Re: Hanson Bait
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No, I assume he's referring to Ron Hansons Coon Bait. Made famous by Red O'Hearn.
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Re: Hanson Bait
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must be some awfully smart coons down there in missouri.got some dumb ones up here, you can catch them with anything. unless your a seedy secret lure recipe salesman.
I did not surrender either, but my horse did, I think he is pulling a wagon in Missouri.
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Re: Hanson Bait
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Nope, same coons as those up there as down here. Real stupid and easy, & can catch them on about anything.
But since most locations have more than 1 trapper there. And say he's using a piece of fish, corn, cat food, etc. I want the bait that gives off the best appeal to the coon that he's going to check out MY set before the others. A sweet, "loud" screams to the coon, "come here", get caught here so I can take you home and not the other 2 or 3 guys under the bridge.
I think a guy that goes by "Braveheart" on the Coyotes R Us forum is going to be there selling some of Ron's baits. Double Strength. Don't quote me on that though.
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Re: Hanson Bait
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Nick, Thanks for that clarification! The names were similar.
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Re: Hanson Bait
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According to a VERY big numbers coon guy. The prepared baits if made correctly will out produce chunked fish on coons anyday of the week. And NO he doesn't sell bait.
I agree. However Hanson's recipe, though very good, is not the best out there. I like a sticky bait like it but I like a louder smell as well. IMO his recipe needs a few things added. Red's recipe needs even more stuff added IMO. They will both catch coons though...
Another thing, if you follow Hanson's recipe, it'll cost you quite a bit money wise. There are cheaper things that work as well to get the desired end result. Again, just my opinion.
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Re: Hanson Bait
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have any of you actually checked out Mike's(thats red for those of you who don't know him) bait? It is a great bait and will work in almost any coon trapping situation. Why not just buy a gallon of his bait and use it? I mean if you catch 2 or 3 coon it has paid for itself. If you need I will pm you his contact info so you can buy it. I've used it. It does catch coons, but there are other baits that are better in MY opinion. I know there are some people who would not buy bait from him for other reasons as well, that I will NOT get into. ~ADC~
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Re: Hanson Bait
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What I'm saying is by the time you spend $50 on the formula and then buy the supplies to make the bait, and they are not cheap, you've got a lot of $$ wrapped up in it.There are a lot of recipes out there that work as well without such a large investment. SA I understand that you are a fan of Hansens and Reds baits, good for you, they work good, all I'm saying is a guy can pile up a heck of a lot of coon without dropping a $100 on a recipe and the supplies to make it. There are NO secret baits that out preform others that much to justify spending that much on a formula! Troy
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Re: Hanson Bait
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$50 ain't nothing for a bait or lure formula. Trouble with trappers are they are cheap skates. Some people just like to collect formulas. I have Hansen's formula, I got it from braveheart. Their is no comparison to the bait he makes and the one Red peddles at conventions. I also got a history lesson about how it came to be the bait it is and in the process I made a new friend that knows his stuff on lure and bait making along with trapping. $50 was cheap to me. As far as making it cheaply. You can crank out a gallon of the super strength stuff for about $25 a gallon. When I tested it I took 300 coon off two gallons of it. A teaspoon of bravehearts mix will out call a cup of Reds commercial mix. Just my .02
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Re: Hanson Bait
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$50 ain't nothing for a bait or lure formula. Trouble with trappers are they are cheap skates. Some people just like to collect formulas. I have Hansen's formula, I got it from braveheart. Their is no comparison to the bait he makes and the one Red peddles at conventions. I also got a history lesson about how it came to be the bait it is and in the process I made a new friend that knows his stuff on lure and bait making along with trapping. $50 was cheap to me. As far as making it cheaply. You can crank out a gallon of the super strength stuff for about $25 a gallon. When I tested it I took 300 coon off two gallons of it. A teaspoon of bravehearts mix will out call a cup of Reds commercial mix. Just my .02 How does a guy get his hands on the formula you got from braveheart?
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Re: Hanson Bait
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he does something somewhat special to it but nothing that anyone making it couldn't or shouldn't do.
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Re: Hanson Bait
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he does something somewhat special to it but nothing that anyone making it couldn't or shouldn't do. He makes it with LOVE!! LOL You can't put a price on love! OOHHHH Wait a second! You can its $50!! LMAO!! Troy
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Re: Hanson Bait
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No he makes it different than the stuff Red peddles. I guess if you think $50 dollars is high for a formula then thats your choice. Don't slam the guy if you don't know him. I would put him up against anyone in the lure biz.
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Re: Hanson Bait
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I would put him up against anyone in the lure biz. The guy may or may not make a good coon bait? A GREAT luremaker is a master of all furbearers! So he must sell a $50 bobcat,fisher,red fox,gray fox,weasel,coyote,badger,beaver,'rat,martin,wolf,lynx,etc... formula Now its starting to add up!! LOL Troy
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Re: Hanson Bait
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Most of the greats dont WANT to be known. Just becuz a guy dont go out an promote himself dont mean he dont know what is doin. You dont have to give demos write articles and sell dvds to be a great trapper and lure maker
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Re: Hanson Bait
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Any fool can take fish oil and catch a coon. But those that have STUDIED coon and coon behavior know there are a few key ingreidents that are far more attractive than the run of the mill anise and fish oil stuff.
