Re: Using ladder hooks and pur black
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2 ladders, one to get onto the roof, and the second one with the ladder hook(s) on it. I say "Hooks" because I believe that style is supposed to be used in pairs, not just one. Or, you can just separate the ladder sections if the lower half will get you up to the roofline and use the other half as the hooker. How about a chicken ladder? Or you can use roof jacks and a 2x to support the roof ladder (better than nothing, but I prefer chicken sticks) sometimes the customer freaks out when you tell them you're gonna poke holes in their roof. I have a type 1a Werner and I would NEVER use it like you have it set up in the video. Like I said before, they're designed for climbing, not scaffolding. If it wasn't extended at all, it wouldn't be so bad. But when you have it extended as you did, you put a lot of torque where it shouldn't be, on the rails. Of course, the more you extend it, the weaker the two sections become.
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Re: Using ladder hooks and pur black
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holy crap.... dont take this in the wrong way, but posting videos of how you do work on youtube NOT in accordance with OSHA is a huge red flag, and awaiting penalties and fines.
there are at least 6 other locations on the house where you can access the roof and get access to that one location. on a 12/12 pitch, again posting a video with out any safety harness anchor point on the roof is again, a big no no. If you are unsure of how to safely access a roof with proper tools (ladders) PPE, you should definately not be in this line of work.
I would recommend taking the OSHA 30 hour course online (189.00) for a start, get the proper tools, proper training, and then go from there.
People want to know why OTHER professionals want more regulations in this field? this is a huge example.
There Im done.
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Re: Using ladder hooks and pur black
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There is a wheel on the setup. Rolls real good. The hook part folds down flat for transport. It is heavier than your model, so we use it on a 14 foot.
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Re: Using ladder hooks and pur black
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http://youtu.be/-JaVvBQc9JI^^^ Just for you Pesky one other thing is why would you talk about your customer's investment like that on camera , sit down and think for a minute about what you said in that vid ! Unreal isnt it. Sometimes your better off to keep your mouth shut and in this case the camera off.
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Re: Using ladder hooks and pur black
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I think people are thinking I was just going to climb up it as it set ,I should have set up the other ladder next to it , I don't climb up it from the tire , I clime on it where it hits the roof on the garage , I use two ladders , I know the ladder would hold me but don't wish to bend or weaken my good ladder , i wasn't even wanting to show that any way I was showing off my hooks and foam I like . I know when I got my first hook ladder it was a whole new world , I was thinking there could be some guys out there that dint know about the hooks , but I geuss you can only talk about that stuff at seminars or something judging by the response . I fell off the roof last summer and it wasn't good , it was two weeks before I could even try to walk , six weeks till I could climb on a house and that was one legged , I was lucky the way I see it ? . I try to write something on here people make fun of me so then I post a video I get yelled at saying I don't belong on any job holy smokes , I guess posting on here is reserved for the prefect people in the world
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Re: Using ladder hooks and pur black
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I think people are thinking I was just going to climb up it as it set ,I should have set up the other ladder next to it , I don't climb up it from the tire , I clime on it where it hits the roof on the garage , I use two ladders , I know the ladder would hold me but don't wish to bend or weaken my good ladder , i wasn't even wanting to show that any way I was showing off my hooks and foam I like . I know when I got my first hook ladder it was a whole new world , I was thinking there could be some guys out there that dint know about the hooks , but I geuss you can only talk about that stuff at seminars or something judging by the response . I fell off the roof last summer and it wasn't good , it was two weeks before I could even try to walk , six weeks till I could climb on a house and that was one legged , I was lucky the way I see it ? . I try to write something on here people make fun of me so then I post a video I get yelled at saying I don't belong on any job holy smokes , I guess posting on here is reserved for the prefect people in the world try telling that to the OSHA inspector.
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Re: Using ladder hooks and pur black
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04/12/12 11:10 AM
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i thought we were all brothers from another mothers? Funny guy. Pesky's setup is one used millions of times each year across the country. Is it safe? Yes, if done with a second ladder which he should have mentioned. Is it osha compliant? I don't really know. Was Pesky running any risk of an osha inspection and fine? Absolutely not. Is he sorry he posted that video here? I expect so. But it is a good learning experience on ladder safety and posting videos here. It can't hurt to shoot for bullet proof status when it comes to safety.
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Re: Using ladder hooks and pur black
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well said SGS, This is actually one case where pesky volunteering his video created some discussion that I as one who just invested in hooks and a serious harness was interested in. So I will thank pesky for throwing himself into this one because for me you folks confirmed some things and an important discussion about safety is being had here. From here could go on further and go away from what is wrong with his setup and instead lets see other folks doing it the way it can be done or sharing the equipment they bought like nic and dave shared. My current roof needs are in one area of the state, otherwise everything is nice and flat for the most part and I am a bit spoiled. Now I'm up on metal roofing with serious pitches and can see why so many guys opt for the lift and build it into the bid. I would still have to get on the roof physically in places, but the back of the place I'm working on now I've decided to let the ground harden a bit and do a lift rental versus risking my neck (the only neck employed and bringing in income in my little company). So how about it, Bud had a good suggestion on the OSHA course. Last year I was trying to find a good rope access course that covered multiple topics from roof rigging to other types of harness and rope work including rappelling and others. Ended up running out of time before company launched, but am still looking into those types. I took a rock climbing course professionally last year and it was worth the money in knowing how to make anchor points, be correctly tied in and have redundant anchor systems. Still isn't totally applicable to roof work but the concepts in safety are very similar, other than in climbing you know you will fall often daily and hourly but you want to know your anchor is "bomber" as they say. So lets move on and keep this going but in a productive way. Justin i thought we were all brothers from another mothers? Funny guy. Pesky's setup is one used millions of times each year across the country. Is it safe? Yes, if done with a second ladder which he should have mentioned. Is it osha compliant? I don't really know. Was Pesky running any risk of an osha inspection and fine? Absolutely not. Is he sorry he posted that video here? I expect so. But it is a good learning experience on ladder safety and posting videos here. It can't hurt to shoot for bullet proof status when it comes to safety.
