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#638734 - 03/18/08 10:22 PM Raccoon - Night latching for coons?
KSCATMAN Offline
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Registered: 02/16/07
Posts: 901
Loc: SE Ks. 40+yrs. Young
I bought a couple dozen duke 1 1/2 coils. I bought them only for coon.Around here fox is like a bigfoot sighting because of our coyote population.In my opinion I think night latching for coyotes is great but should I waste my time for coons?I never have before but was just wondering how many of you guys do?

I did one tonight just to hear the click! If I do these I'll have about 3 more dozen older coon traps I'll do as well just because smile
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#638980 - 03/19/08 09:17 AM Re: Night latching for coons? [Re: TexA 68 & going]
Dave Plueger Offline
trapper

Registered: 01/10/07
Posts: 2481
Loc: Iowa (where the tall corn grow...
I night latch all of my coon footholds. I want the trap to fire before the coons foot is too far into the jaws so that Its not caught above the foot. A coons front foot is like a slippery piece of wet rubber so I like the jaws to have a sharp edge to them. If you do laminate make sure you have STRONG springs or you will have some pullouts when trapping in water.

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#638987 - 03/19/08 09:22 AM Re: Night latching for coons? [Re: Dave Plueger]
mr. finch Offline
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 1585
Loc: kansas
night lacthing is not for any one animal. it is so the trap is set the same way every time.time after time.
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#638988 - 03/19/08 09:22 AM Re: Night latching for coons? [Re: Dave Plueger]
Greg H Offline
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Registered: 12/18/07
Posts: 102
Loc: Ontario, Canada
What does the term Night Latching refer to I have not heard this before.
Greg

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#639017 - 03/19/08 09:41 AM Re: Night latching for coons? [Re: Greg H]
mr. finch Offline
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 1585
Loc: kansas
it refers to the click sound when the dog and pan are engaged together. it loud enough you can hear it at night so you know that the trap is set right
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#639038 - 03/19/08 09:51 AM Re: Night latching for coons? [Re: mr. finch]
The Beav Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2379
Loc: Wisconsin
Shorten up the pan notch and you have the same thing but with a lot less work and agravation.
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#639041 - 03/19/08 09:51 AM Re: Night latching for coons? [Re: The Beav]
lilcoontrapper92 Offline
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Registered: 01/21/08
Posts: 4276
Loc: NC
dont see how that can be done beav?? how woudl that make the "click"
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#639061 - 03/19/08 10:05 AM Re: Night latching for coons? [Re: mr. finch]
Greg H Offline
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Registered: 12/18/07
Posts: 102
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Thanks Warcraft.
Greg

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#639069 - 03/19/08 10:09 AM Re: Night latching for coons? [Re: lilcoontrapper92]
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Unless you're setting traps in the dark with no light or have poor eyesite, night-latching is a waist of time IMO. I set the traps in the full notch, look at it from the side and push the pan down to where I want it.

The "click" is cool, but if you file away part of the pan that's part you'll never get back.

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#639076 - 03/19/08 10:14 AM Re: Night latching for coons? [Re: Greg H]
Dave Plueger Offline
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Registered: 01/10/07
Posts: 2481
Loc: Iowa (where the tall corn grow...
Shortening the pan notch wont give that click sound but will accomplish the same thing as a night latch. The only draw back I had with this method is after some wear and rust you have nothing left to work with and must change the whole pan. It takes no longer to file a notch in the pan notch than to file the entire notch down. I mentioned coon because that is the species KSCATMAN asked about.

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#639093 - 03/19/08 10:22 AM Re: Night latching for coons? [Re: Dave Plueger]
Dave Plueger Offline
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Registered: 01/10/07
Posts: 2481
Loc: Iowa (where the tall corn grow...
When I'm on the fly I just dont have the time to visually drop the pan down until hair triggered. The night latch gives me a consistant pan drop on every trap and speeds up setting time. I have traps that I night latched over a decade ago that are still setting perfect. It takes but a few seconds to night latch a trap so not sure where the work and agravation enters in. Just take a 1/4" thick flat file, place trap on leg, give the file a few strokes in the pan notch and mission accomplished. It takes 10 seconds or less.

