Suzuki outboard help please!
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So today on the river my outboard started losing power and eventually quit. When I lifted the cover I found the oil cap laying off to the side but the engine still had oil and none was splashed out. There was hot burnt smelling smoke emitting from the motor.
So the question: Does the oil system for this 4 stroke operate OK without the oil cap off or does the cap keep the system pressurized? Am I likely SOL???? (Its a 15hp Suzuki 4-stroke).
I just had the outboard serviced a few weeks ago and I hadn't touched the oil cap.
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So today on the river my outboard started losing power and eventually quit. When I lifted the cover I found the oil cap laying off to the side but the engine still had oil and none was splashed out. There was hot burnt smelling smoke emitting from the motor. Confused here. Motor still had oil and NONE was splashed out. So the oil level was FULL then because NONE splashed out. Right?
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SO, I just had the outboard serviced at the Suzuki shop. Oil level was fine... I saw it myself. Oil level is still fine after the motor lost power but smoke emitted form motor and it smelled burnt. When motor was serviced a new impeller was installed and its been peeing just fine. I previously had an issue after it was serviced but it turned out that the tank and hose were the issue and it wasn't pulling gas right. New tank and hose so that's not it.
After the engine died I cranked it and it still cranked OK but I didn't want to start it for fear of possibly doing more harm.
So my question is does anybody know whether the oil cap has to be on tight to keep things pressurized? In other words was the oil circulating properly?
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Re: Suzuki outboard help please!
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12/27/23 12:28 AM
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What size engine is it ...... the larger ones hav a O2 sensor and if the oil cap is off the blow by coming out of there can be enough to confuse the ECU ..... had one with a tiny crack in the exhaust manifold that played up because of that. You could hardly see that crack but it was enough to get it to sulk.
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Re: Suzuki outboard help please!
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It's a 15hp 4-stroke. I think it's an 2003 model year. The cap was off but no oil had blown out of the top.
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Re: Suzuki outboard help please!
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Sounds like it over heated and it should have lost power first then quit. That is a safety feature. Wouldn't think the oil cap would be the issue as the oil on that end shouldn't be under pressure. You may have picked up something on the water intake or there could be an issue with the new impeller or something with the install on the new impeller. I hate to say it but I would first call the service dealer and explain what happened and if it is the first time you've run it since the service they would probably be seeing it again. I have a 16 200 Suzuki 4 stroke and I found the symptoms you are describing while I was trying to flush it and realized I didn't have enough flow. I have them change mine every 50 hours.
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The loss of power was gradual over the course of about a mile going upstream. But I've probably put in about 35-40 hours on the water since it was serviced. I plan on taking it in tomorrow morning to see what can be found out. It's a drag 'cuz I've got traps out that I set on the 24th.
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12/27/23 07:56 AM
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My Suzuki 25hp did the same thing to me awhile back. Except the system warning light and beeper came on indicating it was overheating. I shut it down and waited a bit and fired it back up, ran fine the rest of the day. I'm thinking, either ice blocked the the impeller or some junk plugged the water intake. Anyway, I doubt you can hurt the motor by running it. It's either OK or smoked. I'd run it and see what happens.
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12/27/23 10:58 AM
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I always run a remote Racor gas/water removal filter, to guard against fuel issues. Even if your tank and hose is newish, the internal lines may be failing from Ethanol, check all the internal fuel filters too.
I've seen "mechanics" that have installed new water pump impellers backwards, causing poor water flow, the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) is an ok indicator but not foolproof.
The oil cap is a screw on with an O ring, they don't come off by themselves, If the cap is needed "on", then the service guy forgot to screw it back on.
It's a small engine, I'd take it back and have them explain exactly what they did, and you explain your not happy and losing money.... good luck.
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12/27/23 11:27 AM
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The loss of power was gradual over the course of about a mile going upstream. But I've probably put in about 35-40 hours on the water since it was serviced. I plan on taking it in tomorrow morning to see what can be found out. It's a drag 'cuz I've got traps out that I set on the 24th. Just use your spare boat. Don't tell me..............
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I always run a remote Racor gas/water removal filter, to guard against fuel issues. Even if your tank and hose is newish, the internal lines may be failing from Ethanol, check all the internal fuel filters too.
I've seen "mechanics" that have installed new water pump impellers backwards, causing poor water flow, the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) is an ok indicator but not foolproof.
The oil cap is a screw on with an O ring, they don't come off by themselves, If the cap is needed "on", then the service guy forgot to screw it back on.
It's a small engine, I'd take it back and have them explain exactly what they did, and you explain your not happy and losing money.... good luck. You're right, it's a screw on yellow cap. But I saw it on after the service job. Later it came off...somehow.
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12/27/23 01:18 PM
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While it was gradually losing power, was it still running rather smoothly, or was it missing? If it was running smoothly, then I'd guess it was losing compression. Have you tried a doing a compression test? That would be my first go-to if all the other systems seem to be working; fuel, air, spark, etc..
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It was smooth waggler....slowly losing compression.
SO the update:
Checking craigslist I found a Merc 20hp last night that I planned to go up and buy, but first I wanted the marine service center to check out my motor. Went over there first thing this morning at opening time and saw the sign that they're closed until the 2nd. At this point I was in contact with wws on here who graciously offered me use of his boat and motor, But I decided to first go try out the motor with the cap screwed back on and see if it would run.
And EUREKA! It did run, and at full compression! So I'm guessing the cap off lead to the oil system not functioning correctly. It does have a more hollow metallic sound at idle speed though now. I don't know if that is going to be an issue in the future but for now I'm OK.
Thanks for all on here with your valuable advice and best wishes. I truly appreciate it. And special thanks to wws who offered me his boat. Who does that anymore?
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12/27/23 09:16 PM
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Doesn't use oil. Well, after this latest incident I'll be checking frequently.
A 2hp wouldn't work on the waters I traverse. Plus, with a small Jon boat that 115 lb 15 horse is all I can carry.
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