Exp. Sport in 600 vs 900 ACE questions
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600 I understand is lower geared, 900 more power overall.
How much worse is the 900 off trail and low speed crawling, towing, etc?
Been mulling a new sled over for years, and while I trap off trail a lots, I also ride longer distances, and run lakes on Georgian Bay a lot, ice fish, etc, and appreciate getting to where I'm going without it taking all day.
How much off trail performance (if any) is lost with the bigger engine?
Will I appreciate the power, given I am currently pretty happy with my 550 fan Voyageur?
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Re: Exp. Sport in 600 vs 900 ACE questions
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I have both the 600 and 900, I would go with the 900 you won't regret it. If you have the chance borrow one and take it for a spin. As far as a slow crawl I put it in low and in eco mode and it crawls along just fine.
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Re: Exp. Sport in 600 vs 900 ACE questions
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I have a 550 tundra skandik LT and a 600 ace skandik. I use both often. The 600 for longer trips-it is amazing on gas compared to the 550. I like the 550 for breaking some trail also for early trapline work where some water skipping is necessary. I tried out all kinds of snowmachines before I bought the 600 ace wt.On our fieldtrips for under ice beaver there would be 20 trappers at least all with different snowmachines makes and models,and we all tried each others machines out over the few days setting and checkin the beaver run. Even though the 900 ace and 600 ace are not much different in weight,the 600 rides way less front end heavy for some reason. Love the 4 stroke its like a cadillac compared to the 550,but both have their place on the trapline. Wide ski skins are a must on both machines for various reasons.
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Re: Exp. Sport in 600 vs 900 ACE questions
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Boco, I live and trap on georgian bay where the best ice safety is maintaining 45 mph due to small thin spots and current.
My 550 voyageur can skip 250 yards of open water (don't ask how I know)
While I generally limit it to 10 yards, or small thin ice spots, what is the 600s water jumping ability given I would get it in the 16" track?
Anyone?
We have an old skandic 600 wt two stroke, and when running deep water on ice it gives me zero confidence in its water jumping ability. That wide track seems to drag you down...
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Re: Exp. Sport in 600 vs 900 ACE questions
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I wouldnt try waterskipping with the 4 strokes. You need the pep for that and they are not made that way. Made for crawling in deep snow.
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Re: Exp. Sport in 600 vs 900 ACE questions
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I have a 900 ace swt and love it, my dad has the 600 ace wt, both skandics, not expeditions. Both are great for crawling because they have the two speed transmission. Both go as fast as I want to, but I am riding logging roads and atv trails, not wide open lakes and rivers. I think I've had mine up to 50 mph about twice. The sport does not have the low range that the wt and swt do. I've rode a couple Tundra 600 aces quite a bit, and if I owned one I would see about changing out the gears in them, they are too high geared for me and I am always slipping the belt some, especially pulling a sled. They would be okay if you can just open them up and go, but you can't crawl slow enough without engaging and disengaging the clutch constantly. They may be good for want you want though, because it sounds like you are going to be wanting to go fast worse than you want to be able to crawl.
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Re: Exp. Sport in 600 vs 900 ACE questions
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I've had both, I skip water a lot on the Yukon, go with the 900, definitely. The 600 is nail bitingly slow when skipping water without a towing a sled, would never attempt it with one.
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Re: Exp. Sport in 600 vs 900 ACE questions
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I'm actually considering the 600, and then adding a $300 performance chip which adds 15%, getting it to 69 horsepower. Apparently it increases fuel economy 5% also
15% isn't enough to decrease reliability either. Heck, there's a turbo kit for it that almost doubles the horsepower to 110 lol
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Re: Exp. Sport in 600 vs 900 ACE questions
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I've had both, I skip water a lot on the Yukon, go with the 900, definitely. The 600 is nail bitingly slow when skipping water without a towing a sled, would never attempt it with one. Water as in open holes? Or mostly overflow?
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I've had both, I skip water a lot on the Yukon, go with the 900, definitely. The 600 is nail bitingly slow when skipping water without a towing a sled, would never attempt it with one. Water as in open holes? Or mostly overflow? Only speaking for myself, I am referring to open holes.
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Re: Exp. Sport in 600 vs 900 ACE questions
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I skip open holes, leads, and overflow. I did not care for the 600 ACE, it seemed entirely too weak. Was reliable though. My 900 ACE is good for skipping water, never feel inadequate.
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Re: Exp. Sport in 600 vs 900 ACE questions
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Boco, I live and trap on georgian bay where the best ice safety is maintaining 45 mph due to small thin spots and current.
My 550 voyageur can skip 250 yards of open water (don't ask how I know)
While I generally limit it to 10 yards, or small thin ice spots, what is the 600s water jumping ability given I would get it in the 16" track?
Anyone?
