Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps?
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I've never had a coon chew in a DP. They chew sometimes in a regular foothold because they can access the numb part of their toes/foot. They WILL NOT chew a part of their foot that still has feeling.
Dont know where you got that from...
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Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps?
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I have seen chewing in dps above the trap many times. Sometimes severely. I suspect those particular animals were not right due to diesease.
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Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps?
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I've been using a lot of DPs for a long time and have had 3 pull outs. I don't know if I've even lost 3 EVER. I did lose two in a culvert opening that I had staked outside the culvert so it would be easy to dispatch. The trap just reached the corner of the culvert and when the coons went inside the spring hit just right on the end of the culvert and when they pulled, it compressed the spring, releasing the coon. I didn't figure it out until the second coon. This is why I won't tie off to trees. They wrap around the tree until the spring rests against the tree. Always best to stake away from entanglement of any kind. The only other DP's I have had tripped and empty were from thieves or dogs pulling the coons out of the traps.
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Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps?
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I've been using a lot of DPs for a long time and have had 3 pull outs. I don't know if I've even lost 3 EVER. I did lose two in a culvert opening that I had staked outside the culvert so it would be easy to dispatch. The trap just reached the corner of the culvert and when the coons went inside the spring hit just right on the end of the culvert and when they pulled, it compressed the spring, releasing the coon. I didn't figure it out until the second coon. This is why I won't tie off to trees. They wrap around the tree until the spring rests against the tree. Always best to stake away from entanglement of any kind. The only other DP's I have had tripped and empty were from thieves or dogs pulling the coons out of the traps. Yep, all three were due to entanglements - getting wrapped up in something that provided the coon leverage to pull or compressing the spring against something. I also avoid tying off to anything, but instead of rebar I run Berkshires on mine.
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Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps?
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Haven’t lost a coon out of a duke DP yet, and that is a jillion catches. Jim
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Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps?
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I have NEVER lost a coon in a DP.
I have NEVER had a chew out in a DP.
I have set on the edge of a little tiny creek and got about 3-4” of rain overnight that had me wading to get a drowned coon in the creek. If there was ever a time to chew, that would’ve been it.
I use earth anchors and even just cable off to trees and haven’t lost any either way. I have had the cable so wrapped around cover I thought I’d never get it untangled. And I’ve had them about head high up the same tree, but never lost one.
Curious what DP’s y’all are using where you lose them and how long between checks on chew outs? We have a 24hr check law here. My experience mirrors your WB. I have 120 Ztraps. Been using them for 8 or 10 years. I have had a fired DP still standing up a time or two.... Mice or rats....I'm sure. Have also captured a field mouse or 3. Have had deer kick them over. I stake most DPs (at deer feeders)....1/2" x 20" rebar single stake. Along creeks/branches, I half-hitch to trees. I have never captured a coon and it pull out. Did have a large gator remove most of a caught coon from a Ztrap. What a bloody mess.
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Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps?
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When I really ran for coon I'd loose probably 2 a season In dps entanglement issue manily ..don't know how but I've had 2 dps with the coon foot in the trap no coon heck of a pull out there an no didn't look like something ate the coon in the trap just somehow pulled out leaving thy arm....oh I did have one climb a tree an then fell out causing it to pull out of the trap I mainly run Duke an ztraps
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Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps?
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..don't know how but I've had 2 dps with the coon foot in the trap no coon heck of a pull out there an no didn't look like something ate the coon in the trap just somehow pulled out leaving thy arm... Dogs will pull them out, but more than likely the trap lost its ability to swivel and the coon twisted until it either pulled out or probably got it loose from the entanglement then after the damage was done it was able to run to the end and pull it off. This will happen if you leave your rebar stakes out of the ground so the springs get caught on it, or if you push your trap into hard ground too far, or if it partially freezes the stabilizer in the ground. I figured this out when I had a skunk foot in a DP and it was never pulled from the grund. A farmer near here couldn't get the stabilizer in the floor of his hay loft so he wired it straight to one of the beams up there, asked me why they were "chewing" out. I never push my DP's in further than 1/2 way up the stabilizers.
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Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps?
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I lost one last night in a DP that makes 4 so far. I'm about done with DPs. Describe lost? What brand of DP’s? Push/pull or pull only? And how do you know you “lost” something? Folks talking about them passing them by, when I have that I’ll take my drill and auger and drill a hole and put my DP in the hole. Just make sure you have plenty of room for the trap to fire. Occasionally I’ll get one that’ll ignore it in the open, but bury it and he’ll reach in all day long.