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#639095 - 03/19/08 10:23 AM Re: Night latching for coons? [Re: Dave Plueger]
Muskrat Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 1293
Loc: Southwestern Wisconsin
make quicker work of it with a Dremel tool

gotta remember the Beav is old school . . .
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#639117 - 03/19/08 10:33 AM Re: Night latching for coons? [Re: Muskrat]
Dave Plueger Offline
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Registered: 01/10/07
Posts: 2481
Loc: Iowa (where the tall corn grow...
How are you making a squared off notch with a dremel tool? Doesnt it make a rounded notch?

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#639124 - 03/19/08 10:34 AM Re: Night latching for coons? [Re: Dave Plueger]
Cletis Richards Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 4412
Loc: 10714 Apple road Carthage,Mo6...
Dave, I grind the teeth off one side of the file,making it safe and it acts as a guide, it helps keep things square and straight. Like you said a few passes and its a done deal, just keep the file parallel with the top of the pan.
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#639131 - 03/19/08 10:37 AM Re: Night latching for coons? [Re: Dave Plueger]
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 Originally Posted By: Dave Plueger
When I'm on the fly I just dont have the time to visually drop the pan down until hair triggered.


LOL, Even on my traps that are night-latched I still watch it til it drops into the notch. Old habits are hard to break.

Shortening the notch WON'T take out the pan creep, so if use any pan tension on your traps it may not work as well or the same as a night latch.

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#639143 - 03/19/08 10:46 AM Re: Night latching for coons? [Re: ]
Dave Plueger Offline
trapper

Registered: 01/10/07
Posts: 2481
Loc: Iowa (where the tall corn grow...
Shortening the notch will decrease pan drop required to fire the trap. Night latching gives me consistant pan drop on every trap without having to guess each time. When I set a trap I dont look at all. I hear the click and I know Im good to go. When trapping in water if there is any mud or other material on the pan notch it can decieve you into thinking your set where you want. Night latching takes all the guess work out. To each his own. LOL

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#639155 - 03/19/08 10:53 AM Re: Night latching for coons? [Re: Dave Plueger]
TimberTalker Offline
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Registered: 01/29/08
Posts: 61
Loc: Arkansas
What is the advantage or disadvantage to filing the notch in the pan as opposed to in the dog. Seems like the dog would be cheaper to replace.

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#639165 - 03/19/08 11:00 AM Re: Night latching for coons? [Re: TimberTalker]
Dave Plueger Offline
trapper

Registered: 01/10/07
Posts: 2481
Loc: Iowa (where the tall corn grow...
There really is no difference. I have filed a notch on the end of the dog on some of my canine traps and it accomplishes the same thing as a night latch in the pan notch. Only difference is you dont hear a click with the filed dog for some reason.

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#639171 - 03/19/08 11:04 AM Re: Night latching for coons? [Re: Dave Plueger]
ADC
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 Originally Posted By: Dave Plueger
Shortening the notch will decrease pan drop required to fire the trap. Night latching gives me consistant pan drop on every trap without having to guess each time. When I set a trap I dont look at all. I hear the click and I know Im good to go. When trapping in water if there is any mud or other material on the pan notch it can decieve you into thinking your set where you want. Night latching takes all the guess work out. To each his own. LOL


I agree. lol

I was talking of the pan creep for those people who may not know its caused by the hole in the pan being bigger around than the bolt. Here's an exaggerated drawing to show what I mean...



When you raise the pan to full notch the bolt (represented red) shifts to one side of the pan. No matter how tight you have the bolt there will be no pan tension or very little when you begin to push down the pan until this bolt is pushed to the other side of the hole. That's pan creep. So shortening the notch means you don't get to push the pan down to remove the creep, therefore, you can't get a good constant pan tension. Make any sense to anyone?

Re-drilling and using over sized bolts that just fit the holes will help this, at least until the threads rust down some.

Of course if you don't use any pan tension on your traps it wouldn't matter much.

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#639180 - 03/19/08 11:13 AM Re: Night latching for coons? [Re: ]
DanielE Offline
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Registered: 12/30/06
Posts: 5066
Loc: Eastern NC
I like the nightlatch on my coon traps. I like to stomp out a bed....set the trap with the dog burried in the deep part...bed the trap..then lift the loose jaw and lower the pan. I can't do that with a short notch.

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