#30747 - 01/10/07 03:51 PM
Wolverine thread/archive
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#30794 - 01/10/07 04:09 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: trapperjoeAK]
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: Trapping the Yukon Delta, A...
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Awesome Thanks What a great tip. Will be setting a few as soon as the storm clears. Vertical about two feet off the ground seems about right. A couple of wire holes in the back of the bucket to feed through a couple of ties of #14 would be good too I think. Thanks Joe and Piper for the Great tip!!!
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#30800 - 01/10/07 04:14 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: Family Trapper]
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"AMY SUE"
Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 4593
Loc: Nome, Alaska
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Thank you mucho!!
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#30865 - 01/10/07 04:33 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: trapperjoeAK]
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 889
Loc: Alaska
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Trapperjoeak : Thanks for the effort. Your ears are alittle different than mine but look good . My sets are horizontal and a few feet off the ground to be weatherproof. Trying to come up with photos to post. Thanks.
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#31162 - 01/10/07 06:11 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: Dusty]
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 792
Loc: Nome, Ak.
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What the heck good does that do me and Alaskan............we haven't got any trees to wire to!!!!!!!!!Hahaha. Just kidding. Years ago when I was in the interior, I had wooden boxes for coni's that I used for wolverine. I set them as Joe descibied, vetical, a couple feet off the ground. Well, some I did, some I set jutting out from the tree. Vertical worked fairly well. I think NOT being able to see the bait, and NOT being able to see most of the coni, combine to make this an effective set. Thanks, Joe
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#31179 - 01/10/07 06:16 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: martentrapper]
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"AMY SUE"
Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 4593
Loc: Nome, Alaska
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MT- I'll have you know I have a secret plan to grow some trees. Thats all I can tell you now though, because, as I said, its a secret plan.
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#31203 - 01/10/07 06:20 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: martentrapper]
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 862
Loc: Eagle River,AK
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I've read somewhere where a guy was using milk crates.Anyone ever try?
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#31209 - 01/10/07 06:21 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: trailblazersteve]
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 862
Loc: Eagle River,AK
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Alaskan is growing SOMETHING alright!
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#31252 - 01/10/07 06:31 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: trailblazersteve]
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 2119
Loc: SW Alaska
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Steve I have seen the pictures of the 330s on a milk crate someplace but do not remember where. I do recall some of the discussion being they where abit shallow in depth and thoughts led to the wolverine possibly being able to rob the baits as a result but thats just my memory not known fact
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#31284 - 01/10/07 06:39 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: trapperjoeAK]
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 862
Loc: Eagle River,AK
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I tried them a few years ago and found them to be pretty shallow also.Had no takers either,had lynx walking right by them.Good meeting you last night at the trappers meeting Joe!
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#31303 - 01/10/07 06:44 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: trailblazersteve]
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 862
Loc: Eagle River,AK
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Great meeting you to Ted,lol.I cut out the handles also and I think they hold a 330 nicely but thought they we're just to shallow.Thought about taking the back off of one to extend them but don't have any wolverines to get excited about up at the lake.
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#31353 - 01/10/07 07:08 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: Gator Jr.]
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 89
Loc: Saskatchewan
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I used the milk crates for years in the Yukon and found they worked slick.  I would take a big hunk of moose hide and singe the hair in a fire, wire it to the back of the crate, and then wire the crate to a tree. I don't remember having any particular problems with them, and I caught the odd lynx as bonus. I'd recomend them to anyone for wolverine. Sure liked 330s better than foot trapping them.
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#31462 - 01/10/07 07:39 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: wolfskinner]
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 792
Loc: Nome, Ak.
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So if one crate is to shallow, couldn't you cut out the bottom of one and wire 2 together? mt
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#31464 - 01/10/07 07:39 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: wolfskinner]
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 828
Loc: Hardin , Montana
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Thanks Joe and wolf for the great idea's , I've ofter wondered about how to set 330's in a set like this . Now if we had a few more wolverines in this part of the state LOL . Best Wishes , amtrapper
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#31783 - 01/10/07 08:51 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: amtrapper]
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 889
Loc: Alaska
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I prefer the buckets for depth ( bait ) and secure fit. But people have done ok wiring them to a steel fence post and planting them in the high country snow , where there are no trees to set to.