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Re: Hanson Bait
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Boy! When the market screams coon everybody becomes a coon trapper!! Stick with what you already know and you can pile them high enough! From my experince when you hear that a certain fur is hot your already to late!! Troy
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Re: Hanson Bait
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Its less than a tank of gas. Its far from a arm an leg anything you even compare to a tank of gas is pretty darn close to an arm and a leg...ive got a cheaper solution, go dig some worms and go catch some fish, then make some fish oil ( or even buy some, its still not 50$) and then use some for bait...if you put it where theres coon sign (if you did your scouting) it will catch any coon in the area, I GUARANTEE that no coon will care how much what hes about to eat, cost..
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Re: Hanson Bait
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For the Record, I've never cared what someone else spends their own $50 on.
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Re: Hanson Bait
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SA I understand that you are a fan of Hansens and Reds baits, good for you, they work good, all I'm saying is a guy can pile up a heck of a lot of coon without dropping a $100 on a recipe and the supplies to make it. I personally never tried either baits, I have smelled mike's and I knew from that moment that I could easily duplicate it. If I had the extra $50 I would buy the Hansen formula just to have it. As some of you know I sell a lure recipe book, and whoever said trappers are cheapskates is right. I sell the book for a measly $10 and I always have someone gripe that it is too high, lol. now my book has over 300 different recipes in it whats that make it, about .03 each. Dang trappers are really cheap.
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Re: Hanson Bait
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Boy! When the market screams coon everybody becomes a coon trapper!! Stick with what you already know and you can pile them high enough! From my experince when you hear that a certain fur is hot your already to late!! Troy You got that right. I was a coon trapper back when a dozen coon would sell for $20 total. and I will be a coon trapper when they are cheap again. I personally have been trying to become a better canine trapper, I can catch a coon any day, now canines are a real challenge.
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Re: Hanson Bait
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Re: Hanson Bait
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Thanks Bristleback. I don't know a whole lot but I know when there are four guys under a bridge that if all you are packing is fish oil you ain't gonna fair too well. Braveheart doesn't make 50 lures or baits but what he does make will work and work very well. He makes a beaver lure that will blow your doors off. Is the formula for sale? NOPE is the lure for sale? maybe if you talked sensibly to him and wasn't his direct competition. You can ask Bristleback or Grandpa and they would probably pay $50 bucks just to pick his brain for an afternoon. I would......
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Re: Hanson Bait
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I just widdled and diddled a bit over the expressions in this thread - without paying too much deliberate attention. Only because I do not understand why I do not understand the clinically exposed diagnostics for cranial-rectal inversion over raccoon "bait."
I never met Hanson - do not know a thing about him, or who chartered and acquired his recipes. I own that, at age 66, in the embrace of default in a tenthousandIgiveashit attitude as an elder.
For whatever reasons you Hanson advocates, et al, and transferences of this gift to bait/lure secret science for raccoons have buried in your misplaced testosterone, has me in total suspense.
Has wayward addiction in the gravity of this nonsense echo given any of you apostles and prophets credentials and pedigree, without papers, to push this notion that far into marketing magic (so convinced) into a dollar figure that hovers in the embrace of cost-benefit ratios without a patent, license or permit?
The last time I looked, the raccoons in my neighborhood, over trapping them for 58 years, in four states and in Canada, were not that evolutionarily advanced to be attracted to non other than the basics as such interred in the Arhcives on this portal.
Here are a few more that do not appear on loan from that revenue of raccoon bait collateral that I have gleaned over the years. I do not personally need raccoon, or use, bait in my blind set for them - no pockets involved either.
All of these recipes gleaned from members here (without citation) were entries into my extensive trapping library - cobbled and not edited. They were let out without secrets in their vocabulary. Non of the donors were apostles or prophets hiding their best "recipes" for raccoon trapping success.
I'll have to admit, my quill was poised before this ink well dipping. But, in the interim of this trace, I was having my third bout with male menopause as a trapping addict since 1952. I do not know much about the trapping religions or cults exposed in the show and tell of these threads expressed by the preachers and missionaries - I am a trapping agnostic in this regard, even though I was born Catholic.
One thing that I covet, since the day I was hatched, is to honor and respect the philosophical weavings while on life's loom to honor and respect the otherness of others.
Hanson dudes and dudettes, I wish you well on your journey. I found my way without Hanson and Grettle hiding under the blanket of Madison Avenue hype. Help yourselves. My "religion" does not fit yours. End of the hunt. Do not preach yours on me, and I will reciprocate in kind.
You can find a few basics in the follow below in the ink stains I just left behind me. Enjoy the unhidden ride.
For those of you who recognize your "secret," non-Hanson recipe, kindly chime in and identify yourself.
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1. Chunk fish into 2'" squares (No Guts) 2. Add sodium benzoate preservative - i cup to gallon of stock 3. add 1-1.5 cups of fish oil per gallon 4. add your favorite lure (1oz) to each gallon of bait
Squirt some fish oil around the set.
