Our fur season opened up in November and I again scouted the area after the dam was opened and saw fresh sign of beaver?? Caught number 20 yesterday. I believe that the dry Summer we had had these beaver colonies pushed together out of necessity. No bites marks or damaged beaver so far on these beaver. In two other areas close by to this creek, I had other nuisance jobs and caught typical families numbers of beaver...6 and 8. AND there is another trapper that catches beaver up there every season. My thoughts lead back to these "conservation or protected" areas our county/states sets aside that are not being managed. the public ends up footing the bill for ALL of these nuisance animal issues that occur. Leave it to government.

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I wonder what the ratio of male vs. female per litter? Maybe there is a way to sex the embryos, of pregnant females caught, to get an idea of the make-up of a typical litter.

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I never took the time...just noticed the number big old adults...and scratching my head.

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Just ran into the same thing, one large single female from a spot that I removed two in the spring.

Small pond, on a large nuclear plant. 2 years ago removed one 3X large male, this summer removed the classic breeding pair of two year old's. At that time the lodge was mudded but obviously no feedbed. Just last week (end of January) site called me again, more beavers in the pond. Showed up and there is a dinky feedbed in front of the lodge.

1 3X female was all that was in there and she moved in sometime between September and beginning of December based on when the ice came in. She was definitely not a two year old.

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Took 21 beaver out of one colony once a long time ago.
There is a live colony on one of my traplines with 4 live houses on the pond.It is in a muskeg swamp with lots of cat tail and shallow water.
I only trap that pond every second or 3rd fall and usually take 2-5 beaver there each fall I trap it.


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I'm no expert, but in my trapping on big rivers I'm blissfully unaware of "colonies" of beaver. It's wall to wall beavers for 150 miles of river. The kits (which I largely avoid) are usually LM's with a few mediums and seem to stick close. So when I catch one I pull the trap not to catch the rest of the siblings.


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So I guess you have never seen a castor mound and dont catch any scarred beaver?

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I trap irragation ditches and small rivers(2), when I first started here in the mountains, I would catch one or two at a location and it would go dead. Then I would find sign at another location maybe catch one or two and then nothing. I now set up and down a few hundred yards and will catch them leaving,( I think its the ones bailing from where I find them). I've also had them set up housekeeping in the dead of winter, I was running snares for coyotes one winter and the second check my snares were under water. When I trapped in NY I didn't see this behavior, I caught a big female last spring, the first animal in the colony, that was the only beaver I caught there, i had the traps there a month! The longer Iam at this the more surprises I find. I guess you don't know what you don't know?

Re: Question for Beaver Experts [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8069690
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Do the large adult males go on a swim-about during breeding season?

I'm not talking about the single males....I'm asking abouthe males that are paired up with an adult female. Will he breed and leave her at that lodge/den/dam, etc , travelling to another colony to attempt breeding with any other adult female? You know...like buck deer do....travel fom doe group to doe group.

If this is common then that would would explain why I'm seeing several lone adult females right now. The male may or may not return. If he does...then a trapper would say I have a breeding pair there. If he doesn't...trappers says only an adult female there.

I have always thought the pair stayed together....maybe not. Those males are looking for other females during breeding season.....not satisfied with just one female. They are like most mammals.

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Re: Question for Beaver Experts [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8069699
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Great question...thinking like a canine...YES...thinking like a rodent....definitely!

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oOne thing I have noticed the larger the body of water the more beaver and of coursethe higher number of beaver I took 13 large beaver from one hole 0n lake Eufala it is a big flat lake 105,ooo acres also the big slews in Deep Fork bottoms can hold big numbers of Beavers Especially in wet years.

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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Do the large adult males go on a swim-about during breeding season?

I'm not talking about the single males....I'm asking abouthe males that are paired up with an adult female. Will he breed and leave her at that lodge/den/dam, etc , travelling to another colony to attempt breeding with any other adult female? You know...like buck deer do....travel fom doe group to doe group.

If this is common then that would would explain why I'm seeing several lone adult females right now. The male may or may not return. If he does...then a trapper would say I have a breeding pair there. If he doesn't...trappers says only an adult female there.

I have always thought the pair stayed together....maybe not. Those males are looking for other females during breeding season.....not satisfied with just one female. They are like most mammals.

I've wondered if a pregnant female gets to hard to live with and the male sets up temporary shop elsewhere until the birthing is done.

Re: Question for Beaver Experts [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8070022
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I've wondered if a pregnant female gets to hard to live with and the male sets up temporary shop elsewhere until the birthing is done.

Yep i see that alot, he won't be far just not living in the same house with her and the kits. Be a ways up or down stream from the main living quarters, all that fussing gets on his nerves, lol.


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Re: Question for Beaver Experts [Re: beaverpeeler] #8070080
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I'm no expert, but in my trapping on big rivers I'm blissfully unaware of "colonies" of beaver. It's wall to wall beavers for 150 miles of river. The kits (which I largely avoid) are usually LM's with a few mediums and seem to stick close. So when I catch one I pull the trap not to catch the rest of the siblings.


How do you avoid kits when it’s ’wall to wall’ beavers? What does close mean when they are that thick? You pull ‘the trap’ once you catch the one? You only set one trap per 150 mile stretch?

I don’t think like that. When I set beaver traps, there are no survivors.