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#31935 - 01/10/07 09:24 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: piperniner]
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 792
Loc: Nome, Ak.
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Wow, piper, what an idea. Buckets on fence posts. A guy could go hog wild around here with that. A 2x4 would work great. Carry a little water to freeze in and a guy could put those ANYWHERE! mt
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#32173 - 01/10/07 10:59 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: martentrapper]
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trapper
Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 889
Loc: Alaska
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Martentrapper : I was actually referring to crates in regards to the fence posts. The buckets forward cg is not so good on single posts. Could probably make it work though. With either container and just a foot of snow or so, you could freeze in a log like you do with log drags. Then use the log as a tee bottom for stability. If Tundra only, could freeze in some support with the water like you said. All sorts of possibilities. I'm glad I have had trees most of the time.
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#32208 - 01/10/07 11:16 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: piperniner]
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 889
Loc: Alaska
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Well I see Fish came through - Thanks Fish. The photo's show how I set app. 30" off the ground. I usually tamp the snow down with my snowshoes, or can raise the set if you need to. Two of these photo's show the set lower because I was picking them up for the season. A cable goes from the spring to up around the tree or branch. Paper wired to tree is what bait was wrapped in and it would be the same place I would put lure. Cut out ears hold the trap completely inside bucket, secure and unobstructed. It works well for me.
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#32984 - 01/11/07 02:52 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: piperniner]
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: Trapping the Yukon Delta, A...
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Piper any chance of getting some close ups of your ears just to see the differences. This is great stuff. Piper have you had any problems with voles on the wolverine? What about putting them 5 feet off the snow and hang them in the air after getting caught. Dusty good info on the haiscreen marten proofer. Hail screen. Are you just talking hardware cloth. I think is what some call it. wire mess with 1/ 4 inch squares? or smaller? Good thread folks.
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#33443 - 01/11/07 06:23 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: Family Trapper]
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trapper
Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 889
Loc: Alaska
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FT : Nothing has ever touched my catch, even after frozen in for quite awhile when weather prohibited travel. Although most critters avoid these animals, something would go for it in time. In my opinion, if you set to high, you may cut down your odds. At app. 3 or 4 feet, you are accomplishing your goal of a weatherproof set . When checking, you can stomp down big snows or raise if need be. Putting cable higher up tree assures the animal is pretty much off the ground. Not so much for voles and such, but so he does not freeze in and damage guard hair when you pick him up. Construction : Place bucket on bench open end up. Go to where bucket handle enters bucket. Directly above that point on outside lip - make a mark 3" left and 3" right of that point. Repeat procedure on other side. Now take a saber saw and cut in at the two marks at a 45 degree angle. Cut in 2" which is the first lip on most buckets. Cut other side the same way. Now cut out the 2" strips all the way around so you are left with two 6" ears. If you cut the ears 8" the trap will be tighter but to long and it's too tight. You can cut the ears whatever length you like for your preference for tightness/looseness. #14 wire is your friend for this set. You can wire a keeper to keep trap from falling forward and you will need to re-tighten everything with expansion/contraction due temp. fluctuations. Some fine tuning but this is pretty much it.
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#33703 - 01/11/07 07:57 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: piperniner]
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 679
Loc: massachusettes New England
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#34106 - 01/12/07 01:42 AM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: Greatwhitehunter]
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 792
Loc: Nome, Ak.
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Here's a dual species set I use around here. A cubby type of set with bait and a trap for lynx, then a couple snaresa for wolverine. This particular set caught 2 lynx in the left hand snare a couple years ago.  If there's plenty of lynx sign, I'll snowshoe, or stomp, a trail leading away from the set, maybe 2 trails, and hang lynx snares there. We, the pard and I, have caught wolverine in these type of sets regularly, and they often end up in both trap and snare. mt
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#56597 - 01/25/07 02:28 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: martentrapper]
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trapper
Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 792
Loc: Nome, Ak.
