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How many check stomach content #735731
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On there catches during the season. I have always done it to find out what they are feeding on and what the main food source is in a given area.
This can also give you a good indication as to the health of the animals you are after. These efforts can pay off big during the season. You will know what food they are actively seeking and also what lures would be the most effective.
A little study of the animals you target during the season will help you in ways you never dreamed of. lets say you are using a mouse as bait but all your animals are full of rabbit. Which bait would be better.



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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: deerhunter65347] #735736
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never thought of this. learned another thing today. thanks deer



Re: How many check stomach content [Re: BlakeTheTrapper] #735738
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I do not have time to do that.

I know what they are eating anyway because my bait is on the menu.

If I caught them, they have been eating or trying to eat bullheads.

Re: How many check stomach content [Re: BlakeTheTrapper] #735757
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I have done that routinely over the years, mainly with red fox, out of curiosity carryover as a wildlife research biologist - not to "match the hatch," so to speak, with my trapping efforts for them.

However, on more than one occasion, I have saved undigested, larger identifiable contents - chunks, bits and pieces - for use later in the bottom of a dirt hole. Never actually measured the effectiveness of that practice, but it seemed to be a logical addition in the "bait/curiosity" appeal at a set for a change up element in addition to any lure or urine offerings.

Jonathan

Re: How many check stomach content [Re: Jonathan] #735765
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I have on yote, fox, and mink. Not worth it on coon in my opinion.


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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: 1st RiverRat] #735768
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Just because a coon has some crawdad shells in his stomache doesn't mean he is going to turn his nose up at a marshmallow or a piece of fish.

If a fox got lucky and caught a cottontail doesn't mean he's feeding exclusively on rabbits and won't eat a mouse. Don't make it complicated.


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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: 1st RiverRat] #735773
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What you find out is what the animal is at the time of take actually in search of and by looking at the contents you can be selective in what you offer. Sure he ate your bait but what if you looked at the contents of his tomach and saw in a coon that he was after lets say persimmon fruit. Now wouldnt that suggest to you that if you used the persimmon fruit as bait more coon would be responding to your food bait. Thus increasing your catch and not trying something hap hazardly. Meaning he just happen across it and decided to eat it. Where as you would not have many refusals by serving them what they are actively seeking. He may walk right by your bait for some persimmon fruit. All animals will do this as a general rule they will feed upon whats available at that time. so it would reason to supply what they are actively seeking at that moment. Thus improving your catch numbers and rate of catch. Jonathan what was the major portions at the times you checked just for my own curious nature. As animals from differnt parts of the country feed upon differnt food sources at differnt times.



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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: deerhunter65347] #735792
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I disagree strongly!!!!! Sorry, just do......Coon will not be drawn to persimmon over fish and definitely will not have the drawing power. DH - most coons in the midwest are feeding on corn and acorns predominantly with sides of fish, amphibians, eggs, and whatever else the opportunistics find. I would never tell someone to go out and use dry field corn, even though that is what is evidenced by scat during trapping time. Think about Iowa - coons are drawn to corn.... SET LOCATION!!! Most important with anything....Do you think most carnivores have skunks in there guts when it is used in formulation as a lure - of course not - cause it is LOUD and reaches a ways....

Re: How many check stomach content [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #735793
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Also - if I am examining contents of a stomach - uhhh, my fish worked pretty well.....I would rather use a loud calling bait then what the animals may be feeding on, but if some of you would be willing to buy some corn for $12/4 oz let me know.....

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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #735796
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A coon will feed on corn when available and fruit when its available not all food sources are available at the same time. I think from personal experience that coon will go for sweet fruit over corn if available and they will take a crawfish over fish. So it all depends on what a coon is after at that time. Thus checking contents of stomachs. If you dont check it wont hurt my feelings. But i think it helps. But remember all coon are not caught around water. They can be taken in heavy timber and fields alike. They arnt just a water animal. But thats where most trap them. Why! Because most dont set any where else. They might be surprised by what enhabits those deep woods or large open fields. I didnt mean for this to be just a coon thread but all animals coyotes, bobcats, fox, mink, weasels and skunks. But we shall see where it leads us.