We have an old skandic 600 wt two stroke, and when running deep water on ice it gives me zero confidence in its water jumping ability. That wide track seems to drag you down... I water-skip my Expo Sport w/600 ACE all the time, even when I don't have to, just to keep people from following my trail,... it does just fine, better than a SWT, which wants to twist around sideways alot more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXibuC2wB3U
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Re: Exp. Sport in 600 vs 900 ACE questions
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Boco, I live and trap on georgian bay where the best ice safety is maintaining 45 mph due to small thin spots and current.
My 550 voyageur can skip 250 yards of open water (don't ask how I know)
While I generally limit it to 10 yards, or small thin ice spots, what is the 600s water jumping ability given I would get it in the 16" track?
Anyone?
We have an old skandic 600 wt two stroke, and when running deep water on ice it gives me zero confidence in its water jumping ability. That wide track seems to drag you down... I water-skip my Expo Sport w/600 ACE all the time, even when I don't have to, just to keep people from following my trail,... it does just fine, better than a SWT, which wants to twist around sideways alot more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXibuC2wB3UI have tried to water cross with an older wt skandic 600 two stroke and it is awful. Like you say, the wide track bogs instantly
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Boco, I live and trap on georgian bay where the best ice safety is maintaining 45 mph due to small thin spots and current.
My 550 voyageur can skip 250 yards of open water (don't ask how I know)
While I generally limit it to 10 yards, or small thin ice spots, what is the 600s water jumping ability given I would get it in the 16" track?
Anyone?
We have an old skandic 600 wt two stroke, and when running deep water on ice it gives me zero confidence in its water jumping ability. That wide track seems to drag you down... I water-skip my Expo Sport w/600 ACE all the time, even when I don't have to, just to keep people from following my trail,... it does just fine, better than a SWT, which wants to twist around sideways alot more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXibuC2wB3UWelcome back Dave! Nice shot of you skipping your Expedition in the intro.
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Re: Exp. Sport in 600 vs 900 ACE questions
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Ive owned both the 600 expedition and currently own a 900expedition both in sport model So 16” track I certainly wouldn’t want the 600 if I was going to be doing any extensive water skipping love the 900 has plenty of power but sometimes wonder how I would like the wide track plan to test drive a buddies this winter and see what differences are may try to find a skandik wide to try as well I quite often have a lot of water on top of ice and snow to run on when it gets warm and the 900 does fine the 600 often had the pucker factor going As previously mentioned the 900 do seem a bit more top heavy at least the 16” one is compared to the 600
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Re: Exp. Sport in 600 vs 900 ACE questions
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Aybody try the 1200. A trapper here had one a few years ago,on one of our fieldtrips,real beast but heavy.
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Welcome back Dave! Nice shot of you skipping your Expedition in the intro.
Yea, welcome back. Miss seeing you in church in KL. Hi from Mike and Sherri.
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Re: Exp. Sport in 600 vs 900 ACE questions
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600 will do you just fine even with a 600 you don't even have to hit the throttle and the thing does 90. I think a 900 would be WAY to much power. If you don't need a insane amount of power a 600 should do you plenty good!
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Re: Exp. Sport in 600 vs 900 ACE questions
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I personally own the Skandic WT with 600Ace and did really well water skipping if you were up to speed when you hit the water. Never once thought the 600 Ace was under powered until getting on it after riding my 900 Aces. That being said the 600 did all I asked it to do. I also own an Expedition sport with 900 Ace and Expedition LE with 900 Ace. The sport, I geared down as it doesn’t have low range. Does really well towing big loads and very comfortable to drive. IMO the 16” wide track on the Sport is much easier to handle than the 20” or 24” tracks on the WT and SWT for someone without much experience or not ridiculously deep snow. My 900 Aces start much easier in the cold than the 600 Ace does but none of mine start at -30 F. I believe my 600 gets a little better fuel economy than the 900’s. A lot depends upon what you’re asking your machines to do and i ask a lot of mine.
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Re: Exp. Sport in 600 vs 900 ACE questions
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Both are very good machines tho.
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I have a skandic SWT 900 ACE. And really like it. The SWT isn't for everyone, they are not a good sidehill machine, but when you need to break trail in really deep, nasty stuff they can't be beat. In my opinion there is no need for a turbo, I pull a sled with mine all the time and it will spin out that big track before it bogs down every time. The skandic is narrower, fits between trees better and not nearly as many places for tag alders and brush to hang up in on the Pogo's versus the a arm and coilspring front end of the Expeditions. On the flip side the Expedition is more stable (not as tippy) and supposedly (I haven't rode one on a log trip) more comfortable to ride on long trips with their front end. Thanks for the reply I seem to be leaning towards the skandic. The tundra I have is pretty tippy compared to the skandic we have. But the more I ride them the better, I just need a little more experience. And I don't want to waste money on something that I don't need.
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