Put 2-3 chunks per set. __________________________________________________________ Get a gallon of fish oil ... add ... 1oz Spearmint oil ... 1oz anise ... 1 bottle Colgin's liquid smoke ... and a little glycerine. __________________________________________________________ Cheap canned fishy catfood mixed with a little water in which is boiled flavor packs out of the shrimp top ramen noodles. Thinking of throwing in some lobster extract this year, just to make it gourmet coon food. __________________________________________________________ an easy to make lure 3/4 jar of old or leftover bee-jay catfish dough bait add 4 tablespoons of fish oil add 1/2 tsp of pure skunk quill (musk)
Stir well and let sit for a couple of months prior to use. Will nab coon, fox, mink, and cats, and probaly some others. Last year I used bacon grease as the base, mixed in peanut butter, honey, vanilla extract and fish oil. This made a nice paste. It smelled so good I wanted to eat it! lol!! I used it in dirt holes and cubby sets mostly. The nice thing about it is you can smear it anywhere. It was my best coon and grey fox bait by a long shot!
3.5 qt. ground suckers about 2 pints corn syrup 3 oz. fox urine 3 oz. fish oil From ASA: Personally, I would add a hint of something else sweet along with the corn syrup. Choices might be honey, vanilla, anise oil, spearmint oil, peppermint oil and numerous other oils and extracts. Ace
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Several years ago I made a lure-bait combo with corn as a base and boy did that bring the coons.
If you have dairy farmers near by that have High Moisture shell Corn, get yourself about 3-4 gallons of this. The fermented corn already has a strong odor. Put the HMSC in a 5 gallon plasctic pail and cover with water for say 2-3 weeks during the summer. It will get even more loud. I then drained the excess water off and ground this stuff up and mixed in 4 cans of mackeral, 2 quarts of livestock molassis and melted some cheap hard fragrant candy and mixed it all together and used about an ounce at each set.
Bryce (Wisconsin) __________________________________________________________ Sweet and smokey fish bait:
2 large (10lb and up) pressure cooked and bones removed 12 oz molasas dark 2 oz liquid smoke grind fish into bucket add molasas and smoke stir well add 2 cups pickeling salt and mix well
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made like 2 gal. of it. 5-7 lb of ground ocean fish 2/3 gal. fish oil 4oz shellfish oil 1/3 gal mineral oil (for antifreeze) 2 cups pickling salt (for cure and will help antifreeze too) mix w/ a drywall paddle and a 1/2" drill (make sure you use a 1/2" drill too, we burned up a 3/8" drill mixing this stuff. LOL it works pretty good ____________________________________________________________
3 cans jack mackerel 3 cans sardines 3 cans tuna moist cat food 1/2 oz shellfish oil 1/4 oz beaver castor __________________________________________________________ coon .... 2 oz. fish oil .... 1/2 oz. beaver castor .... 5 drops oil of anise .... 1 oz. honey
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Mix equal parts of honey, fish oil, and bacon grease. I add 1 ounce of muskrat glands to every 16 ounces of the mixed bait. It is best to heat the ingredients so they will mix better. This is done BEFORE adding the muskrat glands. Add glands afterwards while mixture is still runny. Add vaseline if you want to make it even more weather resistant. I hope this helps! Note: This is an excellent bait even without the muskrat glands, but the glands improve it even more.
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You'll do far better to cut some apples in 1/2 inch chunks and mix with sugar and vanilla in a plastic bag. Set two traps about 18 inches apart in rippling water just under the surface. Then spread a handful of apple pieces around the traps. Set the apple pieces on stones or whatever you can to prevent them from floating down stream. You can set some baseball size rocks in the area to set the apple on. __________________________________________________________
If you put 2 oz. of shellfish oil in a 16 oz. squirt bottle, and fill the rest of the bottle with fish oil...you have a pretty good coon lure that is squeezable and easy to use. __________________________________________________________
If you mix a few ounces of a sweet or fruity OIL SOLUBLE essential oil in vegetable oil you will have the same thing in a sweet odor. __________________________________________________________
Choice for coon is take 1 gallon of fish oil ...take 24oz out of it....pour a pint of crawdad oil in it and pour a 4 oz bottle of shellfish oil in it and top it off with a 4 oz bottle of Cavens Moonshine or Tom Mirandas "ringtails choice" (theyre like the same lure but different name) ___________________________________________________________ I made one this year with peanut butter, fish oil and lemon juce. If you want smelly try that. its ez and cheep. you can smell it when you walk up to your traps. You open the lid and it hits you in the face. its kind of like gusto. ___________________________________ Get a jar of marshmellow creme for your base it costs about 1 dollar. It smells very sweet and is very sticky, sticks to anything and stays there. You can mix in anything you want to make it smell different I use honey and vanilla and it is an absolute coon killer the perfect smear bait. But anise oil, fish oil or sardines etc will also work. Be creative, you can put anything in it you think will attract coons. _________________________________ Four cans Jack Mackeral (drain all the juice), Two cans fish flavored cat food, 1/2 pint honey, 1 tsp. liquid smoke, and 2 tsp. spearmint. Great coon bait until it gets bitterly cold. Then 1 cup of salt needs to be added. Very similar to Red's. Hope this helps ya out. Dave
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Re: Hanson Bait
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Looks like you have been paying attention Jonathon.
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Re: Hanson Bait
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Jonathan I take it by your post that you mainly blind set coon? If thats the case I can guarantee you that your missing ALOT of coon.
Braveheart and Buckfreak are both top notch trappers....I would wager that Braveheart has had DAYS on his line that he has caught more coon and mink that 90% of the people posting on this forum have caught in their WHOLE SEASON.
