Re: Bait/lure burnout
[Re: Bob Jameson]
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12/27/23 07:52 PM
12/27/23 07:52 PM
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Bingo, Swamp Wolf
You may actually find the opposite is occurring. You are conditioning a predator with an interesting odor. Most likely causing them to visit, mark it and move on. Then the next one comes along and does the same thing. ETC. Then this cycling may go on for months with each animal marking, digging, scratching at the odor until the odor has dissipated.
However, the animals continued marking with urine, feces, rolling on occasion and getting hair and trace hair oils at the location. All this activity keeps the location of interest for some time.
A fellow could go behind trappers that remove their lures (and baits) and put traps back at those locations and likely do pretty good....I sure would.
Last edited by Swamp Wolf; 12/27/23 07:53 PM. Reason: Spelling error
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Re: Bait/lure burnout
[Re: Old coy]
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12/27/23 10:06 PM
12/27/23 10:06 PM
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Don’t have a pic of anything spooked with my Spartans. I have them walk past a dirt hole and flat set like neither were there before. Actually got that the first night I put the sets in. The next night the same thing. I mean never broke stride in either sets of pics. The third night it made a beeline for the dirthole. I have no clue if it was the same coyote or different, but I mean come in, make a 90 straight to the hole, and caught. This was a high fence place, not that it matters, but to me that explains the three nights in a row.
The issue with cameras is people get pics of critters ignoring sets then go back to tweak or add something. I speak from experience, lol. Once I put them in and left them, I started catching more often.
It was also explained to me that less is more. I thought a match tip dip was just a metaphor…it was actually a match tip dip in the lure. And I’ve seen that work 4 weeks a one day after setting.
If I put a set in, it doesn’t get touched until I pull or it makes a catch. Listening to that type of advice and actually doing it increased my catches. Now that works for Summer, Spring, and Winter time trapping. There’s plenty of advice on this sight if folks would just read.
Now if someone can tell me how to keep possums or cats out of coyote sets I’d really pay attention!!! I could use no bait, lure, or urine and make a set where there’s nothing but coyote tracks and a possum or bobkitty will clog it up!
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Re: Bait/lure burnout
[Re: Old coy]
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12/28/23 03:57 PM
12/28/23 03:57 PM
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Larry Baer
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This is coyote #88 out of the field in front of my house. I have been here for 18 years and trapped them all within 300 yards in one corner of my field. At first they were easy and pretty much committed suicide - sometime two at a time. After a few years they got harder and I switched to only flat sets for them with a different lure and presto it was easy peasy again. After a couple more years they started passing by the flat sets so I went to a Robbins style dirt hole with a big bait. and gland and lure down the hole. I ran this way till last year when I got 5 in about a week then it went dry. This year all 5 sets have been there since 11/11/ and this morning I finally got this male. I made a stubble pile 12'' high and 12'' around and put gland on the front of it and every time I went by on the 4 wheeler I dribbled urine on it. I call this place the corner of death. Some coyotes stay way away from this corner. They like to stay across the road in fact. And across the road they are plain easy to catch. The advice for using different lure is good. I think you should. I think you'll never catch every one. they head for the hills if they get spooked. I have to go to the neighbors to get those. There's more to it than getting shy of smells - some smells are good and they do associate others they had a bad time with as bad- sometimes if they see one of there's in a trap they might stay with them but never come back to that spot - or maybe next year they are there if you fur trap- but you might only get one shot at them -so switching lure and set is a good thing. using a lure holder like steeltraps says is good too but a lot of us just don't do it. I typically use one gland lure, one bait, one lure and urine until I see something is not working. I also use one or two sets until I see something is different and then I look at my notes before I show them something else so I am not doing the same thing I did in the recent past. I don't see coyotes get tired or scarred of natural baits like deer or beaver but I do see it and other reactions from prepared baits and lures. If I use the same one year after year - they just aren't interested or mom and dad are keeping junior away from it - or maybe they don't see it as food or something interesting because the interesting things in their lives so far have not been that smell. Some coyotes are just leery of anything like people. Set every trap like you are setting it for the one that is the smartest and hardest to catch. If you like a certain lure you don't need to outsource form a different source either - just a different one that person makes usually is the trick.
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Re: Bait/lure burnout
[Re: Old coy]
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12/28/23 04:02 PM
12/28/23 04:02 PM
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In one way this is similar to calling in the sense that you are creating a picture in the coyotes head of what happened here or what is here and he takes it from there. Give him a new smell and his frame of mind may freak out or even be reminded of a good or bad thing. We have no way of knowing how it will react. We don't know if our neighbor is using the same lure? If you have the time just mess with them and try some thing different and they will usually show you how they can be caught. Sometimes a toy helps.
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Re: Bait/lure burnout
[Re: Larry Baer]
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12/29/23 09:24 PM
12/29/23 09:24 PM
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I have used 2 different baits, 1 gland, and 3-4 lures from one maker for 5 yrs now. I have ran the same basic lines for at least 15 yrs with these lures/baits in different combinations. Most every year I’ve set many of the same catch circles or very close to them. I do keep a log book for reference. It seems to me that the interest shown in the sets have decreased. Fewer visits, fewer tracks, less commitments to the attractors. I have had the occasional digger like most get. So I appreciate the comments you all have made !
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Re: Bait/lure burnout
[Re: Wanna Be]
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12/31/23 02:02 PM
12/31/23 02:02 PM
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Why would a lure or bait not be attractive unless a critter got pinched with that bait/lure? Coyote investigates another trapped coyote, comes back again later, the coyotes gone, smells like the same bait/lure, you, there’s some blood there, it MAY avoid the spot. Coyote investigates another trapped coyote, smells your bait/lure, smells you, gets nipped by the trapped coyote, next time it comes across the smell of those baits/lures and you it MAY avoid it. Coyote goes a mile to a fresh set, same bait/lure, smells like people, it MAY associate all that with its previous experience(s) and avoid it. Another thing to consider, even though commercial baits and lures can all smell different, MANY of them utilize the SAME dozen or so ingredients. Castor, skunk, rat and mink glands, etc etc etc. Scent habituation and avoidance is a thing. Likewise for location avoidance when to much has happened at a spot. I regularly see this at good snare locations with no baits or lures. To many coyotes die there, the spot eventually burns out.
Last edited by Boone Liane; 12/31/23 02:11 PM.
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Re: Bait/lure burnout
[Re: Archeryguy]
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01/01/24 08:53 AM
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I have run bait piles for 10 plus years. Initially, all the bait piles were hit hard and many coyotes were caught in the vicinity. I learned very quickly that coyotes learned to avoid those piles to the point where a fresh load of deer scraps in an established spot would be ignored all winter while a fresh location 200 yards away would get pounded. The question is, does one generation of coyotes teach the next generation to avoid certain spots? Is it the same with baits? After all, coyotes (and dogs) learn by association. Taught and learned behavior Been saying this for years
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