And here is where we come full circle

Typical winchester 4 buck runs around 9 or 10 bucks for a box of 5 shells, so $1.80 per shell

I can load the 5/8oz tss load in 410 for right at that or maybe a couple cents less

I am not spending extra money


Like I explained above, there is no additional expense. If I loaded 2 ounces of shot in a 12 gauge then I would have additional expense, but that is just wasting shot

Typically my 12 ga loads are slower than the 410 loads due the volume of shot in the wad slowing the load down. Unless you filled the whole wad up with fillers instead of shot, but then why not just shoot the 410?

If everybody now understands I can have increased performance with a 410 shooting tss over a 12ga shooting lead buckshot for the same price or less I would like to go on with my day

And ill out shoot you with the buckshot, no ifs ands or butts when it comes to predators.

I know a guy who lives in a shotgun only zone for deer hunting. He says all of his hunting buddies and him shoot 20 gauge slugs over 12 gauge. He claims many more advantages with the 20.

This sounds like a challenge! I'm in, tell me when to be there and I will be there. I love showing people what the little guns are capable of. Haven't shot it in front of anyone yet that hasn't become a believer

If there was a shotgun smaller than a 410 I would shoot that so you wouldn't have such a handicap

I won't need the whole shot string to hit like you with a .410, one or two buckshot will do if my aim ain't spot on.

Pattern density and penetration are king, shot string is somewhere way down at the bottom of the list. I have the upper hand in both pattern density and penetration

You are an original, that's for sure!!! lol

Thinking a .410 is better than a 10 or 12 for predator hunting.

It is for little shot, but I'm shooting big stuff. One will do but you don't seem to grasp that.

I'm just hard headed enough to design ways to make things happen that people say are impossible. It's the engineer in me

I have to respectfully disagree. If your aim is off and you get one pellet in the rear end or guts of that coyote you will never see him again. Pattern density wins. Just because your pellets are big doesn't mean you can afford to not have the pattern density to reliably hit the vitals

Whatever,

What's the energy of one of these tss pellets at say 40yds compared to say bb lead at same muzzle velocity .

It is commonly accepted that 3.7" of penetration is required to kill a coyote. Here are some tss numbers at 1300 fps

1 oz TSS #4 shot, 83 pellets, 3.70" of gel penetration at 78.9 yards.
1 oz TSS #3 shot, 66 pellets, 3.70" of gel penetration at 96.8 yards.
1 oz TSS #2 shot, 54 pellets, 3.70" of gel penetration at 115.5 yards.
1 oz TSS #1 shot, 44 pellets, 3.70" of gel penetration at 134.7 yards.
1 oz TSS BB shot, 31 pellets, 3.70" of gel penetration at 175.2 yards.

1-1/2 oz of lead BB shot has about 77 pellets, at 1300 fps and it gets 3.70" of gel penetration at 46.1 yards

How many of those could wolfie get in a 3" .410? Any of those would be devastating on a coyote at the ranges he's talking about.

PS- Make me some!

Here's another test at 3.7 inches coyote hunters figure as needed.



Give me the cheap stuff.

Dear sweet Jesus!! Start another thread !!!

But they are right ! ONE AND ONLY REASON IS RECOIL .., extra weight of the 12 drags it down to 20 gauge ballistics. After sighting in 3 of the new bolt action 20 gauge I wanted one !! But considering I got 10 boxes of Hornady sst in my safe and not a 20 anywhere to be found I didn’t. Of yea paid 6.99 at Dunham for mine . Now they are 19 bucks box

And, I learned #4 buck thru experience, not data.

I'd like to see how many of those #4 buck you could put on a paper plate at 94 yards

Nothing wrong with #4 buck hippie, it will kill much further than it is able to hold together

Make joe Biden look smart !!
You can’t make that happen