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Piper: How weather proof is your way of setting buckets? Do you set the bucket a particular way in accordance with prevailing wind? We get alot of sideways snow out here, I'm sure a horizontal bucket will fill with snow somehow. mt
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#58569 - 01/26/07 02:32 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: trapperjoeAK]
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trapper
Registered: 01/12/07
Posts: 131
Loc: Tazlina, Alaska
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Hey, I am a defector from the "other" forum. I am the trapper formely known as coreys. I thing I only posted 10 times or so there, mostly just watched and read. I have been reading this forum for about a month now and really like the people on it. I have had multiple exclusive wolverine lines in the past and look forward to sharing some things I have learned. This post is to just to say hello and see if I can figure out posting pictures. Here is one of my favorite pictures and actually has a little to do with the last post. I trap up in mountainous county and it is near impossible to keep sets from blowing in where I am at, and I just accept the fact that some sets will blow in. No matter how poor the odds are a potential set will blow in, if it is on hot tracks, I typically make it. It looks like this is previewing all right so I am going to submit it and look for some other pictures to post. 
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#58862 - 01/26/07 05:55 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: guloboy]
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Registered: 01/12/07
Posts: 131
Loc: Tazlina, Alaska
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I rounded up some recent photos, I hope people enjoy them. I have caught wolverine in modified round buckets similar to the ones in the pictures that started the post. However, I saw these square buckets a few years ago when I was working in SW AK and got some for trapping. The are the perfect shape for a 330 and I think they look better as a "set" than the round buckets. Here are some pics. BEFORE  AFTER  and BEFORE  AFTER  Here is a pic from last years final check.  Just so you know, I prefer a more natural looking set, and only use buckets when a more natural looking set is not available or would be difficult to construct, or if I am short on time. I'll post some pics of non bucket sets right after this one.
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#58892 - 01/26/07 06:07 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: guloboy]
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trapper
Registered: 01/12/07
Posts: 131
Loc: Tazlina, Alaska
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So like I said, I prefer a more natural looking set. Here is a pic of a successful natural cubby set. The trap was to the right underneath the leaning tree.  Here are is another natural looking set: BEFORE  AFTER (It got warm and the snow melted a little)  and BEFORE  AFTER (Again,it got warm and some snow melted)  Here is a pic of another one of my favorite photos: 
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#58897 - 01/26/07 06:11 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: guloboy]
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 1856
Loc: Trapping the Yukon Delta, A...
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Very nice Guloboy. Glad to have you on here. Great photos!! Are you finding you get some refusals on the buckets is that why you go the natural set. Or just like it that way? Do you just set on tracks as a rule? Do you market to taxidermist? Or the fur market? I like your buckets. I have seen only one like yours and have no idea where it came from. Any idea where a guy could get some square buckets like yours. Here is a bucket set I made last week on fresh tracks. Man the wolverine came back the night before I went through in the same exact location. A great bluff that pushes him out and around. Nice to see he or she is an habitual traveler. Looks like a two week turnaround on him unless his old track was covered. Should be an easy one to pick up I hope. Good sized wolverine. Got the bucket set so he will hang out over a drop off when caught. The bucket set up is quick and easy alright. I made two other leaning pole sets for other wolverine as well. Combo set 330 and 110.
Edited by Family Trapper (01/26/07 06:18 PM)
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#59133 - 01/26/07 07:54 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: Family Trapper]
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trapper
Registered: 01/12/07
Posts: 131
Loc: Tazlina, Alaska
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Family Trapper:
I got the buckets from a fish processing place in Bristol Bay. I think it was Peter Pan Inc. I saw them in a catalog since then, but I cannot remember which one. If I find out, I will post the information.
