Now if you really want something zippy .......

Ok so in annealing.... apparently you don't , the guy on the companies videos SPECIFICALLY SAID DO NOT ANNEAL, Aso I haven't

I just have always used a regular full length resizing die with the depriming pin in place. Anneal 4-5 and see what happens. Dont do it in a single stroke.

No sir

the gaulding marks I see inside the sized case necks, says maybe lube inside, your brass may be 2 soft colapsing the shoulders.

O I was. Nothing super fancy though, just put the case mouth in the lube gave it a half spin. Would do that Evey 3 or so. Reckon I would use like a q tip or something?

Got the whole set up for that need to charge my drill and get a new torch though,

I would

Have a look see where the expander button is situated in the die. You may find that it into high up and you are smallerizing the neck while trying to enbiggen it with the button at the same time. That may be to much for the shoulders to bear and they collapse on you

Did I just convince my gf to let me drive an extra 45min on our date to get these ....mabye....but there's a other bookstore around and I found a great little reloading supply shop lol


I have. More ordered but their all delayed due to weather

You have weather in Mississippi ??

apparently where ever powder valley and Midway USA are loaded they have UPS backed up because of it

powder valley is just outside wichita ks and midway is in columbia mo. all hammered by snow and cold weather

I can't imagine NOT annealing a case before necking it down.
Wolfie, you gonna shoot those out of a .223 based case?
I feel you may have a chance at a catastrophic event in your future.

So ...after calling the local bass pro after seeing they where supposed to have some 20gr Vmaxs on sale they said they couldn't find them so to baton rouge I went. Got those ntx's well on the way back home we went by the bass pro and the gf wanted to go look at some achery stuff, well look. What I found on the self

Okie dokie, so a some updates tried what scuba said about taking the decapping pin out and my crush case amount went way more down which when you think about it it makes sense. More downwards force coming down on that neck as you try and shove it up and over that expander ball and all that, and I de cap everything Separate on a universal decapper anyhow. Interesting little deal reading has with knurled end here. Slips right in the case since it's smaller then the expander ball but still can see something possibly getting hung up




And just our if curiosity wants to see what the difference would be in one that that formed with the pin vs if I used the pin after forming annnnd noting noticable



And here's a pic of the whole build. Only think I'm missing is the dust cover which I just keep forgetting to get ordered lol.nwanna get a funny custom on though. But yeah just ripped the bcg out of my .223 while spr build and slapped it in its lower because that lower is so nice to shoot with the wide trigger and the luth mba fully adjustable stock

And today gonna be loading up some of the 20gr vmax's per KAK's load data. Did go and check my should bumps and all that and everything chambers super easy via me pushing ithe bcg in with my thumb.

Running some CFE 223

Will say.....I remeber why I don't like this bally flaky type powder very much , good ole statics

Ten rounds for initial " will this blow up in my face " and getting on target. Think these are supposed to be at 3800 something fps. And that's a starting load.

Good little bit of mag space as well to play with but apparently.17cals like to be jumped apparently so we will see

Spend a couple of bucks on a Lyman funnel .... Its made of cast aluminimum. Zero static and it has inserts that fit over the case necks of yer rounds .. I love that thing and trashed all the others I have tired out over the years.
Go to 1:50 of the video where I ramble on about that funnel

Now if you set the expander ball as low as you can in the die what will happen is. It will be through the neck if the .. then 223 case , so needs no force. Then the die does it work and on the up stroke when the die is out of the way, the expander does its thing ...... If that makes sense to you

Okie dokie got to do some shooting! New did make one or two little little mistakes involving trimming but after pulling some bullets got that fixed.

So the set up ( for the first then shots, more and more I'm just not enjoying shooting off of a front rest , idk just not my thing)
Prone , Caldwell rock BR front rest , magneto speed bayonet Chronograph. My heavy leather rear bag, 63 degrees out no wind



So first ten rounds didn't want to read or where reading some crazy numbers but j bore sighted and sent the first five in @50yd to make sure I was on paper. Also worked as a function test
And some screen shots I took in order of the first shot breaking





So looking like a out 2 o'clock ejection with means a few things according to this

Might play with something down the line but idk over gasses AR's are apparently not uncommon at all , might give her and adjustable gas block down the line. Also gotta say, this thing has like no recoil and I think I might start going the thread protector route.
Anyhow everything functioned perfect. 100yd group was ..meh but very rarely I've had a beginning load start great. Also might have just been me trying to get on a new build


Now the next loads (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) better but started getting some problems , honestly the only problem I had with the 26gr load was the rounds weren't picking up from the mag. Walked inside switched mags problem solved. Was still having issues with the economy picking up these little bullets so only two sensible velocities


Now according to KAK's load data 26.3 gr is supposed to be the optimal load ( also the top end load for the powder bullet combo) this was where j was getting problems though. The main on being two of these.

Now at first I wasn't sure what to think . Did the whole SPORTS thing , drop the mag ,yadda yadda , and nother the bcg just would not grab the case, weird, well went inside grabbed a cleaning rod and a little tap tap and it came right out. But ....


Believe it or not but I think this is the first time I've had this happen to me in reloading , so very interesting experience . But easy fix . That happened twice but only on this load so ..neat
anyhow shot pretty decent. A adjusted the scope too low on the first shot and hit below the target hence only 4rd