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Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: Ltrman] #8058284
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Originally Posted by Ltrman
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Nothing against HSing. The problem I have with it is are they getting taught what they need to be successful for a college grad. I do know of one family that have HSed. The thing that stands out with those late teen and young adults is that they have social issues, and it has been hard for them to relate to others in the work force and their private lives. I know some here will say you don't need to be a college grad etc.. True but the world needs people that continue to carry us along with professional college degrees.

Just the observation and what has happened in their life as a young adult so far. None have furthered their education and have min wage job and not a career that will take them into retirement years.

Also not saying this is a normal situation in how all HSed kids move forward. I'm just given an example of the one family I can comment on with observation.



Since we're giving anecdotal evidence...Tim Tebow seems to have turned out ok....even after playing at the University of Florida...not exactly a bastion of virtue.


Whos Tim Tebow ?

Ohhh...he's the guy that couldn't throw in the pros.

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Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: TurkeyTime] #8058299
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Originally Posted by TurkeyTime
Have taught for 27 years, Conservative, and even show Jeremiah Johnson in class. Lumping all public schools and teachers together equates to watching some poorly done trapping video on Youtube and saying that is all trappers. Home schooling works for some but not all. I know of one family that home schooled correctly. All of the rest have some degree of not being comfortable in public. If I taught in the city it would be at a private school and that is where my kids would go as well. It is great that it works for some but there is a reason society went to public education and this was done well over 100 years before liberalism and indoctrination issues.



I wonder if you have ever studied the stated reasons our country went to public schooling- from the founders of it, people like John Dewey. Yeah. Not all “progress” is forward. And there’s all kinds of interesting stuff in the history of American education when you start digging- like the fact that the period around the revolutionary war saw some of the highest literacy rates ever- long before public education.


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Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: Dirt] #8058306
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Fortunately, thanks to public education, parents now have the skills to teach their own children.


I’m sorry, but that is an incredibly ignorant statement. Look up the history of literacy rates in America.


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Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: Turtledale] #8058324
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Originally Posted by Turtledale
I think there's a big difference in public school in a city with hundreds in a graduating class and public school in rural communities that have 52 in a class like mine or 12 in a class like the rival school down the road.
The Amish have there own public schools also around here, but kids are out of school by what we consider the 8th grade and then they go home to work and get married.
A huge percentage of people turn out just fine in public schools just as they do in homeschools. I know teachers in public schools that are unfit to teach and also homeschool parents that are unfit.
To me it's 6 of these and a half dozen of the other.

I'd be interested to know how many advocating for homeschooling were sent to public school or homeschooled themselves.

Exactly. All of my kids have gone to a small public school and are doing fine.

Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: .44WCF] #8058335
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Originally Posted by .44WCF
Originally Posted by Dirt
Fortunately, thanks to public education, parents now have the skills to teach their own children.


I’m sorry, but that is an incredibly ignorant statement. Look up the history of literacy rates in America.

Downward trajectory for decades.

Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: .44WCF] #8058338
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Originally Posted by .44WCF
Originally Posted by Dirt
Fortunately, thanks to public education, parents now have the skills to teach their own children.


I’m sorry, but that is an incredibly ignorant statement. Look up the history of literacy rates in America.


You are saying public education made the U.S. less literate? confused


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Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #8058351
01/23/24 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
Originally Posted by TurkeyTime
Have taught for 27 years, Conservative, and even show Jeremiah Johnson in class. Lumping all public schools and teachers together equates to watching some poorly done trapping video on Youtube and saying that is all trappers. Home schooling works for some but not all. I know of one family that home schooled correctly. All of the rest have some degree of not being comfortable in public. If I taught in the city it would be at a private school and that is where my kids would go as well. It is great that it works for some but there is a reason society went to public education and this was done well over 100 years before liberalism and indoctrination issues.


