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And so it begins for the new gun SUCCESS!!!! #7483995
02/03/22 09:34 PM
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Yeeeep time to start messing with some reloads for this ultra varmit. Slapped on a Nikon to get rid of that crappy barska they had on it. I mean crap that thing was bad, want bad at 50yd but when I was trying to shoot it at 100yd and was seeing two crosshairs blurring in and out and bout got a head ache. But yeah that gutted the reciver,n' put in a gold rebounding hammer. I have to half -it now but lets me go from the 6lbs trigger it had down to 2.5 pretty easy.
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Still need to give it a good barrel scrubbing but other then that shouldn't be able to blame the gun laugh
Actually bought some center fire brass cases ammo for the first time in about 3 years which felt weird
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Shot 15 if em for brass lost one so measured and averaged out the shoulders on those 14
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Think my average was like 1.450" . Guess two though of bump will be good enough.
Dug though my range pickings gotta 20 or so extra Wolf .223 cases imma use too.
Anneled everything. Just used a drill and a Lil holder I made out of a 3/8ths deep well socket. I'm too poor to have one of them fancy anneling machines but my socket is a Craftsman so I got a little class grin cool
But yeah used some 700 degree tempaliq on some test cases counted one.two.three.four.five.six. seevvven dump was about the rythem seems to wok good.
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Now tonight come the fun part of full length sizing all these and trying to get consistent bumps with my die which I learned is working weird probably because of a machining Burr left in the die smirk
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Guess it's partly my fault though I mean I've had this set for close to five years now and the other day what the first time I actually decided to take it apart and clean it soo yeah crazy .
O and side I mention also gotta trime chamfer and deburrs grin fun fun fun

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Re: And so it begins for the new gun [Re: Wolfdog91] #7484016
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Re: And so it begins for the new gun [Re: Wolfdog91] #7484222
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Re: And so it begins for the new gun [Re: Wolfdog91] #7484227
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Re: And so it begins for the new gun [Re: Wolfdog91] #7484355
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I need to look on gun broker. A project gun would sure help with all this time spent waiting to heal up. I have watched Hulu Netflix and youtube so much my brain feels like gob of dried up rubber cement.


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Re: And so it begins for the new gun [Re: Wolfdog91] #7484437
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what the purpose of the torch..

Re: And so it begins for the new gun [Re: fieldsy] #7484445
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Originally Posted by fieldsy
what the purpose of the torch..


That is used to anneal the neck/shoulder area of the brass.


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Re: And so it begins for the new gun [Re: Jerry Jr.] #7484459
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Thanks. Is this used for superior accuracy?? Never saw it done for regular handholds..
Originally Posted by Jerry Jr.
Originally Posted by fieldsy
what the purpose of the torch..


That is used to anneal the neck/shoulder area of the brass.

Re: And so it begins for the new gun [Re: Wolfdog91] #7484473
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it makes the brass last longer. you can load it a few more times.

google, annealing rifle brass

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Re: And so it begins for the new gun [Re: Wolfdog91] #7484484
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It also gives you more uniform neck tension.


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Re: And so it begins for the new gun [Re: danny clifton] #7484486
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I need to look on gun broker. A project gun would sure help with all this time spent waiting to heal up. I have watched Hulu Netflix and youtube so much my brain feels like gob of dried up rubber cement.



are there any small projects like whittling , carving , maybe knife building or similar you can do.

if components were available relaoding


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Re: And so it begins for the new gun [Re: Wolfdog91] #7484499
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Tell me about that hammer, please.


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None shall take thee
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Re: And so it begins for the new gun [Re: Wolfdog91] #7484923
02/04/22 04:49 PM
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Soooo an interesting thing is happening
Was trying to full-length resize and bump shoulders last night and couldn't get them to move what so ever . My brass has been fire forming at an average of 1.450" base to shoulder but no matter what I tried I could not get my side to bump a should past 1.451". confused well I went and took measurements from the remaining five factory rounds I had and their measuring 1.454" base to shoulder on average! So my brass is friggen shrinking crazy
So ,empty and zeroed out
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Fire formed in my rifle
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The other weird this is this rifle will chamber once fired like it's new and vice versa crazy

Re: And so it begins for the new gun [Re: Kart29] #7485126
02/04/22 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Kart29
Tell me about that hammer, please.

Hope you don't mind a copy and paste from a old thread lol but here ya go

Ok so I don't know is anyone remembers but I was trying to build a target rifle out of my old Handi rifle .22lr. well the triggers on the are notorious for being poor and heavy not to mention problems with the transfer bar breaking issues. Well ends up you can alleviate all that with a rebounding hammer for a H&R 155.
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It basically turns your gun into one of the old style actions that give you a half engaged to keep pressure off the firing pin and to let you reload and a full engaged to fire. No real safety mechanism other than well... Common sense. You know don't coke it till you about to shoot something . This also removes like 80% of all the guts.
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And without all that it gives it a much lower trigger pull out the gate ! My stock Handi with all the "guts" and what not runs a bit over 5lbs of trigger pull, while my rebounds trigger one runs at a little over two !
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Now you will have to modify you hammer spring or get a new one that bend out wider , I just too mine and bent it out some as well as pop in a cut roll pin for a spring stop as it doesn't come with one but all in all for less than $20 it's a major improvement imo ! Now this isn't something I'd reccomed doing to your kids rifle or someone who inst very competent in firearms safety though. It's not near as safe as a transfer bar but if your trying to make a little target going or something may be with a look !