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Re: Hanson Bait
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Well done Jona-hanson-than! How much do we owe you? LOL Troy
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Re: Hanson Bait
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I myself have been watching this thread for some time as well, it amazes me the people unwilling to spend money on a excellent bait to make money. The key is when you trap a spot like IA, which I have for many years before moving to MN. It is nothing to have 4 or more coon trappers under one bridge, trail sets will not do it, and baited sets won't on there own either it takes a combination as well as a TOP end bait something the coon ache for. Any coon along a riverbank can find a fish or crawdad. Along with something else I will spend @ $100 on coon bait this fall. How much will you all spend gas to catch bait, freezer space, as well as time and effort to grind or cut. Of course, for some they have the fish in their back yard and plenty of time. But $100 to catch 300 coon @ 25-30 dollar avg on most years or more and no hassle and covers around 300-400 sets. Sounds like a great deal. Just my 2cents. To each is own so what you feel works for you I have no judgement here. But do not judge me as well
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Re: Hanson Bait
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Hummmm trapping since 1952, trapping addict for 58 years.....trapped 4 states and in Canada..WOW, very impressive, no really I'm very impressed....and you've never heard of "Hanson"........where ya been hiding?
You don't need, pockets, bait, lure...etc.....Do you use a trap? Sorry couldn't pass that up, LOL
Cult, religion, nah.
Is there a SUPER SECRET lure, bait, set....absolutely not....do some things work better than "other, very general infromation"...absolutely....if folks don't know, see the difference...well, I wish them well, and just stick to blind setting coon....I know the 800-2000-2500 A SEASON coonmen only blind set for coon.....YA RIGHT...LOL They don't need bait, lure, pockets etc...
BTW, Buckfreak makes, IMHO the absolute best LDC, stays put and is workable down to ? below zero..awesome stuff......and I've tried many many different LDC's.........Oh that's right J, no need for Buckfreaks LDC......just warm up some vasoline and add some skunk and there you have it...LDC.......LOL and, how many knew Buckfreak even sold, made lure? Good day.
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Re: Hanson Bait
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Bristleback, I don't sell it!!LOL I like to play around with lures and baits. I also like to pick top notch trappers brains. I don't like to read loqacious run on posts about drivel. YEP I can use them .25 cent words too. Everyone acts like braveheart or myself are trying to peddle bait. Nope. I do sell some to people. I have gave away as much or more bait and lure than I ever sold. On the LDC yep it works and only two people have the recipe and neither will tell it or sell it. Reading Jonathans post on baits makes me wonder how many coon these guys are catching with these recipes? I caught one once on some cheetos, but wouldn't want to rely on them for 500 coon. I also use ground and chunk fish but to keep consistent catches if you don't move all the time you need to change baits about every 5-8 days. There thats my last .02 on it.
You learn more by listening than you do talking
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: JD Rogge]
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07/16/08 12:21 PM
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JDRogge,you are right you can take a pile of coon with snares, I wish in minnesota we could use from day 1, but we cannot. But when in IA I could take a pile of coon in snares. BTW used to be from your neck of the woods.
"NR trapping, what a concept accepting those who have supported us"
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Re: Hanson Bait
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07/16/08 07:52 PM
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Midwestern coons must be a whole lot smarter than eastern coons........ I can' wait till they start talking coyotes! We'll have to bait them with ribeyes! LOL Troy
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Re: Hanson Bait
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07/16/08 07:59 PM
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Midwestern coons must be a whole lot smarter than eastern coons........ I was gonna say the same..
...Sarah Palin's picture used with permission of Charles.
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Re: Hanson Bait
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07/16/08 08:32 PM
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Ill give 50 dollars for it tonight! No questions asked Damien
Don't Tell Lies.... There is less to remember!
R.I.P. Indian Larry... Riding your Famous Grease Monkey Chopper in the sky!!!
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Re: Hanson Bait
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07/16/08 08:43 PM
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I have quite a few of Ron Hansons or Nelsons formulas however you would like to refer to them. His bait solution one is incredible. However like most people have stated they can be uneconomical to make for yourself. One thing about competition with coon trappers especially here in northeast iowa or anywhere in the us any edge a guy can have is very helpful even if coons are only worth 5 dollars. It is a rush to look down and have a coon and the other guy has a set trap. Damien
Don't Tell Lies.... There is less to remember!
R.I.P. Indian Larry... Riding your Famous Grease Monkey Chopper in the sky!!!
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Re: Hanson Bait
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07/16/08 08:58 PM
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$115 and my 1st born son!! Final offer!! The wifes not going to be happy with this one!! But think of all those coons fighting for MY bait! Its worth it!! Troy
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: Blackdog]
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07/16/08 09:12 PM
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This is the exact reason right here why I quit posting on trapperman.
Don't Tell Lies.... There is less to remember!
R.I.P. Indian Larry... Riding your Famous Grease Monkey Chopper in the sky!!!
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: EmpireBuilder]
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07/16/08 09:16 PM
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Exactly empirebuilder, gets pretty old very quickly.
"NR trapping, what a concept accepting those who have supported us"
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: EmpireBuilder]
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07/16/08 09:17 PM
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This is the exact reason right here why I quit posting on trapperman. RELAX dude, theyre having fun, i cant blame them after all the hype of this bait that will make those smart Iowa coons run right to their sets, ill miss the 12 posts you made either way...
...Sarah Palin's picture used with permission of Charles.
