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After Robert Vance, who is the most knowledgeable person on Newhouse traps?
Let a man meet a bear robbed of her cubs rather than a fool and his folly. Proverbs 17:12
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Re: For The Sake Of Conversation...
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OH BOY!! THIS IS GOING TO BE A FUN TOPIC TO WATCH!
X2 It is a real struggle for me to refrain from posting on the question posted.
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OH BOY!! THIS IS GOING TO BE A FUN TOPIC TO WATCH!
X2 It is a real struggle for me to refrain from posting on the question posted. It was/is for me too Nancy, that's why I decided to just post the response I did.
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newhousecattrapper probably gets my vote Bruce is in the top level,,cascade is right with him,,if they don't know the answer there Probally is no answer
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Re: For The Sake Of Conversation...
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I am surprised that wissmiss did not come up with a civil and educational response. As for the collectors that have been listed, it would be interesting to hear about how they got their start and who did they learn the most from. Thanks, Tom
Let a man meet a bear robbed of her cubs rather than a fool and his folly. Proverbs 17:12
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Re: For The Sake Of Conversation...
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What sort of response did you want from me?? Let's try this one.
When it comes to trap knowledge in general and Newhouse trap knowledge in particular, there are any number of people in the trap collecting world that are far more knowledgeable than Robert Vance. Some of them have been listed above but there are quite a few more. I choose not to add to the list because I am afraid I will forget some one and they will be offended.
As for myself, I enjoy trapping collecting as a hobby but I am far from being an expert when it comes to all the fine details - such as original chain types and all the other details that people tend to nit pik over. I tend to stay out of the nit pik discussions unless I absolutely know for sure what I'm talking about.
I am fortunate to have a very good memory and an excellent set of reference materials. So, when some one describes a trap or posts a picture, I am able to recognize what the trap is and respond accordingly. Some of the knowledge is automatic in my brain, otherwise I use my reference books. If you see a collector trap post about "what is this old trap" and I don't respond, it means I don't know the answer and I am waiting for some one more knowledgable to answer the question, rather than jump in with incorrect information.
And just for the record - I have made mistakes when posting trap information. Not many, but there have been a few in the 10+ years I've been on trapperman.
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Thankyou wissmiss. That is what I was looking for, An honest opinion or statements of fact. Not something that leaves you wondering "Just what the heck did they mean by that remark?"
Let a man meet a bear robbed of her cubs rather than a fool and his folly. Proverbs 17:12
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Re: For The Sake Of Conversation...
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Bruce1- Thanks for your input. Three thousand bear traps is an incredible number of bear traps to handle in a lifetime. I think Richard Gerstell would have to be high on the list.
Let a man meet a bear robbed of her cubs rather than a fool and his folly. Proverbs 17:12
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Wasn't Waymon Vest only a bear trap guy?
Let a man meet a bear robbed of her cubs rather than a fool and his folly. Proverbs 17:12
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Re: For The Sake Of Conversation...
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Waymon Vest knows a lot about any Newhouse. He is still around and lives in Texas.
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Re: For The Sake Of Conversation...
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It's not a hobby Bill, it's a disease.
"PURVEYOR OF FINE ANTIQUTIES and RARE TRAPS". Member... MTA/CFM/NTA/NRA/NATCA #0620
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Many of the pioneers to trap collecting were into antique steel traps long before the trap collecting clubs were ever thought of. All of these old timers have since passed away and a wealth of knowledge went with them, other than the small miniscule amount of knowledge they gifted to the lucky ones that were close to them, and payed close attention to what they said. I was fortunate enough, from the time I was four or five years old, to be associated with a gentleman who more than likely put more traps in peoples collections than any other,John Barbee. John was a wealth of knowledge and his main love as many of us was Newhouse Traps, and the history that surrounded the Newhouse Trap and the Oneida Community. From a very young age I was always fascinated by the different styles, designs, and history of antique Traps, and with my father and John being best of friends and the two a very instrumental part in starting the Missouri Trappers Association back in the late 50s, I was blessed with having known John from the time I was Four years old until John passed away on Feb, 1st 2010. With us only living 70 miles apart, there were very few weekends that passed where John was either down here, or Dad and I was up there. John was like my second father. and I learned a tremendous wealth of knowledge from him. The way one learns traps is to handle as well as scrutinize many many traps. It is something that is gained over many years of collecting, and one never stops learning, as there will always be something new and exciting surface that was never seen before. I look back at Alfred Williams and Dick Gerstell and it is utterly amazing to even fathom what they accomplished when you take into consideration their books, as this was back in a time when if you needed information you wrote letters, made phone calls, or drove many miles and put in many long days in doing research. Now with the advancement of modern technology as well as the computer and internet, it has made it so very easy for all of us now to find out just about anything with the stroke of a few keys. When one gets into the trap collecting guides, and there have been many published over the years from Frodelius & Bert, Donnie Bush, Vances books, and Toms guide, there is one common denominator that everyone must realize, and that is these books are exactly "GUIDES", not Bibles and prices will vary considerably, on any given day when selling from one collector to another, depending on how bad the buyer wants it, and how reluctant the seller is to get rid of it, and the condition of the item. But, in another sinister aspect, there are a few out there that have published articles, guides, and books, some of which plagiarized other peoples work, that are virtually a waist of the paper and print used to manufacture them. We constantly learn something new about the field we collect in everyday, I know I do. When it gets to the point that an individual feels like they know everything there is to know and even when they feel as though they do not know the answer, and make something up and believe it to be fact, then you have a problem. Greg (Cascade) and I have talked many times about writing an informative book on Newhouse which would include pictures,history, but no prices as prices are always fluctuating up and down. as between the two of us, there is not much out there that one or the other of us do not have, but like Dean (Snakecollector) said, time is of the essence, so maybe sometime in the future.
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Re: For The Sake Of Conversation...
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Before this thread is done, I would like to say that every time I talk with Mr. Vance he is very quick with answers to all my questions. He is not looking in a book for the answer, or beating around the bush. He answers any and every question faster than I can write it down. He is still very sharp mentally although he is bedridden. He is looking at and handling traps daily, as he has for 67 years of trap collecting. Mr. Vance told me that he did a lot of business with John Barbee [both selling and buying], and that he was quite knowledgeable.
Let a man meet a bear robbed of her cubs rather than a fool and his folly. Proverbs 17:12
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Re: For The Sake Of Conversation...
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I just bought the book by Donnie Bush. It is one of only six printed, second edition. Loaded with some really cool information.
Let a man meet a bear robbed of her cubs rather than a fool and his folly. Proverbs 17:12
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