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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: deerhunter65347] #735799
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I check all the cat's stomachs that I catch. Tom

Re: How many check stomach content [Re: tmrschessie] #735804
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I'll check a turkey crop, or a bass stomach, but that's it.

Re: How many check stomach content [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #735807
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Hunter, Most often there was an admixture of contents, ranging from grasshoppers and grapes to voles and pheasant, and parts from just about any available animal in the territory - a combination of major food sources and snacks, or dessert? Once in awhile the stomach contents were homogenous when the fox was selectively feeding on mice, or filled up on a rabbit or pheasant.

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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: pass-thru] #735817
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Most people in the mid-west know that coons feed on dry field corn during trapping season - it is available and will generally be found in many coons stomachs where available. I would still rather use fish in the middle of a corn field instead of corn to draw them. Cats - I'd rather use beaver with skunk essence even when they generally feed on smaller rodents/rabbits more often. Coyotes - I'd rather use tainted meat along with glandular lures when you generally wont find that in the stomachs......Skunks - I'd rather use rotten eggs mixed with fish oil which you wont find in there stomachs.....and so on.....some baits just have been "stong indicators" as WORKING.
If I am correct - Gerald Schmitt probably still uses bullhead heads for hundreds of mink even though you probably wouldnt find them in most of the mink stomachs.

Re: How many check stomach content [Re: Jonathan] #735820
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A fox has a very large array of foods to choose from out there. Around here its been mice, persimmons, black berries, moles, squarrals, and rabbits. Ocasionally ive found birds on there diets as well. Even found a frog in one. Its amazing what you can find in them.
I think the wildest item i have found ingested was tree bark from a coyote. I mean alot of tree bark still havnt figured that out as to why.



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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: deerhunter65347] #735827
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Tom what were you finding in the bobcats that you checked.



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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: deerhunter65347] #735828
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I agree with TreedaBlackdog. Just because it's in their stomachs doesn't mean it's the best bait. Actually I think it could work against you. Let's say you find a coon with a belly full of persimmons like you said. So you go to a persimmon tree and make a set with only them. Now a coon comes to have breakfast under the tree. Now he knows there's persimmons in your set, but why would he want to work to get them out when there's a ton of them laying around him. It's much easier to get them laying on the ground than dig in a dirthole to get the exact same thing.

To me checking stomach content is a good idea to know where they are GOING. Not to know 100% what to use as bait. Say again that I find a coon stomach full of persimmons. Now I know exactly where to make some sets, right by a persimmon tree, but I'd just as soon rather use a crawdad in the set than a persimmon because it's something different than normal but coons are still attracted to it.

Re: How many check stomach content [Re: Creek Trapper] #735833
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I check my animals except coons. It's interesting, I wonder how many of you all would of guessed that a large percentage of the mink I catch even in deep winter have frog parts in their stomach contents...

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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: Creek Trapper] #735839
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Once you know he has been feeding at the persimmon tree's by checking the contents of the coon which you just caught from a creek bank on fish. Now with that scenario you go to the persimmon trees and find ripe fruit on that tree. I can guarantee you that there will be trails leading to this tree blind set the trails leading to the trees. Now being as we check for stomach contents we can see the persimmons are ripe and now because we checked the contents of the stomach we can. set another area. Ya see where this goe's hand in hand with what your trapping. Some may not even know where the persimmon trees are at. But by checking the contents they will know somewhere in there area is a persimmon tree with ripe fruit. And the coon are hitting it. With out checking the contents of his stomach you would still just be catching the coon along the waters edge. Its a tool to further your trapping skills whether you use it or not is not the question. But what we are looking for is how to use the information you find to better your skills as a trapper.



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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: deerhunter65347] #735848
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As far as fish go I allways check bass and catfish, I have even be known to use what I find for bait.


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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: 1st RiverRat] #735873
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Predators are opportunists. They do not plan their next meal.
You do not hear of one that wanted duck for supper and passed up ten rabbits to get to the duck marsh.