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: Blackdog]
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07/16/08 09:17 PM
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Hey buzz and dog. Just how many attractants have you put in front of live coon and watched their reaction during every period of the year? I guarentee your having more coon than you think pass up sets with only mildly attractive baits and or lures. Coon dont have to be smart to know what they want to investigate most of the time and what they want to investigate some of the time to seldom.
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: waterfordcooner]
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07/16/08 09:19 PM
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This is the exact reason right here why I quit posting on trapperman. RELAX dude, theyre having fun, i cant blame them after all the hype of this bait that will make those smart Iowa coons run right to their sets, ill miss the 12 posts you made either way... "Hype" Have you, personally, on your trapline ever used it? If so how many coons did you and did you not catch while using? "Smart" Show me one Iowa trapper that said coon were smart? I think it's been summed up that about anything will catch coon. But it's proven some things work better than others.
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: waterfordcooner]
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07/16/08 09:20 PM
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I knew someone would say that. I was a member forever and lost my password. I didnt worry too much about it for the longest time because of some of the posts on here, then decided to join again made a few posts and mostly just watch all the talk. I seen this though and decided to make a post.
Damien
Don't Tell Lies.... There is less to remember!
R.I.P. Indian Larry... Riding your Famous Grease Monkey Chopper in the sky!!!
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: EmpireBuilder]
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07/16/08 09:21 PM
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This is the exact reason right here why I quit posting on trapperman. Its gonna be hard here without ya! I've learned sooo much from your posts! All 10 of them! Thank you for making me a little wiser!
Just ask your mommy...
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: Blackdog]
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07/16/08 09:23 PM
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Well apparently you have a lot to learn to think that certain lures cannot out perform other lures. Maybe you should do a little more listening Damien
Don't Tell Lies.... There is less to remember!
R.I.P. Indian Larry... Riding your Famous Grease Monkey Chopper in the sky!!!
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: Blackdog]
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07/16/08 09:23 PM
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EmpireBuilders used to post quite a bit a long while ago, and was really an asset to the Trapperman forums. Another guy that could out trap 90% of the people posting here, including myself.
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Re: Hanson Bait
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07/16/08 09:24 PM
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This is the exact reason right here why I quit posting on trapperman. RELAX dude, theyre having fun, i cant blame them after all the hype of this bait that will make those smart Iowa coons run right to their sets, ill miss the 12 posts you made either way... "Hype" Have you, personally, on your trapline ever used it? If so how many coons did you and did you not catch while using? nope never have, probably never will...our coons in the east are just too dumb, they still fall for the fish...im gunna stop posting on this topic before something bad happens...sorry if ive offended anyone, thats just my thoughts...
...Sarah Palin's picture used with permission of Charles.
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: waterfordcooner]
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07/16/08 09:26 PM
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Something bad happens ha ha like what. Thanks Nick I still have a lot to learn. Damien
Don't Tell Lies.... There is less to remember!
R.I.P. Indian Larry... Riding your Famous Grease Monkey Chopper in the sky!!!
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: EmpireBuilder]
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07/16/08 09:26 PM
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Damiem, I'm just playin around! Don't take it personal! Its all in fun, give some take some! Troy
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Re: Hanson Bait
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07/16/08 09:35 PM
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I know its all in fun and in reality I use fresh fish 95% of the time on my trapline. But to sit here and try to say coons wont walk right by fish is crazy too. A great lure will out perform at times and also is a lot more convenient. Put a piece of fish in your coat pocket and scurry down the ditch.
Don't Tell Lies.... There is less to remember!
R.I.P. Indian Larry... Riding your Famous Grease Monkey Chopper in the sky!!!
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Re: Hanson Bait
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07/17/08 08:07 PM
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I bopped in with my last ink, not as a "dependent on revenue," professional raccoon trapper, per se. I have caught my share over the years, in the yield of good money at the time, without being very totally focused on them at the time, or ever since.
This thread/post, while in class, has been most important and educational for me in the wake. My secondary post in the dribble of the Hasnson thingy, was predicated on an internal notion: "Are these proponents nuts? What is this fuss all about?
We all own our own respective bliss and attraction to trapping stuff. This one caught me off guard in the trench of old ways in what little I know.
No apology is in order in my format, only an explanation for my ignorance. Fair enough?
Jonathan
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Re: Hanson Bait
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07/17/08 09:06 PM
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Paul, Thank you for your "tolerance" and delay in snubbing my spontaneous provocations of thought while participating on that Hanson thread. I'll be honest with you. Once in awhile I get a little sloppy, especially in the light of a full moon on approach letting me see my shadow in the dark.
When that happens, I am under its full influence in the creative juices department - I was hatched under it on July 13, 1942 at 1:30 that morning. Over my tour of 66 years hence, the gravitational pull from that electro magnetic gravitational pull significantly alters my behavior - good, bad or indifferent, especially after my attempt to arrest my flawed compass is influenced by my indulgence in rescue - usually a quota of 8-10 pints of beer at the local pub over about 3-4 hours while in session.
Even when sober, my ink dribbled here is unabridged, and not "politically correct" as the world is in the embrace of that sensitive weave - not sure what that ultra sensitivity is all about. Maybe I am too old to gork that part.
Anyway, thank you for your kind considerations in the traces. It is perfectly okay to be flawed - we all own it while in residence on this planet, as long as we do not bash, get mean, toxic and nasty out of disrespect for the the otherness of others. My burp was marginal in every poke and drop to color with my chalk - way outside of the lines.