Re: And so it begins for the new gun [Re: Wolfdog91] #7485254
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I have a Small base 223 RCBS sizing die if you want it. PM me you postal addy and I'll mail the thing to you


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Re: And so it begins for the new gun [Re: Wolfdog91] #7485377
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Aight so this gun is WEIRD. IM THINKING it's because of a sloppy chamber but this thing ,unlik my AR's or bolt guns has a crazy wide tolerance for sized cases. So here's a lil test I did
Took four pieces of cleaned range ( R-P .223) brass labeled them 1-4 measured all of em base to shoulder , wrote it down and tried all of them . Nothing would chamber as is in the gun.would let me close the gun about 3/4's of the way and get stuck. Aight bet. So then called them re measured. Then took my Lee full length re sizer and proceed to bump the shoulders in increments or around four thou. Was kind ahap hazard honestly but hay I just need stop be close! Ok so in like my are or my bolt gun I can't really "feel " the chambering resistance in a traditional sense but what I can do is take note of how much for it take for the breech to lock into place. Empty it takes no for what so ever. So what I did was insert each of the sized cases in the breech and used as little force as possible to try and close it and lock the breech. After 1.458" I noticed I had to use just the slightest but of extra force to close my breech so I'm calling 1.458" as my max! Now did I need to do all that, well...no not really BUT ! it was probably gonna drive me nuts other wise down the road .
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Now the weird thing is this thing is fire forming brass at an average ( as of the first firing) at 1.450" . So basically and mabye I'm wrong but it seems if that case is measuring 1.450-1.458 base to shoulder. It's gonna take it . Which is kinda nuts because with some of my other guns it's no where near that loose but hay quirky little gun lol.

Re: And so it begins for the new gun [Re: Wolfdog91] #7485947
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Okie dokie so more on this weird Lil Heffier. So it's firing forming @ 1.450" I can't size this brass down past 1.451 so I said screw it. Basically ended up FL sizing the bodyh and once but not the shoulder on the fire fired stuff and just bumped the Wolf down to 1.451 so I have a constant. So yeah trimmed Chamfered deburred. Btw something I picked up watching some of the precision guys is use use fine steel wool after you deburr to make sure you got everything. Really cleans the necks. Alost trying tumbling in rice. Apparently it does some while stuff when it come to bullet tension. Honestly I'm just poor and like trying thing sooo grin
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So while those where tumbling went and took a pice of the fire formed PMC cut the neck and made a OAL/CBTO gauge and proceed to try and find the hard jam. And let me talk y'all, this thing has a friggen giraffe throat ! With the shorter bullets I wasn't even touching the lands with them barely hanging in the case shocked found a bag of 55gr PPU SP that works though. So need up finding my hard jam for that bullet and subtracted 20 tho for my jump and we a rolling. First time Ive ever reloaded jacked flat based bullets btw lol
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So temps are fluctuatin like nuts so decided to use some H322 since it's more temp stable. I know when I was messing with TAC a 30 degree difference made it do some weird stuff .
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Boy I love my Lil atuo pourer grin so working in .3 grain incriminates 5rd a group and according to the book I'm gonna be starting out around 2800fps which is probably the fastest I've ever loaded for but that just a STARING LOAD in the book eek and seating dang near bout perfect cool
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And they want $30 for a 20rd box of these !
Well it's actually kinda warm and quiet wind wise so I'm about to get the cameras and see what happens and how bad I shoot today grin

Re: And so it begins for the new gun [Re: Wolfdog91] #7486008
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do you have your seating die on the flat or cone option ? seems all your soft points are flattened , if you use lee dies you can turn the part inside the die around and it grabs on the ogive not the nose


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Re: And so it begins for the new gun [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7486151
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
do you have your seating die on the flat or cone option ? seems all your soft points are flattened , if you use lee dies you can turn the part inside the die around and it grabs on the ogive not the nose

You know I actually didn't know that was a thing ! But I checked and it's cone down. These where cheap bullets so that probably has something to do with it

Re: And so it begins for the new gun [Re: Wolfdog91] #7486174
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Sooooo got out and got kinda good news ! Was able to cut the factory groups down by like half . The bad news is well. It's about a 2 moa gun rn. Which is alot better then what some of the guys over on accurate said they where getting lol ( and I mean their saying pie plate groups @100yd). Beat group of the day was a Lil over 1" excluding the flyer which I'm getting on every group,but I'll chalk that up to poor follow though. But this Lil girl is a dream to shoot now with this trigger job and is so much nicer then my AR lol

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Reckon I'll load more of this try and see if it will recreate this group and start messing with seating depth confused

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