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Re: Using ladder hooks and pur black
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04/12/12 05:39 PM
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Thanks for sharing, Pesky. It is great that people are learning and using the post in a productive manner. Remember the rules....no flaming...
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Re: Using ladder hooks and pur black
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i thought we were all brothers from another mothers? . Was Pesky running any risk of an osha inspection and fine? Absolutely not. wanna bet? all it takes is a phone call.
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Re: Using ladder hooks and pur black
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04/13/12 07:40 AM
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Sqs, please review the fall protection standard for construction...and the defintion of a steep roof.
osha.gov/doc/outreachtraining/htmlfiles/subpartm.html
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Re: Using ladder hooks and pur black
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I've seen OSHA come out on construction jobs. One time I caused the visit because the inspector saw me on the skyline walking a 2x8 carrying a sheet of plywood, from the interstate. Said I needed to be tied off to something, there was nothing there except the rickety scaffold I was building. Inspectors used that and other instances as "teachable moments." I have never seen or heard of fines, unless someone was dead or missing a major body part. (I have heard that they are worse up north, where everything is unionized). Alot of OSHA regulations are downright silly, wearing a hardhat so a 3,000 pound piece of steel doesn't give you a boo-boo on your head while it crushes you, for instance.
You really cant regulate safety, it's something people have to learn to prioritize on their own. Some people are smart, some bold, some just need more experience to scare the bold into smart. Some will never learn. Darwin had a theory about that.
Be careful out there.
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Re: Using ladder hooks and pur black
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Sqs, you need to use a fall protection harness....in addition to the ladder hook set up. On the ladder set up, you have to follow the labels on the side of the ladder.
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Re: Using ladder hooks and pur black
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wanna bet? all it takes is a phone call. Tattle tail,,,,,,,,,,,lol OSHA has not authority over Pesky concerning fall protection ,,,,,,,
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Re: Using ladder hooks and pur black
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Thanks Vinke. I've been looking for the regulation concerning osha's authority and finally found this... link Question 1: Can OSHA cite a self-employed individual working on a construction site for violations of OSHA construction standards?
Answer: No. If a construction worker is truly self-employed — is not an employee — and has no employees working for him or her, OSHA has no authority to require that individual to abide by OSHA construction requirements. Looks like you're off the hook Pesky. Unless, of course, there are even more regulations from the nanny state.
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Re: Using ladder hooks and pur black
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Except, there are employees in this example. Kids are employees...although they may be exempt from some employment taxes. The real risk is not the cost of the OSHA fine....it is the injury. Has anyone found tools to make that job safer? Be safe out there!
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Re: Using ladder hooks and pur black
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Concerning OSHA not the ladder set up. One time I rented a lift for a very quick job I set the lift up and semi blocked slow moving traffic. Had out cones individual directing traffic and and I didn't have a permit to block the street. In a hurry I set the lift up jumped in it went up and was making an exclusion when I realized I never put my harness on. I was working fast to get done before anyone saw me when a man with an id in his hand screaming at me about osha, the harness, violating the law and I figured I wasgoing to pay big time. He began to question me while I was still up there about whether I was a sole proprietor, was I the owner? I answered apolegeticall yes. He told me I was exempt from the harness requirement but it wasn't smart and he was very sensitive about safety. A agreed and apologized again. Said I wouldn't do it again and he left before I came down. I have never forgot the harness again. Since then I have been told by peoples opinion I respect that I was not exempt. That my personal experience. Whats the law? I'm getting ready to start only doing moles and horse farms because I know I am only one fall away from disability or cremation and a lot of people need me working...cremating might work but I can't afford to be disabled. I'd rather be in a gunfight than a fight with gravity. I have done worse things than Pesky's video not bragging just fact but I'm not telling anymore.
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Re: Using ladder hooks and pur black
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That my personal experience. Whats the law? Seeing that link I posted is to the United States Department of Labor Occupational Safety & Health Administration's website, I think it's safe to say it's the law.
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Re: Using ladder hooks and pur black
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Wow! Interesting topic, great viewpoints. The best one is Paul Brooker's "I'd rather be in a gunfight than a fight with gravity." Gravity never sleeps. Thanks for your comments, Jordan.
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Re: Using ladder hooks and pur black
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Sounds like things must be differnt in other states OSHA doesn't stop people from working here , roofers dont use a harness they use two pieces of foam rubber to stay on the roof , I went to trade school then worked over twenty years in constuction and still have never seen OSHA or any body with a harness system , we do wear them deer hunting , Michigan was a getter done state ,now we're down the toilet , house are selling for 30 cents on the dollar . Poeple are loosing jobs faster than every , had three poeple in one day last week tell me they just lost there job . Cant really see this state coming back , GM ford ect starting pay now is 11 bucks ahour and 14 tops and most of them jobs went to Mexico anyway , nice thing lots of good fishing around there's hardly anybody out there anymore . You know your broke when you can't even fish ,
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Re: Using ladder hooks and pur black
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