I get refusals in buckets and natural cubbies, I just like the look of the natural cubby and can only assume it would work better, but I have no way of knowing that. I have just accepted the fact that not all wolverine want to stick there heads in 330's, no matter what you do to entice them.
I do have a suggestion for you though, I would not use the chain on those 330s. A 330 does not always immediately dispatch a wolverine, and the chains on those 330s are not real good. Look at it this way, a wolverine is as strong as a wolf, would you want to use that chain to hold a wolf? Also, my pictures are poor examples, but I would not suggest using 9 gauge wire either. Last year I had a 330 caught wolverine break the 9 gauge wire I had securing it to a log. It twisted and twisted and the wire broke. Amazingly, I found the wolverine close by dead. My brother had one break his 9 gauge wire also (a 330 catch), and he tracked it for miles to no avail. I am not trapping wolverine this year, but before I do next year, I am going to use 1/8 or 3/16 7x7 cable as my linkage from the trap to the tree/drag. I am also going to use some type of swivel in the linkage.
95% of the time this will be overkill, but I think it is worth doing.
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#59486 - 01/26/07 10:21 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: Family Trapper]
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trapper
Registered: 01/03/07
Posts: 1652
Loc: North Pole Alaska
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Thanks for the pictures and welcome Gulo. I very seldom have any wolverine on my line, I saw 1 track this year.
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#59654 - 01/27/07 05:35 AM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: guloboy]
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trapper
Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 1671
Loc: Fairbanks, Alaska
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That question reminds me of Audrey's little experiment to see "what scent" was most attractive to the young wolverines that she was raising and studying.
We all turn ourselves inside out trying to avoid getting oil or gas on our trapping gear. So naturally, in her experiment, it turned out that AvGas was the #1 attractant.....!
Who would have thunk it?
Pete
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#59665 - 01/27/07 05:56 AM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: guloboy]
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trapper
Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 149
Loc: North Pole, Alaska
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Looks like this one hit a 160 set for a martin and broke the anchor wire and you tracked her down. Is that the case or am I way off on this one?
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#60835 - 01/27/07 09:16 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: guloboy]
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trapper
Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 149
Loc: North Pole, Alaska
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WOW, you gotta admit that picture is deceptive, thanks for the pics globoy!
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#61058 - 01/28/07 02:44 AM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: RECONDO]
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trapper
Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 31
Loc: fairbanks alaska
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Hey guloboy, Nice pictures and examples of sets.Do you have a preferred bait for wolverines?
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#61070 - 01/28/07 04:50 AM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: Alaskacajun]
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trapper
Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 149
Loc: North Pole, Alaska
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AkCajun-
I take it the package hasn't arrived to your location yet? Your gonna get a good laugh!
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#62470 - 01/28/07 09:53 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: trapperjoeAK]
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trapper
Registered: 01/12/07
Posts: 131
Loc: Tazlina, Alaska
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I have caught wolverine with rotten beaver, fresh beaver, sheep scraps, caribou scraps, moose scraps, caribou heads, caribou backbone and herring. You know what I found works best: whatever caught the wolverine that day. Last year I caught 8 wolverine. I had beaver in about half the sets (10 total), caribou scraps in about 5 sets and caribou backbone segments in about 5 sets. Four of the wolverine were caught in traps baited with backbone. Funny thing is, this goes against the concept that big stinky baits works best with wolverine. I tried to rationalize that caribou backbone was a good bait because where I trap, that is probably what wolverine frequently scavenge. Who knows though? I will tell you I am going to use caribou backbone again next year, but I am also going to use beaver and whatever else I can get my hands on. More important than bait is location. Here is a pic of a wolverine that fell for caribou backbone. Another good thing about backbone is ermine, mink, marten, shrews, etc. can never steal the bait. 