Pubic school of 100 years ago was nothing like State or Federal schools of today.

my grandmother went to a one room school house passed last year at 95
teachers went to teachers college and a board , a school board of the parents of the kids in the township or even a portion of the township hired a teacher. the teacher was a town employee but mostly an employee of the half dozen or so families that made up the school board they interviewed and selected the teacher. if the teacher told them of a discipline issue they dealt with it.

what we have today is a muddled mass state and federal school and not one of intense local control

a concept that school is something owed to you and use more as a daycare than a learning institution provided by the parents , and idea of a mother state that provides.
what mother state provides mother state can indoctrinate , change and control through mandates funded or unfunded.

yes the small towns , villages and cities still have a more control but at the same time are chasing and relying on state and federal $.
I grew up in and lived in small towns were I know people on the school board.

most people today could not name one person on the school board , in big cities school board member became a paid employees who work for more. more funding and more pay and juke the stats , change the tests anything to make it look good to make the money. this happens a the expense of students.



I doubt most people today could pass the 8th grade final test from 100 years ago. If you've seen it, it's a doozy.

Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: Nessmuck] #8058422
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One of my best friends and his wife home schooled their 6 kids. I was best man at their wedding. When they first decided to do it, I felt obligated to share my concerns. I told them about my worries about the kids not being properly socialized. They enrolled their kids in sports and other activities. The kids went on field trips with other home schooled kids. The kids played with other kids in the neighborhood. The kids turned out better than fine. They are very successful, happy, well rounded adults now.

I was originally against home schooling. Now after meeting a fairly large number of home schooled people, over many years, I.support it. I.think there are definitely some people that should not home school their children. I think the majority of parents, who choose to home school their children, will have better results than our public school system.

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Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: Nessmuck] #8058493
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You from Kentucky?
Lol lol lol.


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You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: Nessmuck] #8058498
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One of my best friends has home schooled 4 of his 7 kids.
Best mannered/ hardworking kid anyone could ask for.


swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo

You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: KeithC] #8058513
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Originally Posted by KeithC
One of my best friends and his wife home schooled their 6 kids. I was best man at their wedding. When they first decided to do it, I felt obligated to share my concerns. I told them about my worries about the kids not being properly socialized. They enrolled their kids in sports and other activities. The kids went on field trips with other home schooled kids. The kids played with other kids in the neighborhood. The kids turned out better than fine. They are very successful, happy, well rounded adults now.

I was originally against home schooling. Now after meeting a fairly large number of home schooled people, over many years, I.support it. I.think there are definitely some people that should not home school their children. I think the majority of parents, who choose to home school their children, will have better results than our public school system.

Keith



When my wife started talking about doing I I was not for it. I worried about socialization and keep up with where they need to be at.

My wife is very smart and we started going to homeschool group activities with a few home school groups. You could say I was ambushed.

What I saw were the most well spoken well rounded kids with incredible vocabulary and variety of interest.

There was a group of teen boys playing basketball hard one day. A toddler went out on the court going after a ball I jumped up as fast as I could to try to get the kid before he got ran over and trampled I was to far away to get to him in time. But it didn't matter. Everyone of those boys stopped and the one with the ball handed it to the toddler and picked him up to the basket so he could try to make one.

In every public school I have been in that kid would have been knocked down and trampled.

I guess that was one of the several moments that changed my mind about homeschool.

Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: Nessmuck] #8058741
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We homeschooled all my kids. Not one regret. They all have jobs and don’t ask me for money or live in my house. I prefer to be around my kids more than most adults. No one can question their work ethic or integrity. Socially and professionally they are extremely successful. My family doesn’t fit the snooty narrative presented here.


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Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: Ltrman] #8058822
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Originally Posted by Ltrman
Originally Posted by Dirt
Fortunately, thanks to public education, parents now have the skills to teach their own children.



That's a good one lol......how do you know they didn't go to private school or were homeschooled themselves? Parents are the ultimate educator.



Dirt,
Since you are posting on the internet, I'd ASSUME you'd realize that the entire world is available, at your fingertips.
Lot of resources out there.

And as the late,great Norm MacDonald once commented;
" What do.you need to teach the 3rd grade?
A FOURTH grade education?"