Jonathan
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: Jonathan]
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07/17/08 09:22 PM
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Buzzy, I invented "409," but have never used it since I got it patented to rub anything with since - that was big bucks for the short term.
My go to cleaners in the house are WD-40, Comet, rubbing alcohol, hydrogen peroxide, Old English and Avon's Skin So Soft.
Never made much money after my patent ran out - the Chinese inhaled that opportunity without asking. Can you imagine? That was repulsive to me, but after that I still change my own diapers on my schedule, not theirs. And, I pee alot after my cancerous prostate gland was thugged 9 years ago. It all Depends on how one one looks at life while on the trail!
Jonathan
Camera Gear: Canon EOS 7D-MK-II, Canon EF-S 10-22mm, EF 28-135mm, EF 100-400mm and EF 400mm lenses.
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Re: Hanson Bait
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07/17/08 09:23 PM
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Jonathan, in the true spirit of Trapperman, I'll agree with you, but be careful about which color chalk you use. Some may think it is too bright, or too dull, or too muted, or phyriesadellic. But also in the true spirit of those who post on Trapperman, I'll have to tell you that your obsession with the pull of the full moon is spooky and people need to give this wide berth when considering derogatory comments.
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: 1st RiverRat]
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07/17/08 11:08 PM
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Good to see you back on here Damien (Empirebuilders). You give QUALITY information without a doubt. I would urge all of you, at least those who are my competition, to never listen to Braveheart If you live within 50 miles of my house all information that Braveheart will give you is BAD information Now go buy some hot dogs and trap some coyotes.
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: k9.]
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07/18/08 04:06 PM
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Thanks k9 i am going to try and be on here more often. It seems in the past i would only get on during the season but ill try my best to change that Damien
Don't Tell Lies.... There is less to remember!
R.I.P. Indian Larry... Riding your Famous Grease Monkey Chopper in the sky!!!
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: Dave Plueger]
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07/18/08 08:09 PM
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Buzzy, Of course coons interest change from month to month. Sometimes from day to day. That my friend is elementary. POW WHAMOOO SMACK BANG!!
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: Dave Plueger]
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07/18/08 10:00 PM
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I save all the left over hot dogs from summer weinny roasts and string a thread thru them, hang em in the shed all summer to dry out. Then store in zip lock bags and break off a piece at the set. Hundred of thousands a coon over the years. I used to sell that formula for $100.oo but will share it here free in the spirit of Trapperman!
"Dad gum it" Larry C. RIP
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: Hoppytrapsfur]
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07/18/08 11:25 PM
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One of the things I found interesting about Charlie Dobbins, in fact it changed the way I related to, or treated, other trappers was his willingness to share information. It didn’t matter what the subject was, as long you didn’t try to BS him he was straight up with you.
The only thing I never heard him tell was his lure formulas but he would discuss different ingredients and several times ingredients worked [their] way into conversations regarding other matters. Much to my regret in these later years I didn’t go there, back then I just wasn’t interested in ‘that’.
The willingness to share information on a forum hosted by his son is one of the best tributes that we can give a man that supported and promoted trapping in so many ways.
Ace Lenon has shown he shares Charlie’s philosophy with his many posts no few of which concerned different ingredients and their attractiveness to different animals.
Scott Huber used to do the same, one of which comes to mind was minty smells for babcat.
I have seen Mr. Pedersen comment with regard to different ingredients and preparation methods.
Way back in the beginning of the forum, before his free time was vacuumed up, Paul Dobbins commented on different ingredients and posted some formulas.
These gentlemen did not allude to some ingredients that were superior, or inferior, they named them.
If one wants to make a point regarding the efficacy of certain ingredients they should have the confidence to name them and let the legions of trappers that read those boards put them to the test.
If you’re gonna talk the talk walk the walk.
For example, as simple as it may seem, beaver castor is deadly on raccoons (and bobcats).
Beaver castor beaver castor beaver castor beaver castor
Fish. Oily Fish. Use a big chunk, gob or smear, the size of your fist. I learned this from Bud Hall – a big bait makes a big smell. You are wasting gas if you are putting a little bit of plain fish down.
Fish with beaver castor mixed such that one time you smell it - you smell the fish kinda sweet, the next time you smell it - you smell the castor kinda fishy.
Peru Balsam is a good fixative and cranks a raccoons tail.
I got some stuff in Chem lab, benzaldahyde, that seemed to really pull them in but the scent didn’t last.
Muskrat glands – really what needs to be said? At $8 coons too expensive, at $40 coons ??? Muskrat glands or castor I have found to be a year round attractant to raccoons though there are a couple others I think are more effective during breeding season.
Mike Marsyada’s coyote gland lure is death on raccoons during breeding season.
Jim Helfrich had a bobcat gland lure that a raccoon would work to get at during breeding season.
Nick Wyshinski had this urine/gland mixture that was very effective during breeding season.
Shellfish oil. I found that shellfish oil that was diluted was extremely effective. But again back in the beginning of time the smell of uncut shellfish didn’t last that long if it was stored in a plastic bottle.
Carboxlic Acid – the stuff bee keepers used to use, after I was told about this I got some from a beekeeper that wasn’t keeping anymore.
Phenylacetic Acid I believe it is ‘related’ to Cabroxlic Acid.
Civet – this stuff is death on coons and canines.