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#62551 - 01/28/07 10:56 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: guloboy]
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 889
Loc: Alaska
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Martentrapper : The set is as weatherproof as one is going to get. The downward incline also helps to keep snow out , but as you know, weather is weather. Yes, I consider prevailing wind for scent and southern exposure for softening bait resulting in a bit more scent. But it doesn't seem to matter that much . I experimented one year with no lure and did just as well. In essence, if you set on the tracks, your will most likely get the animal. I prefer the round buckets because the ears hold it very tight and additional wire secures it even more. I agree with gulo , big piece of beaver or whatever they are used too. I do well on moose also ( permit - which reminds me - be careful about saying scraps. It's hide , viscera or bone unless you have a permit . I mentioned scraps once with F@G and was quickly corrected ) . Anyway, Don't have to worry about human scent ( IMO ) trapping wolverine. Just give them a big piece of meat. Also agree with Gulo regarding getting rid of the chain on the 330's. I makeup 3/32 ( no swivels ) cable with swaged loops on both ends. Cable to tree and your set. My trapping is also mostly wolverine, as my mode of travel does not allow much time for anything else. As I have said before, they are a unique animal and a genuine prize. Great thread.
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#77285 - 02/07/07 12:54 AM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: RECONDO]
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trapper
Registered: 01/10/07
Posts: 320
Loc: Kenny Lake, Alaska
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Nice pictues Corey. I like using wood boxes myself even though I can only haul a handful of them at a time. They seem to protect the trap better and stay working longer in deep snow and chinook conditions.
That second to last picture of yours, with the nice colored wolverine in the stick cubby. Is the trap already taken off him? If not, he must have really tucked his head when the trap snapped for the front trap jaws to miss and the rears catch him at mid body? You'd think caught like that though, he'd destroy that whole area, unless it broke his neck.
Good pictures
Pete B, I hope life's treating you well this winter. Aren't you out of the fire business yet?? I miss those days only slightly.
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#128127 - 03/08/07 09:32 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: wilsonjr]
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trapper
Registered: 02/04/07
Posts: 7
Loc: eastren townships quebec
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nice just wondring how many wolverins do u guy chaght a year
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#140479 - 03/17/07 09:59 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: RECONDO]
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"General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"
Registered: 03/17/07
Posts: 11263
Loc: McGrath, AK
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I'll second that sentiment on the chains. I had a gulo pull out of a 330 this year and the chain ring was pulled oval. Other than that, I managed to keep a 34 year record going this season of NEVER having caught a wolverine in a bucket. I had 5 refusals and the one pull out. I'll sick with footholds as I can make them work.
Nice pix. good info.
hey 9'er; We expected to see you stop by for a vist this year.
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#140545 - 03/17/07 11:58 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: white17]
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trapper
Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 889
Loc: Alaska
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Was in the plans until the pneumonia hit. Would have loved to do it though. Hopefully next year.
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#150137 - 03/23/07 06:14 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: piperniner]
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trapper
Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 2119
Loc: SW Alaska
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Posted by Martnetrapper Len, one of the more successful wolverine trappers in Unk. told me he often just uses lure. A strong smell without the sight of the source gets wolverine moving around an area. He tramps a trail around his lure spot, then sets snares in his trail. Tramp the trail purposely by some stout trees/willows to use as an anchor for the snare. Put the lure 4 or more feet off the ground. You might try using the topo maps to help pinpoint possible spots wolverine might cross your line. Or look for spots close to your line that might be likely wolverine travel spots. Around here I regularly set the mouths of small creeks where they come into a larger drainage. Good luck on the wolverine.
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#150138 - 03/23/07 06:14 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
[Re: otterman]
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trapper
Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 2119
Loc: SW Alaska
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Posted by Takotna ftrapper, simialr to what mt said, I'd just drag my feet through a tight spot here and there off your trail a little and in sight of some of your marten sets, when they first hit my trail they follow quite aways investigating everything, it's quick and no bait to pack along, at least till you know the area where they come to or exit your trail and you can make a baited set where it will do the most good.
