Now you are missing the point. Now you need to spend more time more money and take up more space to make an inferior for the job ga do a job it was not ment for. Can you yes but for most people with a life/work time and space demands it make more since to buy a 300$ or less shot gun on a ga you you can walk in any store grab some ammo in a load from what you need to hunt and go hunt.

I can easily kill all the deer I want with a .22 lr dropping them on the spot but it's not the best tool for the job.

I don't like having to drive all the way to the store for my shells when I can make them in my living room

I understand that its not feasible for most people because it requires a special load and knowledge of shotshell ballistics, but to say it isn't possible without sacrificing performance based on the standard of lead shot is simply untrue

I just ran the numbers on loading the tss #2 load. Here are some numbers for you. I found tss shot for $52/pound. I am going to assume Win 296 powder at $36.5/pound last I bought (an 8 pounder). Wads ran me $.03/wad. Primers cost me $65/1000, I bought a case of 5000, so $.065/primer. And just yesterday I paid $50 for 500 once fired 2 1/2 inch AA cases, $.10/case. I have no idea what 3 inch cases go for. That all boils down to $2.32 per shell, $58/box of 25. Now if we want to talk ballistics. With your 34 #2 pellets being thrown out there at 50 to 100 yards where are they going to go? Are you going to tell me that you can reliably put one or more pellets in the right spot to drop your target on the spot and not through the leg muscle, guts, or leg bone? Heck even if you put one or more through the heart/lungs he's going 100 plus yards. It's called pattern density and 34 pellets at ill advised distances just don't cut it for me even if you don't have to contend with any brush or weeds. When you get way out there, there's a lot of air around those critters. Plus shelling out $58 bucks a box of 25 410 shells that may or may not serve there envisioned purpose is just ridiculous.

I shoot a 410 fairly often, a Beretta 686 Silver Pigeon, but just for fun. Do I get involved with any 410 events or tournaments? NO WAY! At my age I don't need the frustration of not crushing almost every target.

Did any of you even read this?

Wolfdog, you can absolutely make it work, the naysayers just don't understand modern shotshell ballistics

Let's break it down

An easy load to load in the TPS 410 wad is the 383 stroker. 383 grains of shot = 0.875 oz

TSS #1 has effective penetration to kill a coyote at 100 yards. It is ballistically superior to #00 buckshot.

TSS #1 has 44 pellets per oz x 0.875 oz = 38 pellets

A 10ga 3-1/2" load of #00 Buckshot has 18 pellets

Another easy load in 410 is a 5/8oz load of tss

Even going to TSS #2 with this load you would have no problem killing coyotes and crazy ranges

TSS #2 has 54 pellets per oz x 0.625oz = 34 pellets

The only thing limiting the 410 with these large pellet sizes is the wad diameter. Even if you can't fit the full 383 grains I guarantee I can fit more pellets than the 10ga with #00 buck.

Enjoy doing things with your 410 that a 10 gauge can't wolfdog!

Compare the SAME size shot in a 410 and a 20 . 20 out performs in the field. BIG difference than a ballistics chart you pull out of the koolaid cannon bible....

I know I'll catch flack for my opinion, but here goes anyway. A 410 belongs on the skeet field or around the barns dinging starlings in the hands of an accomplished shooter, period. No one is going to change my mind. 410 ammo just doesn't carry the payload. I know, a lot of people have taken quite a bit of small game. But in my estimation not reliably. It just doesn't have enough punch/payload to get through any kind of brush or trash. I also am of the opinion that a 410 is the worst tool to start a kid or new shooter. I'm an accomplished shooter and the 410 frustrates me. The last registered targets I recorded was with the NSCA , A class. I started my 3 kids with a 20. They broke targets, lots of them, and never got frustrated because of all of those broken targets. They are all good shots,especially my son. He is a 2 time state sporting clays champion, junior class. He didn't do that with a 410, 12ga all the way.

I have tried hunting with the 410. I found it to be unreliable on rabbits, with and without dogs. I do pretty well shooting starlings around the barns, but keeping my shots around 20 yards and using #9 hard shot, skeet field distances and no brush to shoot through. Predators, no way, not enough payload with the appropriate size shot not to mention enough velocity. Oddly you get better velocities with 2 1/2 inch and 1/2 ounce of shot than 3 inch shells.

There I said my piece, let the flames begin. I really don't give a rats patoot. By the way my favorite gauge is the 20. The last coyote I shot, outside of in a trap, was with a 20 and a 1oz load of 6's at about 10 or 12 yards.

I've killed turkeys out to 60+ yards with 410s loaded with TSS shot. You just don't like 410s because you are ineffective with one.

I've killed turkeys out to 60+ yards with 410s loaded with TSS shot. You just don't like 410s because you are ineffective with one.

Next time the debate comes up on here about best caliber or home defense weapon no need to go bigger than a pellet rifle. Shoot any intruder in the eye with a gamo air rifle it will be EFFECTIVE!!
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Like I said last year and coined the phrase KOOLAID CANNON fir 2 reasons 410 is a kids gun and the TSS boys have drank the koolaid
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