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#495902 - 01/02/08 05:05 PM Beaver - Don Wolf: Drowning Rods
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Don, do you have any area's that are real sandy where you use these rods? Just wondering how they work in those conditions as i have a few spots like that and they are hard to stake down or use a drowning bag on as the smooth surface allows the bad to be drug back up and if you single stake the trap it's not going to hold.

Saw your set up on the other thread and thought id just start a new one so that one don't get too off course from it's original topic, lol.
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#495907 - 01/02/08 05:07 PM Re: Don Wolf: Drowning Rods [Re: Jtrapper]
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I aint Don but I use mine in sandy bottoms all the time. I just shove em in a little deeper and they hold just fine. If the upper end is sandy as well Ill use a 36" 3/8 T bar stake.


Edited by KYBOY (01/02/08 05:08 PM)
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#495911 - 01/02/08 05:08 PM Re: Don Wolf: Drowning Rods [Re: KYBOY]
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Thanks Ky. Ive never used them before but can see where if I had a few they would come in handy.
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#495918 - 01/02/08 05:11 PM Re: Don Wolf: Drowning Rods [Re: Jtrapper]
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I dont use them all the time but I keep some around. Their handy and can be carried in the truck easily. You can sure make sets fast with them.
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#495944 - 01/02/08 05:20 PM Re: Don Wolf: Drowning Rods [Re: KYBOY]
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If you use drowing rods corectly you don't have to stake or even drive the deep end Into the bottom. Build your rods with two places to stake on the bank end. I weld large washers about 12" a part on a 3/8" re bar and double stake, now the rod can't rotate back to the bank. The second washer Is welded off to the side.
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#495997 - 01/02/08 05:37 PM Re: Don Wolf: Drowning Rods [Re: The Beav]
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Interesting idea there Beav, thanks. Not real sure though what would keep the beaver down at the bottom without the rod either being pushed into the bottom or weighted down with something.
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#496427 - 01/02/08 07:58 PM Re: Don Wolf: Drowning Rods [Re: Jtrapper]
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TTT since Don's woke back up, lol.
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#496548 - 01/02/08 08:34 PM Re: Don Wolf: Drowning Rods [Re: Jtrapper]
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Good idea Beav. I believe that would work great in some deep water area I have. Real good idea.

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#496560 - 01/02/08 08:38 PM Re: Don Wolf: Drowning Rods [Re: LM Shortcut]
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Jackie, I dont think its meant to keep the beaver on the bottom but from reaching the bank. I would think the beaver would drown from the weight of the trap and drowning rod? Just a guess as I have never used anything but cable.
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#496635 - 01/02/08 09:05 PM Re: Don Wolf: Drowning Rods [Re: shanemoss]
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round here its rocky bottoms, can only go in about a foot, little beavers no problem, medium beavers sometimes a problem and giant beavers are on the bank every time looking like a dog caught in the chicken pen, rod bent in about 10 ushapes, incredible destruction for a long was up and down the bank lol, the things work so well in muddy bottoms its scary, we drowned some last year in the run going to the castor mound hip boot high and no wider than 3 feet, water was ankle deep all arounf the little deep spot and they just worked that darn good, beaver getting them out and that suction that goes on here with any kind of a stake in mucky mud was only problems, took a come along to break the suction on 3 of them we had 2 foot into the mud.
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#496798 - 01/02/08 10:32 PM Re: Don Wolf: Drowning Rods [Re: possum5676]
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I made 6 foot rebar stake with a cross bar welded on 18 inches up.......I stomp them into the sand of peat at a 45 degree angle away from my set (only as far as they will go not 6 feet).....no problems yet


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#496803 - 01/02/08 10:34 PM Re: Don Wolf: Drowning Rods [Re: possum5676]
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J I just came in from the fur shed. I do use those rods in sandy bottoms and some soft mucky striper pit bottoms. Like Ky Boy said, I just shove them a little deeper. If I jhave a real soft bottom and top to anchor to, I use a 32 in. x 1/2 rebar stake. Like I mentioned before, I have had 2 beaver pull the rods out of the bottom. One was my fault and the other was a beavers fault. Also I use a lot of snares with these things and beaver can fight a snare a lot better than it can a steel trap. Make you a couple and try then, ifin ya don't like em , pitch them in the garbage.


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#496811 - 01/02/08 10:39 PM Re: Don Wolf: Drowning Rods [Re: Vinke]
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Vinke...you mean on the deep end right? So the stake is actually a "T" stake with an extension?
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#496817 - 01/02/08 10:42 PM Re: Don Wolf: Drowning Rods [Re: shanemoss]
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Yes.........We have lots of peat so it works as stilts too \:\)
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#496881 - 01/02/08 11:17 PM Re: Don Wolf: Drowning Rods [Re: Vinke]
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Thanks Don and everyone else.
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#496901 - 01/02/08 11:34 PM Re: Don Wolf: Drowning Rods [Re: Jtrapper]
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Has anyone tried the barbed stake besides me? I made them for dams but i am finding it works great in sand and mud "so far"!..lol..I think it would hold better than a T stake. Wish someone else would try it just for feed back from different soils.

It was intended for anchoring to dams but so far it has worked everywhere i tried it.
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#496931 - 01/03/08 12:11 AM Re: Don Wolf: Drowning Rods [Re: shanemoss]
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at least if something pulls that its a drag too
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#496945 - 01/03/08 12:30 AM Re: Don Wolf: Drowning Rods [Re: lennitrapper]
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Weave that sucker into a dam and it aint going nowhere!
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#497162 - 01/03/08 08:29 AM Re: Don Wolf: Drowning Rods [Re: shanemoss]
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I can see where it has it's good points.

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#497190 - 01/03/08 08:58 AM Re: Don Wolf: Drowning Rods [Re: don Wolf]
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I can see where It will hold but getting It back out WOW.
I never had any problems staking or tying off at the dam. Just jam a heavy peel stick down and tie off close to the dam. Or weave your tie off through some poles In the dam and you should be good to go.

I have had a few twisted up slide rods but since I went to re bar It is at a minumum. And If they can't get back to the bank It's even less 3/8ths Is a minimum size for beaver. The longer the rod the more give It has It's kind of like a shock spring. The trap has to be well swiveled and lots of times I will add a weight like a tie plate or window weight to the trap chain to tire them out faster If I think they might pull the rod at the bottom end.


Edited by The Beav (01/03/08 09:00 AM)
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