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#150145 - 03/23/07 06:21 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
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F.T.: Like M.T. said, small creeks where they enter larger valleys or flats, Willow/alder choked drainages and steep ravines where they intersect larger open areas, sloughs and rivers that they are following looking for kills, the usual beaver houses , etc. I'm a believer in a big hunk of bait to temp them in. If you cut a track, set a bucket and you will get him, if it's constructed right. If you like snares or footholds - that's fine to. White's foot holds in front of tree set seems to work well and Tokotna sure does well with snares. I just prefer finding them suspended and frozen, since I sometimes can't check as often as those on a machine due to weather. Plus , other than to rebait, I dont have to stop if nothing seen as as I go by. A good stinky castor/skunk tinxure lure has always worked real good for me also. Give us one more cold weather critique ( no heat ) on the wiggys bag. I never have believed his claims as you know. Good luck.
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#150154 - 03/23/07 06:28 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
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Posted by martentrapper A 3 in. spruce should handle a wolverine. They will chew, but mostly around the anchor. They pull away from the anchor. Tie the snare up high as best you can. As the animal spins and the cable kinks, he will lift himself off the ground. I had one once, a female, that hardly fought at all. She was on a real long snare and hardly kinked it. It was anchored high. I was suggesting placing the lure 4 ft. or more off the ground. I think Kens set with elevated bait with traps would be a good one. Also his wolverine pole with a snare.
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#151662 - 03/24/07 09:20 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
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question asked by Kusko Question for all of you Lynx and Wolverine guys. Would it pay for me to make a few sets even if we haven't cut any tracks yet. We know there are some in the area, but with the blowing snow conditions, finding tracks has been hard
Reply from Piperniner Kusko : It pays to set even without tracks, especially the pinch points and areas mentioned in recent posts to F.T. on the subject ( wolverine ). The odds are alot less than setting on tracks is all. Also, even though you are open until March, I found they often have busted guard hairs ( rubbed ) by end of Feb.. My preference was to cut off by then and save them for following year. They are traveling alot more by then though. Dont have much lynx experience, but would think same applies as to setting.
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#154492 - 03/26/07 10:02 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
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Posted by Martentrapper After 3 months of trapping season, I finally have something to brag about, or at least show off. Caught our first (notice I said "first", meaning more to come) wolverine today. Got it in the official western Alaska version of the white 17 wolverine pole set:  Seems to be an older male. Good sized, but not real long fur. Good enough for now tho. Lots of tracks now. Got out more sets and feeling pretty confident we'll catch more There are 2 poles on that pole set. Hard to find a 6 in. pole around here, so usually use 2. The wolverine was hung and dead. Twisted the snare up good tho. A before pic would be almost identical, Takotna, just without the wolverine and the snare hanging about 2 ft. from the bait. The snare was a snare shop wolf snare like you use. mt
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#154517 - 03/26/07 10:21 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
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Posted by Family trapper A side note Here are the fallopian tubes from the female wolverine I got last time. If you didn't know they have a delayed implantation. They were bred last summer and the egg implants now. Or something like that. I was curious to see if anything was going on and had a look. You can see three bulges in the tubes. I am presuming that it is three young beginning to form. There was nothing visible in them when I cut them open. Just fluid. I guess the area is getting ready for growth however. Dusty!!! Need some input here. Caught around first week in Feb. response by guloboy Those balls are the early stages of the development of three fetuses. Wolverine breed anytime during summer (primarily May, June and July). They do have delayed implantation, which typically occurs in Jan or February. The gestation period is about 6 weeks. That means the female wolverine you caught was going to give birth to 3 wolverine in about 5 weeks from the date you caught her, based on my guess that implantation occured about a week before you caught her. Well, I least that is what I think.
