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Re: Minnesota and non resident trapping
[Re: garart]
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08/18/20 06:58 PM
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Donnersurvivor
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What EVERY Minnesotan that is against N.R. trapping doesn't seem to get is that there are 51,205,760 acres of federal land ( 6.8% of the state ) that belongs to EVERYONE in this country to use for legal recreational and commercial activities. Minnesota trappers against N.R.trapping are holding these lands hostage, as if they own sole rights of use as trapping grounds! Total B.S., whenever you guys need help think about how your stance on this issue is going to hurt you. Other states do the same, try hunting in a designated wilderness area in Wyoming as a non resident. It's not right but the feds give the states wide latitude in management of those lands.
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Re: Minnesota and non resident trapping
[Re: patfundine]
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08/18/20 07:02 PM
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Why do they claim to be running coyote? Is it illegal for non-residents to run cats? You need a fur bearer license (trapping) license to possess a bobcat. We get tags for them. If you're a non resident you cant have a trapping license, so you can't possess a bobcat. It's a really touchy subject, and I don't agree with it. When these out of state guys are running in an area that has very few coyotes (lots of wolves), and a high number of cats, it really gives away their intentions. You cant go deer hunting without a license and tell everyone you're hunting coyotes, that wouldn't fly with the game warden. Really there's nothing here for anyone out of state to trap if... 1 We dont allow cities tags - martin, Fisher, cats. 2 we block spring beaver. 3 non resident have a later start date. Aside from trapping with a family member for a couple days what would be the point? I doubt any warm weather guys would chop through a foot of ice to set beaver traps only to find out someone cleaned the pond out on the first weekend of season. . Pat, you are wrong. You don't need a trapping license to hunt cats you need a small game license to hunt cats, non residents can and do.
"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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Re: Minnesota and non resident trapping
[Re: fossil2]
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08/18/20 07:08 PM
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then dont block the cites species, dont block spring beaver, and let them start same time as a resident. whats their reasoning for not wanting southern minn trappers in THEIR area either? ive been there and done that, during the fur boom years. equipment destroyed, traps and fur stolen on an epic scale, and even death threats. seems nothings changed in all these years. Sorry, but that was what was being kicked around a couple years ago.
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Re: Minnesota and non resident trapping
[Re: 20scout]
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08/18/20 07:13 PM
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I quit caring a long time ago but has anyone approached the DNR or MTA about trying it for ONE season and then re-evaluate the number of licenses sold and animals harvested? That would provide some sound data on the ACTUAL impacts rather than speculation.
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Re: Minnesota and non resident trapping
[Re: 20scout]
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08/18/20 07:33 PM
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the reason those restrictions were being "kicked around", was trying to appease the mta, and gain at least some small bit of support, in whatever way we could. you keep saying noone would come here anyway, so why all the opposition?
160 user,,,trying it for one year wouldnt be too difficult at all. on the dnr's end, one or two additional pages on their website for license purchase for non residents, online purchase only for nr's, no addtions to the ELS system, etc. good thought.
pat fundine,,49er is correct on the cat laws. many are taken every year by nr's. do you not know our own game laws concerning cats, or did you intentionally mis-state them here for some reason?
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Re: Minnesota and non resident trapping
[Re: patfundine]
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08/18/20 07:37 PM
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Why do they claim to be running coyote? Is it illegal for non-residents to run cats? You need a fur bearer license (trapping) license to possess a bobcat. We get tags for them. If you're a non resident you cant have a trapping license, so you can't possess a bobcat. It's a really touchy subject, and I don't agree with it. When these out of state guys are running in an area that has very few coyotes (lots of wolves), and a high number of cats, it really gives away their intentions. You cant go deer hunting without a license and tell everyone you're hunting coyotes, that wouldn't fly with the game warden. . There is no site tag required for Bobcats for anyone in MN. Non residents can legally hunt and run Bobcats with hounds under a small game license. When your on your favorite crappie or walleye spot and someone pulls up, what do you tell them?
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Re: Minnesota and non resident trapping
[Re: garart]
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08/18/20 08:46 PM
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Patfundine, you are one of those people that don't " get it ". You responded to my post but missed the point. You assume that I would follow your logic and not buy a license for reasons you stated. Your position on N.R .trapping doesn't allow any non resident to make a choice to trap on Federal Lands located in minnesota. The point being these lands belong to ever citizen in the USA! Then why can’t I metal detectors on federal lands? Or need to “draw” a permit to use certain ones like the BWCAW? Why can’t I hunt on NPS lands? I get your point but this isn’t a “one size fits all” deal.
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Re: Minnesota and non resident trapping
[Re: 20scout]
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08/18/20 09:00 PM
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Wow, I didn't realize how touchy this subject was and have learned alot in just a few short pages. I still don't agree with not allowing NR to participate. And as far as not wanting to go out of state to trap? Everyone has a dream, maybe not the same as yours but a dream no less. My brother and his neighbors in NE have had problems with coyotes for years. Hunters have educated many coyotes to the point of making night hunting or trapping about the only alternative. They have had problems trying to find a good trapper, issues I won't go into. I have a dream to help out my brother, that is why I would like to trap out of state. As of now, about the only way I could do that is to move out of state.
Common sense is a not a vegetable that does well in everyone's garden.
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Re: Minnesota and non resident trapping
[Re: 20scout]
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08/18/20 09:17 PM
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Scout, I joined the MTA in 1972. Nothing has changed in the almost 50 years I have been a member.
Tom
If my feet aren't wet,I must not be trapping.
Tom Olson
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Re: Minnesota and non resident trapping
[Re: 20scout]
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08/18/20 10:13 PM
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Sorry to hear this Bogmaster. Not what I wanted to hear but what I needed to know. Thanks.
Common sense is a not a vegetable that does well in everyone's garden.
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Re: Minnesota and non resident trapping
[Re: danny clifton]
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08/18/20 10:20 PM
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Its kinda wrong pcr2. Every time NR trapping gets promoted by some Minnesota trappers their association and their associations lawyer, get in the way. Many of you should recognize their lawyers name. This, lol
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
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Re: Minnesota and non resident trapping
[Re: patfundine]
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08/18/20 10:45 PM
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There is very little chance that this will ever go anywhere.
There are a lot of trappers in MN that have the same feeling I have on this.
1 I dont have money or time to trap another state.
2 I have plenty of places to trap at home.
3 what am I going to trap that I cant at home???? Possum
4 other than Bobcats or Martin why would you want to buy a nonresident license to trap Mn
5 this is really my #1. I have seen the out of state guys here with their hounds "running coyotes" they say. 99% of the time they are on a cat track with a tree dog not a running dog. I really dont want to see more of those guys here, and they would be.
So when it comes to us voting, I don't care or if pushed I vote No. Sorry it's just how I feel, and no amount of talking will change my opinion. Pat, I dont see the need to limit anyone else just because I might not have the time or money to trap in another state, but it would be nice if I could leave to trap. I too have plenty of places to trap at home, and possibly no one knows more country in my locale that I dont quite have the time to get to than me, especially now in a down market. I dont care why someone else might want to buy a non resident license, it's about alliowing them the chance so that I can enjoy reciprocity elsewhere. No out of stater is going to out trap me on my home ground without alot of homework first. I dont care for the hound guys period, but it's because I watched first hand, a fella walk in to someone cat set looking for a track to put his dogs on. That should be a killing offense, but here we are, Minnesota nice. That was some garbage dog guy from southern MN too. Put all this in your pipe and smoke it. Leslie Huerd, Studliest man alive.
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
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