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Severe case of mange #3783942
04/30/13 10:14 AM
04/30/13 10:14 AM
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Northern Neck of Virginia
VAPAHunter Offline OP
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Got it in a elderly ladies backyard... she was worried because her grand kids were coming to visit.
Did it a real favor!

Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3783944
04/30/13 10:15 AM
04/30/13 10:15 AM
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East OK & West AR
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Wow! Yes, you did it a favor.

Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3784338
04/30/13 05:28 PM
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I believe that without proper bathing, sarcoptic mange can infest humans. As a matter of fact, I believe I saw it on a trapper once. ( of course bathing was really not part of his daily ritual )

Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3784435
04/30/13 06:49 PM
04/30/13 06:49 PM
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Oregon
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Poor thing.

Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3784450
04/30/13 06:58 PM
04/30/13 06:58 PM
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NM
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Paul is correct, though various forms of mange are host specific, they can and do inhabit other mammals including us for a period usually not longer than 7-10 days. Saw too many coyotes on our project in MI that succumbed to this in the dead of winter, -20 to -30 degrees overnight lows and no fur whatsoever. Usually loaded with porcupine quills trying to catch what little they were able to at that stage.

Definitely a rough way to leave the world.

Re: Severe case of mange [Re: Paul Winkelmann] #3784504
04/30/13 07:25 PM
04/30/13 07:25 PM
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The Hill Country of Texas
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Originally Posted By: Paul Winkelmann
I believe that without proper bathing, sarcoptic mange can infest humans. As a matter of fact, I believe I saw it on a trapper once. ( of course bathing was really not part of his daily ritual )


Yes- you can get it. I had a partner who dealt heavily in cleaned skulls and claws that would get mange salvaging what he could from nasty coyotes.
It didn't seem to bother him much- he would rub some motor oil on his skin and go on like it was nothing.


What"s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.
Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers


Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3784660
04/30/13 09:46 PM
04/30/13 09:46 PM
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Worst case of mange I've seen in a long time


http://www.speedywildliferemoval.com

Speedy Wildlife Removal serving Gainesville and all north Ga
Re: Severe case of mange [Re: Leftlane] #3784668
04/30/13 09:52 PM
04/30/13 09:52 PM
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St. Louis area
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It didn't seem to bother him much- he would rub some motor oil on his skin and go on like it was nothing. [/quote]
Yeah, lots of health benefits to motor oil!


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Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3784863
05/01/13 01:10 AM
05/01/13 01:10 AM
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That one would grade-Badly Rubbed-at Nafa.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3784923
05/01/13 06:50 AM
05/01/13 06:50 AM
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SW Pa
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I have had mange a few times over the years on my stomach from fleshing and working with wild canines.It is short lived in humans but nonetheless irritating during the infested time period.

Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3784942
05/01/13 07:20 AM
05/01/13 07:20 AM
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It turns out that my mange on my head was caused by age, and genetics. THANKS OBAMA!

Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3785081
05/01/13 10:41 AM
05/01/13 10:41 AM
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Northern Neck of Virginia
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Some close ups... It also had a lot of ticks ;-(



Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3785106
05/01/13 11:09 AM
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I used to say in every talk I gave our field personnel and others about wildlife disease and parasites that you have to remember that the external parasite load is mobile and as soon as the warm bodied host that is now dead and cooling is not suitable, if you are the closest warm blooded substitute, they are heading your way. I've seen this with a wide range of parasites including fleas, ticks, lice (louse), and many others.

You don't have to live in a lyme disease, plague endemic or other special area to pickup and take home these organisms and have issues. Most may just go away after some itching and scratching and a few days of discomfort, others can change or end life as you know it.

Obviously mange isn't going to kill you, but worth mentioning there are other things that will, or change your health for your lifetime and are extremely hard to detect even with modern medicine and the wrong doc checking you out.

Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3785532
05/01/13 05:55 PM
05/01/13 05:55 PM
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Yup, I agree. Im not sure if I woulda put that coyote in my truck. Worms gotta eat too right?

Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3787181
05/02/13 10:07 PM
05/02/13 10:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2010
Northern Neck of Virginia
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It was a Red Fox :-o

Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3789409
05/04/13 10:21 PM
05/04/13 10:21 PM
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Texas
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Texas
How could you think that's a coyote?

8-0

confused


-Texaswats
Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3796012
05/10/13 09:19 PM
05/10/13 09:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2012
Doniphan, MO
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That is one rough looking fox! You def. did it a favor!!!