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#155872 - 03/27/07 08:22 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
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Registered: 12/22/06
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Posted by martentrapper
What is the point of swivelling a wolverine snare? By the time he pulls it tight, he'll have 30 in. of cable between him and the swivel, and will wrap around a tree and kink it anyway. If it's an elevated snare, even more reason you don't need a swivel. He'll expire from hanging before he breaks the snare. Yes, Len, mine are loaded. The key I think is having the snare 18 or more inches from the bait so by the time his nose touches the bait, the snare is too tight to back out of. Loading obviously helps. I do find it harder to get a good load on the 1/8th, 7x7. I prefer the snare to be 90 degrees to the pole. You can't do that with a swivelled snare, unless you use wammies. Crimping the snare directly to #9 wire allows you to hang the snare at an angle, to some degree. Make sure your leaning pole isn't too steep, but have the bait high enough, the snare too, that he is left hanging once he jumps off. mt
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#155912 - 03/27/07 08:38 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
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Posted by Family Trapper
Dusty, Takotna Bushman mt, Rick, White (when you come home) and any other with experience with the big traps. For the money what is going to be my best trap wolverine. Want to purchase at least a half doz for next year. Probably want quality and a coil spring. mb 650 cdr 7.5 mj 600 Bridger #5
Answer by martentrapper If I was outfitting from scratch, I'd go with the mb-650. Plenty of jaw spread and a strong trap. I have bridger 5s, coil springs. I think they're OK. But again, lots of room to chew on feet under the jaws.
Answer by otterman FT good question I love the CDR for wolves . However the things need to be welded first. I know white 17 does not like them for wolverines as there is more room under the jaws for them to get at there feet and chew this is what he has adimatley said in the past. He loves the MB750 and has the ones I use to own as I dont like the trigger system and have so few wolverines on my line that I will take one maybe once every 5 yrs
Answer by takotna mb 750's
Answer by Hupurest all i know is that I love my mb 750's and that the bridger #5's I have seen and worked with are junk. It took 20 minutes farting w/each trap to get it so the dog and pan would even touch. the 750, I set it and forget it. ronco style
Answer by Dusty Len: if you can keep them working, #3 Bridger coils are perfect wolverine traps. The CDRs are wonderful traps, but wolverines will eat the dog and pan off them. Legends aside, they are just (tenacious) 35 pound animals. The big traps come through crust and deal with snowfall better. Their foot fills up #3s and you won't get much chewing to the trap or the toes.
I run 10 feet or more chain and a smallish drag on my wolverine traps, and set in heavy willows when I can. They generally get tangled up in the thick stuff. I've never had a wolverine chew on itself in that situation, and they're generally dead when I get there. Give them something to do and they'll do it (after they eat the pan off your CDR...). Leave them stranded out on the open and they'll chew on themselves.
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#155926 - 03/27/07 08:46 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
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Posted by White17 Lets talk trap coverage?
I forgot to mention. He did walk under a snare. Trail set. Tracks going upto and past. Only thing I could figure is he just lowered his head and kept walking. Could not have gone through it. It was a little high but he had to duck to get under it. Crazy. Where should the bottom of a wolverine snare be? With my cats I just leave a bare trap with a tissue covering. I want to get a copy of the wolf dvd, book or whatever came out. I am sure it would have some great ideas. Len. I usually set my wolverine snares 8 inches off the ground. Did you use a chin stick to make him lift his head??
