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#320809 - 09/02/07 10:43 PM Re: Why you do NOT want to center swivel your traps? [Re: ]
JitterBug Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: St.Paris Ohio
Just use snares LOLOL then theres no debate, or is there?

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#320810 - 09/02/07 10:43 PM Re: Why you do NOT want to center swivel your traps? [Re: k9.]
Cattrax Offline
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Registered: 12/28/06
Loc: Wy
 Originally Posted By: k9.
I would think with baseplating that frame bowing would be a moot issue. How much chain you guys giving those coyotes?



Some times as much as 8' when used on a drag.
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#320813 - 09/02/07 10:45 PM Re: Why you do NOT want to center swivel your traps? [Re: Jtrapper]
Paul Dobbins Offline
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Registered: 12/22/06
Loc: Goldsboro, North Carolina
Well J, if the trap is "center swiveled" there will be no slippage because there will be a direct pull from the point of swivel to the point of catch. If the point of swivel is off center there will be a slippage of the foot to meet the center of pull, which is straight from any angle from a center pull.
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#320815 - 09/02/07 10:46 PM Re: Why you do NOT want to center swivel your traps? [Re: Cattrax]
k9. Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: Brooklyn, Iowa 45 years old st...
I suppose if he hooked into something solid. I'm not in drag country. I suppose lot's of you guys pre hook the drags in rocky terrain?

Not to get away from the subject but I am going to bottom swivelling and three swivels in the chains on my coon traps because of the bunches of grass, etc that our water caught coons pile up at the set location. I converted a few last year and really like the way they treat the coons when they bunch up piles of water grass.
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#320820 - 09/02/07 10:48 PM Re: Why you do NOT want to center swivel your traps? [Re: Paul Dobbins]
JitterBug Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: St.Paris Ohio
If swilved on the side and yote steps on the same?

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#320821 - 09/02/07 10:49 PM Re: Why you do NOT want to center swivel your traps? [Re: Paul Dobbins]
Jtrapper Offline


Registered: 12/22/06
Loc: Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...
Think we're talking two different things here:

1. Which cause's less foot damage? Centered of course.

2. Which will hold a 1 in a 100 toe caught's that would other wise escape? Side mounted but on bottom of trap.

I also feel a trap slides a certain amount even on centered traps until it gets it's final 'lock' on the foot, why most times if the animal is going to escape it's done in that first big lunge it makes after the trap first fires.
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#320833 - 09/02/07 10:54 PM Re: Why you do NOT want to center swivel your traps? [Re: JitterBug]
JitterBug Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: St.Paris Ohio
To me center is the best choice the trap is rounded and has its high spots which were the foot will end. Question is and Im thinking now , look at where the critter is caught.

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#320837 - 09/02/07 10:59 PM Re: Why you do NOT want to center swivel your traps? [Re: JitterBug]
Paul Dobbins Offline
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Registered: 12/22/06
Loc: Goldsboro, North Carolina
J, look at the radius from center as opposed to the radius from a corner. No comparison.
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#320840 - 09/02/07 11:01 PM Re: Why you do NOT want to center swivel your traps? [Re: Paul Dobbins]
JitterBug Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: St.Paris Ohio
It all depends on the critter.

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#320842 - 09/02/07 11:03 PM Re: Why you do NOT want to center swivel your traps? [Re: JitterBug]
Jtrapper Offline


Registered: 12/22/06
Loc: Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...
Slim call's this discussion a can of worms and i now see why, lol.
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#320844 - 09/02/07 11:06 PM Re: Why you do NOT want to center swivel your traps? [Re: Paul Dobbins]
dugout Offline
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Registered: 07/16/07
Loc: Maryland's Famous Eastern Shor...
This is a great thread, ADC, and a good discussion! We need slim to show up and help Jackie and I out, here... ;\)


Edited by dugout (09/02/07 11:07 PM)

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#320845 - 09/02/07 11:06 PM Re: Why you do NOT want to center swivel your traps? [Re: Jtrapper]
JitterBug Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: St.Paris Ohio
It all depends on the critter, where he feels his foot feels the best.

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#320856 - 09/02/07 11:13 PM Re: Why you do NOT want to center swivel your traps? [Re: JitterBug]
Creek Trapper Offline
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Registered: 02/03/07
Loc: Eastern Kansas
good grief. you people think too much.
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#320860 - 09/02/07 11:17 PM Re: Why you do NOT want to center swivel your traps? [Re: dugout]
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 Originally Posted By: dugout
This is a great thread, ADC, and a good discussion! We need slim to show up and help Jackie and I out, here... ;\)


It would be nice if he'd reply. There are others out there who could add to this discussion as well. I wish I had a few thousand coyotes to my credit so I could give prefference based on that, but instead I just tried to get a good discussion going so I can learn from it as well. If I'd said I like my traps all center swiveled, not sure we'd of been almost to page three already. \:\)

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#320863 - 09/02/07 11:18 PM Re: Why you do NOT want to center swivel your traps? [Re: Creek Trapper]
JitterBug Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: St.Paris Ohio
Can you imagine a critter looking down at the trap and looking to find out out where the swivel is lololol?

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#320883 - 09/02/07 11:32 PM Re: Why you do NOT want to center swivel your traps? [Re: JitterBug]
Billfrank Offline
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Registered: 12/22/06
Loc: TEXAS
I run alot of traps on the JC Conner style baseplate with the end hook-up D-ring. Works well for me.The yotes foot pull toward the lever where the tension is the tightest..
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#320888 - 09/02/07 11:35 PM Re: Why you do NOT want to center swivel your traps? [Re: Billfrank]
Jtrapper Offline


Registered: 12/22/06
Loc: Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...
Thank you Bill Frank!
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#320889 - 09/02/07 11:35 PM Re: Why you do NOT want to center swivel your traps? [Re: Billfrank]
KYBOY Offline
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Registered: 12/22/06
Loc: East, Kentucky
 Originally Posted By: Billfrank
I run alot of traps on the JC Conner style baseplate with the end hook-up D-ring. Works well for me.The yotes foot pull toward the lever where the tension is the tightest..


I wish all the big beaver traps had those kind of baseplates..Setting those big traps over your thigh with the d-ring digging in gets aggrevating..
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#320935 - 09/03/07 01:42 AM Re: Why you do NOT want to center swivel your traps? [Re: ]
thndrstck Offline
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Registered: 12/28/06
I don't trap strictly coyotes. I do have some MB650s and they are center swiveled but we ain't got alot of rocks here. I think I have one trap that isn't center swiveled. I do alot of drowning sets and makes sense to center.

Ultimately, why do I have all mine centered. Because somebody went on and on about how centered is the only way to trap!

One other thing. I do have a bunch of 750s. I think I would rather have the fingers in them at the edges rather than the center. Believe me I've had em in there in any form or fashion you can come up with. I can usually get my knife or a pair of pliers in between the jaws at the center and pry open to get out when caught on the edges.

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#320985 - 09/03/07 06:01 AM Re: Why you do NOT want to center swivel your trap [Re: thndrstck]
coop Offline
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Registered: 12/22/06
Loc: De
Is the real reason for the D-ringed baseplate frame strength OR center swiveling....or do you just basically get both for the same price(or close)?
Are Bridger traps stout enough framewise to just run a rivet thru the frame in the center, or would they bow? I have no experience with Bridgers, but know Vics will bow done this way.


Edited by coop (09/03/07 06:08 AM)

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