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The Vegan Jesus argument Theology at it's worst. #435376
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As many of you already know I debate a lot of ARA . One of the most common lies I get from those ARA types is that God doesn't want animals killed by man & that we are herbivores ,not omnivore. I know that seems to be very ignorant of our biology & physiology but that is the approach adopted by those Vegans. They make the claim, while pumping supplements down their throat in order to get their needed intake of missing nutrients from meat & dairy products. They claim that Jesus is and was a vegan because He wants to save the animals and humans. For those here who know better but don't have the Theological back ground needed to dispute the Vegan lies, I have comprised this thread and will offer the readers some links that will help them find the words to counter the vegan lies.

This link will be very rewarding to those trying to sort out the truth about Vegan Jesus and Pete Singers deceiving commentary.

Here is a beginning to the Vegan Lie about Christianity , Judea Religion & and by extrapolation Islamic Religions.


"Christianity is our foe. If animal rights is to succeed, we must destroy the Judeo-Christian Religious tradition." Peter Singer, the "Father of Animal Rights"

What the Bible states about Singer and his followers.

1 Timothy 4

1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.


4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

I guess Vegans Jesus people are described as deceiving spirits forbidding to eat meat and damning us for thanking God for the meal. Those poor vegans can't read well enough to understand the words written about them 2000 years ago. Pretty sure God understands their lie though. Vegans offering the lie will be caught up in their blasphemy. Failing to acknowledge God created us omnivore, decided that we could not live in sin for eternity and gave us the option of having our flesh die so our Souls could be saved for eternity.




I hope our mods will see this as a thread that should be held to the top as many folks here have Faith in God and need to read this thread from time to time to get their own words together in defense of their Faith.


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Re: The Vegan Jesus argument Theology at it's wors [Re: Mira Trapper] #435381
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For those who wonder at Vegan' Jesus comments on this board about God & Jesus I think they might want to see what real Theologians think of their lie or ignorance. This link will be very rewarding to those trying to sort out the truth about Vegan Jesus and Pete Singers deceiving commentary.
http://www.firstthings.com/article.php3...
And then through one of the largest Bible Study sites on the internet.
http://www.gospelway.com/religiousgroups/anim...
You will also find a nice Background video on the real hope in Jesus & the Word which became flesh and why that flesh was to become Jesus the Savior.
http://www.thehopeproject.com/

I put those links up for you hunter Christians Jews & Islamics that strive to honor God by knowing Him as the Creator that is interested in our Souls and has stated all flesh must die. For those who read this forum and are trying to find their way as the omnivores that God created and are meat eaters who commission the deaths of animals, it is God's plan to have that happen. He created us Omnivore and as Jesus, He did ask for meat to eat and honored Jewish tradition of Thanking God for the many Religious Meats that He Himself ate as a practicing Jewish Rabi. When God asked Moses to build the Ark ,He denoted which humans would survive the flood but He established a great acknowledgement of who we are as humans when He asked Noah to pick the animals that would survive the flood. God gave us that power and respect for animals and our choices to use them as He provided.


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Re: The Vegan Jesus argument Theology at it's wors [Re: Mira Trapper] #435495
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Re: The Vegan Jesus argument Theology at it's wors [Re: jaridmark] #435629
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I appreciate your efforts, Mira trapper, but I am afraid that you have reached an erronious conclusion about Noah choosing the animals that were taken aboard the ark.
Genesis 6:19-20 make it plain that God not only made the decision as to which kind and how many were to be on the ark, He also delivered them to Noah. This is further defined by God in Gen.7:2-9.
Blessings,
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Mira Trapper! I was just thinking that I haven't seen one of your posts for ages now. Good to have you back. I always enjoyed your informative, well thought posts that showed how simple minded the ARA are and how we are in the right.

Clark


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Re: The Vegan Jesus argument Theology at it's wors [Re: Clark] #435737
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Re: The Vegan Jesus argument Theology at it's wors [Re: Terry] #435798
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 Originally Posted By: Terry
I appreciate your efforts, Mira trapper, but I am afraid that you have reached an erronious conclusion about Noah choosing the animals that were taken aboard the ark.
Genesis 6:19-20 make it plain that God not only made the decision as to which kind and how many were to be on the ark, He also delivered them to Noah. This is further defined by God in Gen.7:2-9.
Blessings,
Terry



You are partially correct and I am completely right Terry. God chose what animals He wanted and in what numbers but He gave Noah the reins in picking them to complete the plan.


In Context.

And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

2Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

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 Originally Posted By: cwilld
Might be easier on the eyes if the font were black. Reading that much red gave me a migraine...



Take a pill and start over. I use red to define my posts so I can find them easily later. That makes quotation marks redundant for me. The rest of you pick your own colors. \:D


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MATHEW 10 10 nor scrip for your journey neither two coats,neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.


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mathew 25 35 for i was hungered and ye gave me meat i was thirsty and ye gave me drink


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Luke 24:41

41And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, "Do you have anything here to eat?" 42They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43and he took it and ate it in their presence.

Great post Mira, head on...heads up..

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Acts 10

9On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:

10And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

11And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

12Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

13And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

14But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

15And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.


16This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.


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I recently read an article from Ken Ham, Creation Institute, concerning God's will for man. He referenced Gen. 1:29-30 supporting his claim that it has always been God's will for man to be vegatarian. I do not agree with his statement, so Mira Trapper, I would love to hear what you have to say.
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Pudge,

After the flood, God told Noah, "You WILL have them for MEAT." That was not a suggestion. God did not say SHALL or IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT. He said WILL. It is God's WILL.

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Thanks Mike for your response, lets hear some other points to debate with concerning this claim. Concerning Peters vision in Acts 10, I find it interesting that God offered food that was considered "unclean" in a previous time. The law has passed Peter, it is now a time of grace. To go further, that grace has been extended to all mankind, not a chosen people. That too is an explanation of Acts 10.

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God didn't give us canine teeth to eat veggies with. Cripes.

Greatest verse in the Bible is Genesis Ch 3 Vs 16
After God took a rib from man and made woman, He told woman, "your purpose is to serve him, and he shall rule over you". That's what it says in the original King James version. Needless to say, that verse has been diluted intensely over the years. (Great conversation starter at the card party.)

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