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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: Terry] #735876
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That's my thoughts, Terry.

When I'm trolling salmon I always check the stomache contents, not to change my lure, but the size and color. If they have herring I'll use spoons, silver and gold, if they are full of krill I switch to small pink hootchies. That's the only way I can tell what the bait balls are.


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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: ] #736553
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 Originally Posted By: ADC
I check my animals except coons. It's interesting, I wonder how many of you all would of guessed that a large percentage of the mink I catch even in deep winter have frog parts in their stomach contents...

~ADC~

I find alot of frog parts in mink also.


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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: Bruce T] #736560
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I have for many years.


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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: white17] #736649
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only out of curiosity. i don't to much dwell on what i find.



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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: whats his name] #737074
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DH - so you would pull off your line where you caught the initial raccoon to go look for the source of what the coon had in the stomach? Sorry, but when I am trapping I have no such time for that type of nonsense, especially if my traps have a decent catch percentage. I use time tested baits that have shown results - fish/fish oil. I do not want to change my bait every day and go wandering around different feeding areas that may be a draw one day and not the next. I will continue to set water areas as every day a coon will water......and I read sign relatively easy by waters edge to help with location of sets. I am not saying someone may not pick up 4-5 coons from a ripe persimmon tree or a dozen or more from sileage pits. But, I still am not going to go out of my way looking for the source of feed as time = money......

Re: How many check stomach content [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #737237
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I check sometimes on furbearers .But I always check for deer moose elk etc. If you can identify what they have been feeding on you can pipoint where they have been in the woods as different plants grow in different locations.
One time after a successfull lung busting late fall hunt for mountain goats,the stomach was full of green vegetation,Looking way down the valley everything was browned up on account of frost except on the valley bottom.Goat hunting is always a tougher hunt but that piece of information has saved me many steps and not just for goats either.So I always have a looksee never know what you may learn from the contents.CSI gutpile
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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: Boles] #737270
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i havent b4, but after reading this i think i will,, i may throw up a few times in the process tho...lol


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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: Boles] #737274
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Treedblackdog You bet your bottom dollar i would go find that tree. What you call nonsense is a proven money maker for me. Also if i have a active silage pit i will set that as well. I have found as many as 10 persimmon trees in a grove type setting by doing just that. And the amount of coon, coyot and fox that were using it made this action wellllll worth the effort.



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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: deerhunter65347] #737301
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deer can you show me a picture of a persimmon tree?



Re: How many check stomach content [Re: BlakeTheTrapper] #737303
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Ill find you a picture.



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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: deerhunter65347] #737307
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Here is a link to persimmon tree pictures along with fruit pictures.



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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: deerhunter65347] #737312
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ohh i don't see any link.i will try and search the internet and tell you if i found anything.thanks



Re: How many check stomach content [Re: BlakeTheTrapper] #737314
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thanks deer.found them don't have any by where i trap.



Re: How many check stomach content [Re: BlakeTheTrapper] #737320
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Also for coon. Look for the paw paw trees. now if you come across those they are really good to eat and coon will hunt them as well. Ive found quite a few of them in boonville area.

http://search.live.com/images/results.aspx?q=persimmon+tree+picture.&mkt=en-us

Try this one

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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: deerhunter65347] #737322
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hmmm.have you taken a picture of one of the paw paw trees?

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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: BlakeTheTrapper] #737323
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thanks for the persimmon tree link

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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: BlakeTheTrapper] #737326
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No i really should get pictures of the trees. I might have to go for a walk.



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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: deerhunter65347] #737331
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Boles thats what i am talking about. It would really surprise folks what they could find out if they just looked.



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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: deerhunter65347] #737332
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ya.i need to go scouting.i searched the paw paw tree and don't think i have any of them close by.is there any other tree taht coons would eat alot?thanks



Re: How many check stomach content [Re: BlakeTheTrapper] #737334
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ya.i haven't been walking for a lil while where im going to trap.



Re: How many check stomach content [Re: BlakeTheTrapper] #737339
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Well go check it out. Have some fun looking for sign while your at it.