Valerian Oil - all yeah baby, this is good stuff
I mentioned the above lure makers only because those are the ones with which I had experience and it is not meant to be a reflection of any sort on those not mentioned.
Last edited by Heimbrock; 07/18/08 11:30 PM. Reason: cain't spail
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: trapper addict]
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07/19/08 12:35 AM
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Heimbrock, Now theres some of the good stuff!! Thanks for an excelent post! Kinda like "the shot heard round the world"! Troy
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: Heimbrock]
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07/29/08 09:50 AM
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Shellfish oil. I found that shellfish oil that was diluted was extremely effective. But again back in the beginning of time the smell of uncut shellfish didnt last that long if it was stored in a plastic bottle.
Are you sure about that? I have some shellfish oil that has been stored in the plastic bottle it came in 5 years ago, stored at room temp and it is still as strong as the first day I opened it. I think it all depends on what it is cut with. Alot of suppliers cut shellfish with fish oil, this is a death sentence to the shellfish oil. My dad has a bottle of "shellfish oil" he bought a year ago and stored the same way as the stuff I got for him 5 years ago, same stuff as mine, The stuff he bought last year smells just like fish oil while the other bottle is still as strong as ever. I don't know the best oil to cut shellfish oil but I think it would probably be olive oil, peanut oil, ot canola oil. Kind of the same concept and skunk essence, mix it with the wrong oil and it won't last more than a few months.
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: snaringamerica]
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07/29/08 10:12 AM
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wish i could find a lure they didnt like when i BOBCAT trapping.
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: CharlesKS]
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07/29/08 10:19 AM
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At least this year they will be worth catching Charles...maybe.
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Re: Hanson Bait
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07/29/08 10:22 AM
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CharlesKS
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yup, if they dont spend to much time in the tree holes.
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: Creek Trapper]
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07/29/08 12:50 PM
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[quote=Creek Trapper I am with Heimbrock....why not share some of your knowledge? Oh that's right if you tell one guy your secret lure then the word will spread and then everyone in the country will be using it. But if it is so good as claimed then shouldn't it continue to work equally as well? [/quote]
Well obviously these lures are so superior to everything else out there that if they became general knowledge the fur market would quickly become so flooded that no one could sell thier furs. So you see it's better for everyone if these lures are kept top secret.
Poor people have poor ways.
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Re: Hanson Bait
[Re: Creek Trapper]
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07/29/08 12:57 PM
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ADC
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I don't get why everything on here has to be a competition. "So and so can out trap 95% of everyone on here", umm....okay..congratulations??
"I have done so much testing on this animal that it would blow your mind away. You have no idea how good I am. There are so many different scents I have found that are gold on coon that no-one else would even think about." Good job, I'm glad you're dedicated enough to do such extensive testing! Just continue to rub it in our face and not say anything to back it up? Kind of like the 7th grade kid on test day whispering to his peer as he hands in his test "ha ha! I know the answer to number 17 and I'm not going to tell you! Sucks for you!".
I am with Heimbrock....why not share some of your knowledge? Oh that's right if you tell one guy your secret lure then the word will spread and then everyone in the country will be using it. But if it is so good as claimed then shouldn't it continue to work equally as well?
Aren't we as trappers all in this together? The very small population we make up, don't we need to lift each other up and enlighten them on some things?
Yeah okay, tell me I suck and 90% of everyone here could out trap me. It's probably true. I don't care. I'm not in it to set records and make a big name of myself to stroke my ego, but I do know I'm having fun doing what I can. You think lure/bait makers are going to just post their recipes and ingredents on here? You should be greatful for any information you get from some of these guys, they wouldn't have to tell you anything. ~ADC~
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Re: Hanson Bait
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ADC, Greatful? The only thing i'm greatful for is the fact that i'm still above ground! The rest is just cake! Troy
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Re: Hanson Bait
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You think lure/bait makers are going to just post their recipes and ingredents on here?
~ADC~ No, not in the least bit. That's not what I'm getting at. Even if it were so, I can almost guarantee you that alot of the ingredients involved in many lures would not be easily attainable to the average joe and the time taken to process and render or rot down or taint or age or whatever would not be worth it, and it would still be just as easy and cost effective to buy from the original maker. It's just this "I'm better than you and I'm going to let it be known" gets my goat every time. Gloating ticked me off back in 3rd grade and it still does today. Maybe it's just me and the way I read posts and ads and claims, I don't know. Carry on.
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Re: Hanson Bait
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You think lure/bait makers are going to just post their recipes and ingredents on here?
~ADC~ No, not in the least bit. That's not what I'm getting at. Even if it were so, I can almost guarantee you that alot of the ingredients involved in many lures would not be easily attainable to the average joe and the time taken to process and render or rot down or taint or age or whatever would not be worth it, and it would still be just as easy and cost effective to buy from the original maker. It's just this "I'm better than you and I'm going to let it be known" gets my goat every time. Gloating ticked me off back in 3rd grade and it still does today. Maybe it's just me and the way I read posts and ads and claims, I don't know. Carry on. OK, I guess I read your post wrong as well. I can see where it looks like some of these posts are bragging but for the most part I'm seeing honesty and truthfulness. It's hard to know for sure though through a computer screen, that's why they get the benifit of the doubt from me. Carry on. ~ADC~
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Re: Hanson Bait
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lol
I respect your decision. You deserve to treat Bruce. Bruce is good to you.
