Only takes one, I've been trying to get that thru your head. I hunted at night, some running and you ain't gonna make the perfect shot needed with your 410 every time. Spread isn't a detriment in that regard when one does the trick.

That is impossible jbyrd!!

Hippie, I don't have to make a perfect shot because I have a higher pellet count. Running coyotes are no problem if my shooting ability can keep up. The feller with less pellets has to a better job of aiming than the feller with more pellets

Not with a 410 you dont. Keep telling yourself that.

I shouldn't claim that......how many pellets in A 410 with #2 tss?

#3 tss would be the closest to 4buck

With #3 tss I would have 58 pellets in the 383 stroker load. 17 more than the 4buck load. And I can hold them together much, much better than the lead shot

If you wanted to go down to #2 I would still have 47 pellets and have a higher pellet count than the 12 ga 4 buck, but the #3 tss is a more even comparison based on penetration

Wolfie, if your shots are 10yds or less, then yeah a .410 will kill them with regular dove loads. A pellet gun would kill them at that distance providing you’re a good shot.
If you want to make sure with the .410, then just get some 3” TSS turkey loads. The thing about TSS is the penetration. You can literally body shoot a turkey with TSS and not find a pellet in the breast meat. It will pull a feather completely through with the shot and find it on the skin on the other side. And that’s going through the cartilage as well.
While it was a 20ga I used, I stoned a 125# sow coming straight to me at 34 ranged yards with #9 TSS. Stoned means flipped her over and her feet straight up in the air. A coyote at 15yds coming straight to me did a backflip and was dead when it landed. Pretty sure a .410 at that distance would do the same.

Most certainly anything can be engineered to function within a given set of parameters. But only an arrogant engineer assumes nature knows and stays within parameters.

All is well until the bridge or dam collapses under conditions not expected.

A smart engineer plans for a three to one or better safety margin.

Warrior, if I used a factor of safety of 3 on everything I design the state would put me under the jail for negligent use of government funds

I wasn't aware you were an engineer sir

Same goes for shotshell loading

If I used a factor of 3 times greater than 12ga lead shot on pellet count the shells would be impossible to afford

Army Engineer, ie, just enough hands on operating experience to know that the LT with his degree can't be trusted with a map and compass.

But, yes, being in construction, a civil engineer brother and other experience I don't put much stock in what the formula on paper says. I trust in the field pass or fail results.

In my hands on shooting of the 410, and I love the 410 as my go to squirrel gun, is not capable of consistent results under field conditions for game larger than a squirrel.

Note consistent, as in the type of shots presented at variable unknown angles and distances. Not what can be done under ideal controlled circumstances.

I would completely agree if we were talking about lead shot

What is your field experience with 410 tss loads?

I'd bet I'm over 1000 rounds of tss fired out of my 410

Heck, this season I shot almost 2 cases of 410 tss at waterfowl alone

That is where my experience comes from, and it is further justified by the numbers on paper

I'd be impressed if your field experience were similar

Then explain why you prefer a 28 over the 410 for duck hunting per your previous posts.

We know why, and like I said earlier, to some its a game, to others its just fetch it done.

Because I can shoot a steel/tss duplex load that uses less tss than my 410 loads. Costs less money to shoot, plain and simple

You could shoot lead cheaper.

Yeah and I could kill a lot more ducks over a baited pond with cracked corn too

Now you're talking.

Reading this entire thread has been a hoot. I may have learned something!

Chris

Question coondagger So with 1000 rounds is your barrel paper thin ?
What choke you using ? Full mod xfull

With modern plastic wads the load never touches the barrel.

That’s correct Danny. Jbyrd, for waterfowl I shoot the most open choke I can because tss shoots so dang tight. If you shot a standard modified choke you would be shooting a basketball size pattern at 40 yards, you wouldn’t hit anything. I shoot a Cylinder choke at waterfowl, sometimes an improved cylinder.

For predators and turkeys I shoot the Indian creek turkey chokes. .390 does the best with larger shot, most of my turkey loads like the .385 the best

The barrel has no scarring or negative impact from the tss

https://www.glensoutdoors.com/american-tactical-410-2-5-bbb-buckshot-25-rounds.html - free shipping if you buy a couple boxes Wolfie. Prove them wrong, I dare ya.