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#13 Jump #5569664
07/03/16 11:48 PM
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Hey everyone,

I picked this up while visiting Lake Placid this weekend. I don't know much about it but the pan was very readable and I've been hoping to eventually get a toothed trap for the shelf. I love that the date is still visible and that it has "NY" on the pan. I'm new enough to trapping in general and know very little about trap history but I'd love to know what anyone may have to share about this. Do any of you happen to know anything about this particular trap? Any info/guidance to where I could learn more would be greatly appreciated.







Thanks!

Re: #13 Jump [Re: ADK95] #5569685
07/04/16 01:15 AM
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Your Oneida Jump trap was made in the late teens to 1925 by Oneida Community, in Oneida, NY. The sizes with teeth were #12, 13 and 14.

Re: #13 Jump [Re: ADK95] #5569802
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If you don't mind me asking, is the #12 the most rare of the 3?

Re: #13 Jump [Re: snakecollector] #5569810
07/04/16 09:46 AM
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Thanks for the info! Any idea what each size was primarily used for?

Ask away Ace, I'd like to learn as much as I can about these traps too.

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Re: #13 Jump [Re: *AceTrapper*] #5569898
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Originally Posted By: *AceTrapper*
If you don't mind me asking, is the #12 the most rare of the 3?


Yes. By quite a wide margin.

The # 14 is by far the most common. You often see them in quantity at trapping conventions.

Big gap between the # 14 and the #13 in being common.


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Re: #13 Jump [Re: ADK95] #5569938
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All 3 were made by Oneida Community until Feb.1925 when they sold their trap business to 3 of their former employees. They called the new company Animal trap comp. of America. ATC continued to use the trap parts that were on hand including the O.C. marked pans and then their own ATC pans. When the parts were used up around 1926 the #12 and #13 were discontinued and the #14 was the only Oneida Jump trap that still had teeth. The #14 was made until the late 1970's, that is why there are so many #14's.

Here is a page from a 1920 flier.

Re: #13 Jump [Re: snakecollector] #5569954
07/04/16 01:10 PM
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That flier's awesome. Thanks for sharing!

So it's a Victor trap, but it's produced by the Oneida Community? Were there other producers of Victor traps at the time? Keep in mind I know next to nothing about trapping history, so go easy on me if that's a dumb question.

Re: #13 Jump [Re: ADK95] #5570179
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There is no such thing as a dumb question if you don't know the answer. "Oneida Jump" is a brand and "Victor" is a brand. Oneida Community started making "Newhouse" traps in the 1850's, later they added the "Hawley & Norton" and "Victor" trap brands to compete with lower priced traps made by other companies. The first Victor traps were made in 1886, and were called "The Victor" then later just "Victor". The name "Oneida Jump" started around 1910 and before that the larger sizes #2,12,3,13,4 and 14 were all double under spring traps. The smaller size #0,1 and 1 1/2 were single under spring, all of them had a circle stamp on the pan that read "Oneida Community, Ltd." and no brand name. They were originally called "Star" traps for the first few years they were produced. Oneida Community made a lot of different brands of traps until Feb. 1925 when they sold out their trap business to Animal Trap Comp. of America. A.T.C. continued to make some of the brands and discontinued the others. Oneida Community started cutting the "V" in the pan of Victor traps in 1909 as a trade mark and in 1914 started cutting the "V" in Oneida Jump pans as well, even though Oneida Jump traps are not Victors.

Re: #13 Jump [Re: snakecollector] #5570214
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Snakecollector you really know your stuff, thanks for sharing that information, I too am a relatively new collector.


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Re: #13 Jump [Re: snakecollector] #5570391
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Originally Posted By: snakecollector
There is no such thing as a dumb question if you don't know the answer. "Oneida Jump" is a brand and "Victor" is a brand. Oneida Community started making "Newhouse" traps in the 1850's, later they added the "Hawley & Norton" and "Victor" trap brands to compete with lower priced traps made by other companies. The first Victor traps were made in 1886, and were called "The Victor" then later just "Victor". The name "Oneida Jump" started around 1910 and before that the larger sizes #2,12,3,13,4 and 14 were all double under spring traps. The smaller size #0,1 and 1 1/2 were single under spring, all of them had a circle stamp on the pan that read "Oneida Community, Ltd." and no brand name. They were originally called "Star" traps for the first few years they were produced. Oneida Community made a lot of different brands of traps until Feb. 1925 when they sold out their trap business to Animal Trap Comp. of America. A.T.C. continued to make some of the brands and discontinued the others. Oneida Community started cutting the "V" in the pan of Victor traps in 1909 as a trade mark and in 1914 started cutting the "V" in Oneida Jump pans as well, even though Oneida Jump traps are not Victors.


That is some enlightening information right there, thank you kindly my friend. wink

Re: #13 Jump [Re: snakecollector] #5570758
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Thank you so much! That really cleared up a lot of my questions.

Re: #13 Jump [Re: ADK95] #5589195
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What would be the value of a 13 like that?

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