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Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: Nessmuck] #8058843
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My wife is a retired Public School (English) Teacher and a Principal. She will be the first one to recommend keeping your child OUT of the Public school. All of our kids went to Private Christian schools. They then went on to colleges. Christian schools do NOT go for the indoctrination of our kids and Public schools are a racist indoctrinated failure. My wife saw kids that never showed up for class and were failed get Parents to claim Racism and the School Superintendent change the grades especially when it came to getting statistics up for funding. I will also state that with the Illegals coming into Public Schools NONE of them have been Vaccinated and now Parents are being FORCED to Home school kids since some schools are being used to house Illegals. So much for paying taxes for education.


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Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: Nessmuck] #8058847
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Do you know what is the number one career of the parents of children in Christian schools?

Public school teachers. Number 1. That says a lot.

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Originally Posted by BernieB.
Do you know what is the number one career of the parents of children in Christian schools?

Public school teachers. Number 1. That says a lot.


Seems a bit hypocritical on the teacher's part then, doesn't it? It's okay to teach other kids for the paycheck, but for their own kids to learn?

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Originally Posted by k snow
Originally Posted by BernieB.
Do you know what is the number one career of the parents of children in Christian schools?

Public school teachers. Number 1. That says a lot.


Seems a bit hypocritical on the teacher's part then, doesn't it? It's okay to teach other kids for the paycheck, but for their own kids to learn?


I do a lot I don't want to do fro my pay check and benefits, in the hopes my kids will not have to do what I do but have a better choice on what they would like to do.
I do what I thin is best for my kids.

Since they have a much better look and inside understanding of the public school system I would expect no less from them if they are not lock step in line with the indoctrination program.

My dad is a good example of stuck in the mind set schools are like they were when he was in school in the 60s and 70s but even he has slowly woken up to the fact they are not.

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Originally Posted by k snow
Originally Posted by BernieB.
Do you know what is the number one career of the parents of children in Christian schools?

Public school teachers. Number 1. That says a lot.


Seems a bit hypocritical on the teacher's part then, doesn't it? It's okay to teach other kids for the paycheck, but for their own kids to learn?


Hypocritical? No. Not at all.

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Originally Posted by k snow
Originally Posted by BernieB.
Do you know what is the number one career of the parents of children in Christian schools?

Public school teachers. Number 1. That says a lot.


Seems a bit hypocritical on the teacher's part then, doesn't it? It's okay to teach other kids for the paycheck, but for their own kids to learn?



My wife went back into teaching in the public school system for one reason - she felt like it was her mission field. When you have kids that are abandoned and led astray by their own parents (if they are around), and can't figure out what pronoun to use as they can't figure out what sex they are - we need help. This is in a small rural school. When kids are drawn to my wife as she speaks the truth and shows them absolute love by telling them how God created them and they have a divine purpose and hope - I see her being effective. When she is voted best teacher by the students and I watch them talk about her - I can't be selfish and only have her raise our children. My kids are pretty well grounded in Christ, not perfect, but we have chosen to be the light for others in our community and let them know Jesus loves them. Its definitely NOT about the paycheck for teaching for us. The Lord has blessed us with my job and it likely costs us more than my wife brings in with her teaching position.

Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: randall brannon] #8058904
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Originally Posted by randall brannon
My wife is a retired Public School (English) Teacher and a Principal. She will be the first one to recommend keeping your child OUT of the Public school. All of our kids went to Private Christian schools..


I have to laugh at this opening statement, perhaps your wife was the problem then! In charge of a school, she recommends people not attend. That's so SAD it is not even funny.
Her school is good enough for others but not your own kids that's pathetic, as a leader of a school and children she should have been removed.


"Christian schools do NOT go for the indoctrination of our kids and Public schools are a racist indoctrinated failure. ]"
Christian schools do NOT go for indoctrination? Seriously, that statement is a bald-faced lie. Just because you agree with it does not mean it is not indoctrination. The one reason I disagree with the voucher system in WI is my money (tax dollars) should not be going to teach others corrupt religious views. Yes, I consider most religions corrupt, they are corrupted by man.

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