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Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3796319
05/11/13 01:07 AM
05/11/13 01:07 AM
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mequon, wisconsin
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Got a call for a sick red fox. When I arrived, two gals were looking under the overhang of a beauty salon. This was a good hint. At first they wanted to wait for a rehabber but as long as I was there anyway, I thought I'd give it a shot.

Put two cages side by side, hit him with a beam from my flashlight and in went this poor, half blind, very mangy, red fox. Then the fun started.

Two beauticians popped out of the door and started screaming at me for taking their friendly fox. Then the other two gals asked what I would do with it. I said take a look at him; what do you think I'm going to do? Things were starting to become front page material when I was saved by a phone call.

The rehabber called back and said there is no way she can make it and that I had worked with her for thirty years and that they were darn lucky to have me. And yes, the fox certainly needed to be put down to prevent the mange from spreading. Obviously, hearing the same thing from another source was what they needed.

P.S. Yes, I was properly rewarded for my fine work. ( And I'm sure the beauticians still hate me )

Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3796709
05/11/13 01:21 PM
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give it a small dose of ivermectin and it will fur back up in a month or so.

Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3796911
05/11/13 05:16 PM
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Bob, from what I have learned, your cure is only good for recently infected adults and perhaps 75% infected young. ( I brought an infected litter in last year and the rehabber's vet told me that one more week, and they would have been incurable.)

Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3796952
05/11/13 06:18 PM
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I have recovered some severely infested fox and coyotes over the years when I made a living working fox and coyote for the pen runners. Some require a follow up injection after a couple of weeks when held in captivity but all did re establish hair growth within a few weeks after the first administration of the drug.

Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3797016
05/11/13 07:43 PM
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Bob, I'm interested. Did the heavy scabbing on the face and partial blindness disappear also?

Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3797651
05/12/13 09:53 AM
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I dont know of any parasitic treatment drug that will restore true blindness. However, that would depend upon whether the partial blindness was a direct result of the parasitic tissue inflamation, some direct trauma to the eye itself or a birth abnormality. In time if the restricted vision was a direct result from the sarcopic mange mite inflamation, then the vision should be restored as a result of the tissue regeneration of the skin and the subsequent subsiding of the inflamation.

I dont know how you would determine successful sight restoration on a wild fox or coyote under penned conditions.Brain compensentation for partial vision loss or impairment is a remarkable phenomenon in itself even in humans.

All scaling and scabbing will eventually release from the traumatized tissue areas as a result of new tissue regeneration and subsequent hair growth. Post drug adminstration mange recovery is truly remarkable if you have ever had an opportunity to observe the process over a period of weeks as I have seen.

The average individual will never have the experience to witness such a transformation so it would be difficult for them to perceive the recovery process without seeing it over a time lapsed period. Its amazing to observe the tissue reconstruction transformation process in mammals. I should have taken interval photos every couple of weeks to document the healing process.

Bob Wendt and I have done alot of recovery therapy over those years with contained animals to salvage an investment.He can tell you of his experiences as well I am sure if you contacted him.

I never made a practice of rehabbing extreme cases of mange, only those that were less then 10-15% infestated. However, I did work with a few extreme cases over the years just to see what the results would be as a personal case study experience. It just takes too long for the turn around process to take place to rehab an animal for sale from such an advanced condition. It can be done if adequate time for recovery is allowed.

Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3798152
05/12/13 06:36 PM
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Thank you ever so much for your time to thoroughly explain everything, Bob. I will be detailing everything you said to my favorite rehabber. ( She just does canines and raptors ) If she gets in any mangy canines, I believe she has the facilities to experiment without contaminating any other animals. I will keep you informed of any new info and thanks again.

Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3798176
05/12/13 07:02 PM
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Quarantineing of an infected animal and taking precautions as a handler to prevent parasitic transfer is something that needs consideration and a little education of the life cycle of this parasite and its behavior.That being said the sky is the limit with treatment potentials.

From my experience all mange infested animals that I treated responded to treatment noticibly within 2 weeks of the initial treatment.So I am not sure about the percentages that you initially stated from that other vet. Sounds like it may be a textbook diagnosis or taught statistics and not one from field doses of ivermectin of 30 years into wild canines.

I can only speak of my own experiences through those years and of another well known market trapper that is a veternarian also.

Re: Severe case of mange [Re: VAPAHunter] #3825348
06/01/13 02:36 AM
06/01/13 02:36 AM
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I would have sprayed that lady's back yard with insecticide. After that fox died all those ticks, lice, and what ever it had on its outside they would be looking for a new host.

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