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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: deerhunter65347] #737343
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well i guess ill prolly go look sometime soon then.thanks for your information deer.



Re: How many check stomach content [Re: BlakeTheTrapper] #737403
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DH - well, I guess there lies the difference - you will be out wandering around looking for the food source when I would already be setting an active water/food source, quick hitting an area and moving on.....dont have time to walk into a section, find a few trees with ripe fruit and maybe catch a few extra coons when I can shove my old stinky fish bait in a grizz or smack down a pocket set (next to water) of course, catch a family group of coons and move on in 3 days. I will spend more time making my lines more efficient by cutting out the stops that dont = fur every year.....year after year. Not hoping to catch a coon or 2 one area one year and not the next due to a late freeze of lack of rain etc. which all will affect fruit production. I do not have time to scout for 2 weeks every year the 2 weeks prior to season. I do know that creeks with water, rivers which dont go dry and bottoms with corn near WILL hold coon if disease has not hit. Therefore - I set on target and succeed.
Again - if you find corn in there stomachs - DH why not use dry field corn? The coons in your county will be eating corn from October - its tilled under......I wont use corn as bait even though coons every night hang near the fields....
I do not disagree that one might pick up a few extra coon (if he isnt already on the move) by staying in a section and taking the time to locate the immediate food source those coons in that area are feeding on and setting them. Personally - I will not put my time there - its a coon.....not a cat, not a mountain goat, hit'em and move on.....

Re: How many check stomach content [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #737439
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coons going to dry corn at the deer feeder all the time. I hate them eating my corn.


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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: biggen] #737444
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biggen - I say you have an excellent test plot - put out a dozen traps with corn as bait, dozen traps with fish as bait - alternating the traps in a line around the corn feeder so as you dont introduce any bias - and tell us what your coons would rather go for - whats in there stomachs or fish

Re: How many check stomach content [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #737526
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TreeDog, I am not so sure that your suggested scientific method would be a valid one around biggen's deer feeder to yield any reliable, conclusive results.

There are too many operative variables in this immediate "study area," plus there is an already built-in bias to skew the results: the raccoons coming to the feeder may be so habituated and conditioned to the corn as a dependent, reliable major food source, because of its consistent availability, the presentation of alternative food/bait in that mix (no matter what it was - fish, clams, crayfish, balls of bacon grease, etc.,) complicates and confuses the issue at several levels.

As you well know, the raccoon is an opportunistic, scavenging omnivore that will eat just about anything.

The biggest margin of error that I visualize with this approach is, no matter what kind of trapping method (trap, set type or bait used,)is, maybe with the exception of a baited cage trap where the animal is not constrained, only confined: if the raccoon is caught while working a given bait set, what guarantee is there that it will eat the bait - after it is caught to find that presentation in its stomach after the fact? Granted, either way, it would have been attracted to the set. But.....,then again, it all depends.

Are you confused? I know I am, because I am not sure how to set that up yet to arrive at a definitive, measurable conclusive results.

The best thing is to forget the science, stick to the art and craft of the trapping experience, set the traps on location for whatever the target animal's name goes by, use a lure/bait that works for you to catch stuff, move to a different location and repeat the process. That ain't science, just applied trapping savvy at its best, totally void of complicated statistical analysis. The math is simple - just count the number of critters now living on your stretchers.

End of the hunt.

Jonathan


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Re: How many check stomach content [Re: BlakeTheTrapper] #737552
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A coon don't go foraging like we do at a grocery store with a list, or choices of what we like more than others. First edible thing a coon comes to, that goes in his mouth. Next edible thing, that goes in his mouth. If he's in a garbage can with all kinds of goodies, then he might get particular. But he's not going to pass up fish in a pocket set because he knows there's a good place to catch crawdads a little further down the creek.

Re: How many check stomach content [Re: ] #737842
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My experience has always been that if you want momma and the babies, stick to the water. The larger coon will travel miles for corn, grapes or what ever is in season and they are feeding on. That said, they won't pass up some nice Jack Mackeral on the way. So I guess food sources are more of a location thing then a bait type thing.


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