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Originally Posted by BvrRetriever
Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I'm no expert, but in my trapping on big rivers I'm blissfully unaware of "colonies" of beaver. It's wall to wall beavers for 150 miles of river. The kits (which I largely avoid) are usually LM's with a few mediums and seem to stick close. So when I catch one I pull the trap not to catch the rest of the siblings.


How do you avoid kits when it’s ’wall to wall’ beavers? What does close mean when they are that thick? You pull ‘the trap’ once you catch the one? You only set one trap per 150 mile stretch?

I don’t think like that. When I set beaver traps, there are no survivors.


Good question(s). First, I try to avoid areas that appear to be denning areas where I see multiple foraging trails in a small area or other signs that show juveniles in the area. (I learned a lot from an older trapper that used to trap the same river). Second, I focus on setting established marking areas that are mainly visited by adults. In a 10-12 mile stretch of river I only set an average of 1 trap per half mile depending on how much activity there is. Finally, the proof is in the pudding...of the first 92 beaver I caught this year all but 11 were XL or larger. When I do catch a juvenile I usually just pick up that trap because in my experience chances are good I'll pick up 1 or more siblings in the same set. Since I'm a fur trapper not ADC I prefer to leave those for next year.



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Re: Question for Beaver Experts [Re: Boco] #8070118
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Originally Posted by Boco
So I guess you have never seen a castor mound and dont catch any scarred beaver?


I guess that was directed at my post?

Does an adult beaver that marks his/her territory mean that he/she is a colony beaver? In my experience colony beaver are isolated by some distance from another colony and usually found in ponds and small creeks with dams and such and don't seem to fight with each other. Pelts are pretty clean. Everybody gets along.

The river beaver I trap are fighters and most scarred up bad. The river often floods and beaver move great distances during these events...I'm not sure that I could recognize if there are family units that stick in small areas of the river habitat. I just see constant moving around and if I trap out an area early in the season by late in the season it's likely occupied again with new beavers.

I have read somewhere that beavers mate for life, but I don't believe it. All the adult females on my lines are pregnant by mid-march. Even if I trapped out their mates in December..


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Re: Question for Beaver Experts [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8070244
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Do the large adult males go on a swim-about during breeding season?

I'm not talking about the single males....I'm asking abouthe males that are paired up with an adult female. Will he breed and leave her at that lodge/den/dam, etc , travelling to another colony to attempt breeding with any other adult female? You know...like buck deer do....travel fom doe group to doe group.

If this is common then that would would explain why I'm seeing several lone adult females right now. The male may or may not return. If he does...then a trapper would say I have a breeding pair there. If he doesn't...trappers says only an adult female there.

I have always thought the pair stayed together....maybe not. Those males are looking for other females during breeding season.....not satisfied with just one female. They are like most mammals.


In Minnesota, when the water open up in the spring the first run or two will be dominated by big adult males. Weather they are protecting their territory, looking for a new or another mate, or just trying to get out for some fresh air and food, they are out and about first. When there is fresh castor around it can go from no castor mound around to dozens over night so I always assumed it was a territorial thing. I try not to trap colonies at the same time of year, so I don’t really know the number of single females in colonies. So it could be due to that male either being gone for a little while, got killed in its travels (trappers or predators), or maybe found a new mate/place to call home.

When I have trapped down south during breeding season there is an movement of beaver, and lots of fighting taking place that is very similar to what I see at ice out in Minnesota. In both places a little rain or higher water seems to drive the beavers to move more.


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Re: Question for Beaver Experts [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8070408
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Scent mounds are a different thing than a castor territotial marking mound.
Scent mounds are made by 2 year old beaver advertising for a partner to pair up with.After they have paired up,they will not mate until the following winter after they have established a home range.For the most part,the only beaver that mate in spring after ice out (late april early may here) are females or males that have lost their mate after freeze up and have not had another beaver available to mate with in feb under the ice.From my observations over the past 50 years or so they are not often sucessful at finding a mate that late unless they can hook up with another loner that has had a mate trapped in winter.Beaver who mate late are the ones responsible for the cub beaver that are sometimes caught in fall,because the late mating has produced a late litter.Scent mounds are only found in spring right after ice out here when the 2 year olds are on the move.Other beaver move at this time also,sometimes entire colonys will move when feed has been depleted in an area,and fighting is common when they move thru other beavers established territory.Beaver here do not often winter in the rivers,because the rivers often flood here late in the fall washing away feedbeds.They will be OK if they set up in a bay,a backwater or tributary.The beaver do use the rivers extensively in the spring for dispersal.Medium sized rivers here are like beaver highways in spring and plenty of beaver can be trapped on them in a short time without having to move traps.
Scent mounds are easy to distinguish from Territorial castor mounds.Scent mounds are small and almost never covered up by other beave,Other beaver will leave their own scent mound close by and at these places there can be many small scent mounds several feet from each other usually along a flat bank.
Territorial castor mounds get pretty big sometimes because beaver from two (or sometimes more) colonys use them and cover up the other beavers scent before adding their own.When beaver are trapped out of one colony and no longer mark the territorial mound,the neighboring beaver will move in to the vacant territory.
In good habitat here ther can be as many as 4 live housed on a mile of stream.Way up north near the treeline where beaver live on willow the density is much less.perhaps one live house on 10 miles of stream.
This is what I see in North eastern Ontario.

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