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#155934 - 03/27/07 08:52 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
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Posted by White17 In the past I have talked about the snare/pole set I use for wolverine. One important thing I have found is to keep it high enough so their back feet don't reach the ground. Late this season the light dawned on me and I made a couple of modified sets. The advantage, I believe, is that the set can be made on a much lower pole or tree and thus the critter will be less likely to refuse to climb. I took some power RAMS and attached to the tree. The snare is 1/16th 1x19 cable. All else is identical to the regular set. Here's a few pix. This is the Ram spring. I used cable ties to hold one arm to the tree. You could use wire.  Here is a better view. As you see I use fine willow to support the snare and romex staples to hold the willow. The bait is just out of sight to the right.  Different set but here you can see the staples and the safety device. These babies will take your teeth out so use the safety.  Here's the whole thing from a distance.  You can add a marten set beyond the snare but I suggest a bucket if you do so. You don't want the marten fouling the snare. Actually, I think it's best to omit the marten set as I think it gives the gulo second thoughts sometimes. Be sure to cable the RAM to something solid nearby. I didn't actually catch in these sets this year but I'm certain they will work. I don't think that a neck caught wolverine would even quiver after firing the spring. The real nice thing is they are so resistant to weather. Question by fishermann222 I have never seen a RAM used before. I may be the only one, but could you explain how the spring trips, and how it is staying compressed once you remove the safety device? Answer by White17 The snare cable has a small nut compressed onto the cable about 2.75 inches from the back end. It fits in a slot in the eye of the spring that is uppermost in the pix. This keeps it compressed until business time. The critter gets in, gives a tug and the nut comes easily out of the slot, and the spring opens instantly. The critter is pulled against one spring eye while the other arm ( the bottom arm) of the spring applies constant high pressure. Hope thats clear. Wish I had one here to photograph. QUestion by Family Trapper Ken do you weave the snare and the willow?? How do you use the willow for support without it affecting the falling of the snare? I was using #11 wire attached to the tree and crimping on the snare cable behind the lock to suport it. Yours looks good. Just curious just how much you can hang on the willow. Answer by White17 Ken do you weave the snare and the willow?? How do you use the willow for support without it affecting the falling of the snare? I was using #11 wire attached to the tree and crimping on the snare cable behind the lock to suport it. Yours looks good. Just curious just how much you can hang on the willow. Correct. one staple on each side of the tree. Put it either higher or lower depending on the diameter of the tree, and the diameter of the loop you want. On a narrow pole you'll want the staples toward the bottom so the willow will be spaced right to fit the loop. A big tree and you want the staples mid-way on the trunk. Don''t go towards the top as the willow will lean in and narrow the loop. better to find a smaller tree. I may have a picture, I'll look. MAybe you can see the willow/cable relationship better here. Maybe not too. This set doesn't have a RAM but you can see the willows better. 
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#155946 - 03/27/07 08:57 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
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Posted by Family Trapper Ken what size cable are you using on the wolverine snares that are not rammed. Your polls are not very high. You must have no extra cable on the snare. I would have thought it would be better to have a little extra so they could not claw there way up on the pole again. But maybe it is not an issue. What percentage do you get by the neck. ANswer from White17 I use 3/32 1x19 cable. I have only caught one wolverine that was NOT a neck catch. I Use just ebough cable to make a loop and the rest is #9 to secure it to the tree. Most of my poles are as high as I can reach to set the snare. I would prefer that they get back on the pole rather than onto the ground but it seems as though once they bail off the pole they stay down. When they hit the end of the cable it has to be a heck of a jerk. Look at the picture of the wolverine and notice that there is very little debris on the ground below him. I don't think he lasted very long at all. Just a couple small pieces of bark on the snow. More from White17 The wolverine liked the Backbreaker too. I saw a set of tracks in a slough make a 90 degree turn and go straight to my set that was at least 100 yards away at 10 below. I have no doubt it was the smell of the BB. I may be Dobbin some behind my ears to try to perk up a bit of attention from Barb.
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#261215 - 07/15/07 09:49 AM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
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AKtrpr asks: never made any strechers outta pine, afraid of sap. anyone know wear to get some wolverine stretchers? white17 answers; I make my own wolverine boards out of spruce. Here's the wolverine board dimensions. The nose is 2" 2 inches down equals 3" across 9.5" down = 7.25" across 36" down = 7.5" across length over all is 53" At 2 inches down I drilled a hole through and through on the edge. Inserted a 16d galvanized nail with the head cut off. this allows you to spread the nose to what ever dimension you need and also keeps the two halves aligned. Make the board in one piece and the split it on the table saw. The bottom pieces have holes drilled evey inch so you can insert a nail to hold whatever width you need.   
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#378967 - 10/21/07 05:54 PM
Re: 330 Wolverine Buckets
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Joe; when attaching the trap to this cut bucket it appears to me that you must insert diagonally opposite cornes at the same time and then rotate the trap into position.
Is that close or am I making it too difficult ?
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