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Re: Hanson Bait
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Wow. And I hadn't looked at this post since it was on page one.s
waterfordcooner .... what's the 17 behind your location? (oh, yeah, I know age doesn't mean anything) but if that does represent your age ... I feel for you, you know it all already, and have nothing else to learn. If that doesn't represent your age, I still feel the same.
EmpireBuilder and "his 10 posts"...he's one of the guys from towards the beginning of this forum. I fully conceptualize his posts don't near number those of yours ... and that proves?????
I don't have even 200 so, I'm sure I'm a nobody too, and shouldn't be listened to. Great premise on things you have.
I'm pretty sure this topic began because of a reason that a prepared bait can be a good thing, and the guy was interested in getting it. Some, set in their ways will stick to fish, some .. fish and fishoil, some fish and fishoil/shellfish mixture. That's fine, they'll catch coon. So, why are some so animated that it's a waste of money to buy a prepared bait? Whatever works for ya, why get worked up enough to try and have everyone else conform to your thoughts?
But, a GOOD bait, WILL catch more! No different than a good lure for canines. Give an animal more options and you'll have better results. Seems to hold for canines, but no so for the measely coon. Apparently canines, and all the mystique around them, emplore some kind of special chemistry that only canines are equipped w/, and thusly a good lure/bait is only used for such. Since they are so special. Can you catch a coyote on a hotdog?
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Re: Hanson Bait
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07/30/08 08:26 AM
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I've browsed trough this post, and bottom line is.... The one thing everyone is forgetting............................. Northern Coon are Smarter than Midwestern Coon....... What kind of Coon lives in a area with no trees???? Sezzzzz
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Re: Hanson Bait
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It is a 135 post thread about the merits of one coon lure over another, and whether there is such a thing.
Personally, I know for a fact a coon will eat anything, including a dirty diaper. When I lived out in the country and had baby grandkids visiting all the time, I learned not to put the dirty diapers in an unclosed container outside. The coons would shred them and have em drug all over the yard.
So there's your secret, unmatched, sure to make you rich, coon bait. Pocket sets baited with dirty diapers.
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Re: Hanson Bait
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Buck!! You let the "SECRET" out of the diaper!! Now I totally expect the market to flood!! Thanks a lot Buck!!LOL Troy
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Re: Hanson Bait
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Hey IAMinker, you bringing the Plat Book?
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Re: Hanson Bait
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One of the things I found interesting about Charlie Dobbins, in fact it changed the way I related to, or treated, other trappers was his willingness to share information. It didn’t matter what the subject was, as long you didn’t try to BS him he was straight up with you.
The only thing I never heard him tell was his lure formulas but he would discuss different ingredients and several times ingredients worked [their] way into conversations regarding other matters. Much to my regret in these later years I didn’t go there, back then I just wasn’t interested in ‘that’.
The willingness to share information on a forum hosted by his son is one of the best tributes that we can give a man that supported and promoted trapping in so many ways.
Ace Lenon has shown he shares Charlie’s philosophy with his many posts no few of which concerned different ingredients and their attractiveness to different animals.
Scott Huber used to do the same, one of which comes to mind was minty smells for babcat.
I have seen Mr. Pedersen comment with regard to different ingredients and preparation methods.
Way back in the beginning of the forum, before his free time was vacuumed up, Paul Dobbins commented on different ingredients and posted some formulas.
These gentlemen did not allude to some ingredients that were superior, or inferior, they named them.
If one wants to make a point regarding the efficacy of certain ingredients they should have the confidence to name them and let the legions of trappers that read those boards put them to the test.
If you’re gonna talk the talk walk the walk.
For example, as simple as it may seem, beaver castor is deadly on raccoons (and bobcats).
Beaver castor beaver castor beaver castor beaver castor
Fish. Oily Fish. Use a big chunk, gob or smear, the size of your fist. I learned this from Bud Hall – a big bait makes a big smell. You are wasting gas if you are putting a little bit of plain fish down.
Fish with beaver castor mixed such that one time you smell it - you smell the fish kinda sweet, the next time you smell it - you smell the castor kinda fishy.
Peru Balsam is a good fixative and cranks a raccoons tail.
I got some stuff in Chem lab, benzaldahyde, that seemed to really pull them in but the scent didn’t last.
Muskrat glands – really what needs to be said? At $8 coons too expensive, at $40 coons ??? Muskrat glands or castor I have found to be a year round attractant to raccoons though there are a couple others I think are more effective during breeding season.
Mike Marsyada’s coyote gland lure is death on raccoons during breeding season.
Jim Helfrich had a bobcat gland lure that a raccoon would work to get at during breeding season.
Nick Wyshinski had this urine/gland mixture that was very effective during breeding season.
Shellfish oil. I found that shellfish oil that was diluted was extremely effective. But again back in the beginning of time the smell of uncut shellfish didn’t last that long if it was stored in a plastic bottle.
Carboxlic Acid – the stuff bee keepers used to use, after I was told about this I got some from a beekeeper that wasn’t keeping anymore.
Phenylacetic Acid I believe it is ‘related’ to Cabroxlic Acid.
Civet – this stuff is death on coons and canines.
Valerian Oil - all yeah baby, this is good stuff
I mentioned the above lure makers only because those are the ones with which I had experience and it is not meant to be a reflection of any sort on those not mentioned. Great post right there, maybe the best on I have ever seen on T-mann.
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