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Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps?
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Never lost a single one yet. Mind you ive never set a DP and we dont have raccoons here so yeah....
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Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps?
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I have use almost every brand and type of "DP" traps for over 15 years now. There are a couple styles I would not use again but all the common tube type DP's like Dukes, No BS, Z-traps, etc... all work the exact same way and if you are losing coons out of them, and someone or something is not pulling them out, then it is 100% operator error IMO.
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Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps?
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What would the operator error be? Tell us exactly how you set the traps. How did you stake them, what bait, how far was the stabilizer in the ground, was the trap straight up and down or angled? What brand and style of trap? Was there a catch circle? Any part of the coon still in the trap? Trap treatment? Waxed, painted etc... Was it for sure a coon and not some other critter?
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Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps?
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I lost one last night in a DP that makes 4 so far. I'm about done with DPs. Describe lost? What brand of DP’s? Push/pull or pull only? And how do you know you “lost” something? Folks talking about them passing them by, when I have that I’ll take my drill and auger and drill a hole and put my DP in the hole. Just make sure you have plenty of room for the trap to fire. Occasionally I’ll get one that’ll ignore it in the open, but bury it and he’ll reach in all day long. Well, the DP are dukes was sprung and wrapped tight around the bottom of the 4 inch tree I had it attached too. There was also a half of a catch circle. The other half was a huge 3 foot oak. The DPs are pull only and I set them with the middle of the dog in the center of the catch lever.
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Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps?
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What would the operator error be? Tell us exactly how you set the traps. How did you stake them, what bait, how far was the stabilizer in the ground, was the trap straight up and down or angled? What brand and style of trap? Was there a catch circle? Any part of the coon still in the trap? Trap treatment? Waxed, painted etc... Was it for sure a coon and not some other critter? Tied to a tree. This morning it was tripped and wrapped around the tree I attached it to. There was half of a catch circle. Used corn as bait with a long call racoon lure. I assumed it was a racoon. Nothing in the trap and no corn on the ground. Painted traps no wax. Baited the trap straight up and down. Stabilizer was in the ground up to the chain stop.
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Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps?
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Good luck to you and I hope that solves your troubles with the DPs. Ok, that's sounds like operator error. In all 4 cases they were wrapped around a tree. I never thought that might be happening. Hopefully that's all it is. Thanks.
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Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps?
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..don't know how but I've had 2 dps with the coon foot in the trap no coon heck of a pull out there an no didn't look like something ate the coon in the trap just somehow pulled out leaving thy arm... Dogs will pull them out, but more than likely the trap lost its ability to swivel and the coon twisted until it either pulled out or probably got it loose from the entanglement then after the damage was done it was able to run to the end and pull it off. This will happen if you leave your rebar stakes out of the ground so the springs get caught on it, or if you push your trap into hard ground too far, or if it partially freezes the stabilizer in the ground. I figured this out when I had a skunk foot in a DP and it was never pulled from the grund. A farmer near here couldn't get the stabilizer in the floor of his hay loft so he wired it straight to one of the beams up there, asked me why they were "chewing" out. I never push my DP's in further than 1/2 way up the stabilizers. Iv learned from input from every post. First and most important is traps must not loose ability to swivel. As i original posted two wrapped spring into stake washer and will not happen again. Had one I think hit trigger from outside of trap without being committed. The last one in front of trail cam I cannot explain. Left paw behind, open field staked well. I am a little leery using cables now and getting wrapped up possibly loosing ability to swivel.
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Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps?
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I’ve lost three that chewed out , paw still in trap. We have big coons so thinking they broke leg fighting trap then chewed out. Happens I would bet a lot that you had the stabilizer pushed too hard in the ground, or something else stopped that trap from swiveling, the coons twisted without it coming free of the ground or trap stake top or whatever stopped it swiveling, then the coon pulled loose. They don't chew at the parts of their foot they can feel. We have big coons here too. That will never happen if the traps are set so the stabilizer pulls free from the ground easily, and the trap is free to swivel without getting hung up on something.
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Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps?
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I've caught hundreds of coons in DPs over the years and have never seen one chew on itself. They will chew up everything in the area but have never seen any self inflicted damage. Looks like beavers have been in the area if a coon is caught around cover, lol.
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