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#2957400 - 01/18/12 09:42 PM Re: Stretched vs over stretched beaver [Re: Clark]
Jacks Offline
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Registered: 01/26/07
Posts: 397
Loc: Bemidji, MN
Any have any ideas on my question of matted beavers? I would like your opinion

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#2957468 - 01/18/12 10:01 PM Re: Stretched vs over stretched beaver [Re: Clark]
Boco Offline
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Registered: 08/08/11
Posts: 404
Loc: james bay frontierOnt.
I would assume that the beaver pelt was not completely dry when boarding.Usually a brushing in both directions will remedy this when it comes off the board.There could be other reasons as you said like grease from your beam.I clean skin so cannot comment on that,but some guys that scrape on a beam use sawdust when scraping to keep grease off the fur.

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#2957471 - 01/18/12 10:01 PM Re: Stretched vs over stretched beaver [Re: Boco]
Steven 49er Offline
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Registered: 05/18/10
Posts: 102
Loc: mn north of blakely
Originally Posted By: Boco
Here it is steve-size

3(lge) IptII B-$40
3 I&II HVY B-$34

3 I-II SEMI B-$24
These are all shearable.
3 I-II FLAT B-$17
A beaver pelt stretched loose at 56 in. would have a far better chance of falling into one of the shearable grades than the same one stretched tight to 59 in.
You will recieve far more shearable grades by boarding your beaver a little loose than the person who stretches it tight.

This is taken directly from the FHA pelt handling manual and I can attest to its accuracy.


Boco I dont think this is the info I asked you about.

Are the prices you listed for all the same size beaver?

If they are it doesnt tell us a thing.

Now find out what the prices are for a b color 2.

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#2957497 - 01/18/12 10:12 PM Re: Stretched vs over stretched beaver [Re: Clark]
Boco Offline
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It dont matter what size, what you dont want are beaver graded flat.If you can reach the size cutoff without thinning the fur your Ok.I agree its gonna be ok to pull a winter beaver a bit more, but its the fall beaver that both auctions say you will lose on if you stretch tight.Years ago when I started stretching looser like the auction houses wanted I had very few beaver graded flat,and many beaver were taken from mid Oct,on.


Edited by Boco (01/18/12 10:16 PM)

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#2957510 - 01/18/12 10:17 PM Re: Stretched vs over stretched beaver [Re: Boco]
goldy Offline
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Registered: 12/31/07
Posts: 4433
Loc: minnesota
Originally Posted By: Boco
its the fall beaver that both auctions say you will lose on if you stretch tight.
That sure hasn't been my experience.

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#2957511 - 01/18/12 10:17 PM Re: Stretched vs over stretched beaver [Re: Clark]
PAskinner Offline
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Registered: 08/27/10
Posts: 83
Loc: PA
If you're getting really bad matted fur on coon or beaver, you probably need to wipe your beam down more while fleshing.
You can also lightly spray the finished hide with that orange degreaser and then comb the fur to really make it nice.

The way I was taught is to always leave some slack, especially in the shoulder area.

I don't tan a lot of beaver hides, but they always turn out smaller after tanning, even if not over stetched to start.
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#2957516 - 01/18/12 10:19 PM Re: Stretched vs over stretched beaver [Re: goldy]
trapperkeck Offline
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Registered: 11/12/07
Posts: 4117
Loc: Crofton, NE
Originally Posted By: goldy
Originally Posted By: Boco
its the fall beaver that both auctions say you will lose on if you stretch tight.
That sure hasn't been my experience.
Fall beaver are fall beaver, most of them being flat. I fail to see any difference if stretched tight or loose..
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#2957518 - 01/18/12 10:20 PM Re: Stretched vs over stretched beaver [Re: Clark]
Steven 49er Offline
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Registered: 05/18/10
Posts: 102
Loc: mn north of blakely
It dont matter what size, what you dont want are beaver graded flat.

I can count the number of beaver I have graded flat on my fingers. So I dont worry about that.

So humor me if you will find out what the b color in the 2 size brought.








Edited by Steven 49er (01/18/12 10:21 PM)

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#2957579 - 01/18/12 10:44 PM Re: Stretched vs over stretched beaver [Re: Clark]
Boco Offline
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Registered: 08/08/11
Posts: 404
Loc: james bay frontierOnt.
Here you go steve off my return from the feb sale last year
Size-2...I-II LT C....$21.29
Size-3...I-II HVY C...$28.39
So you can see the smaller ,heavier pelt was worth 25% more money than the flat.

Heres some more
Size-0-I...I-II LT AB $23.32
Size-2.....I-II SEMI C $26.36
So you can see even though the larger pelt in this case is a more desireable color,the smaller C color pelt brought more money because it was one grade higher.
Like someone posted earlier the proof is in the paycheck.


Edited by Boco (01/18/12 11:00 PM)

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#2957623 - 01/18/12 10:56 PM Re: Stretched vs over stretched beaver [Re: Clark]
goldy Offline
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Registered: 12/31/07
Posts: 4433
Loc: minnesota
But what you've failed to prove is that stretching tight makes them flat. I've proven to myself that it doesn't. I wish I could find all my old NAFA and FHA receipts.

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#2957649 - 01/18/12 11:06 PM Re: Stretched vs over stretched beaver [Re: Clark]
Boco Offline
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Registered: 08/08/11
Posts: 404
Loc: james bay frontierOnt.
I dont have to prove anything.The auction houses have disseminated this information,and by following it I have proven to myself by comparing my returns,that this is factual information that can improve your return.Feel free to handle your fur any way you like,I dont care.The auction houses work on commission and I dont think it would be in their intrest to coach trappers to lose money,lol.
Goldy-dig up your income tax returns thats where I found mine.


Edited by Boco (01/18/12 11:08 PM)

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#2957666 - 01/18/12 11:15 PM Re: Stretched vs over stretched beaver [Re: Clark]
Steven 49er Offline
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Registered: 05/18/10
Posts: 102
Loc: mn north of blakely
Boco, why did you only give the difference between a heavy and a select.

Select is pretty much the best of the best. Its kinda like a flat. I get far more selects than flats but I can pretty much tell you before i get done fleshing if it has a chance at select.

2007 at nafa for a xxl Brn semi heavy I got 43, for a xl heavy brn it was 37. Heaven forbid you have a slt damage and you will definitely get more for a bigger size than the next one down. And if yo have a damaged well?

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#2957667 - 01/18/12 11:16 PM Re: Stretched vs over stretched beaver [Re: Clark]
Steven 49er Offline
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Registered: 05/18/10
Posts: 102
Loc: mn north of blakely
BTW boco, i have had this conversation with Mr. Gibb on more than one occasion.

If you see him ask him if he remembers what he told me the last time we had this go around.

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#2957695 - 01/18/12 11:40 PM Re: Stretched vs over stretched beaver [Re: Clark]
Boco Offline
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Registered: 08/08/11
Posts: 404
Loc: james bay frontierOnt.
None I gave were select.They were all I-II Next is I then I PTII which are the select.These are Fall beaver and those are the ones that can make or break the grade by stretching strategically.Winter beaver invariably will be shearing grade so can stand an extra stretch,Its the fall beaver that you can make money on,and the 2 3 size especially as on a well managed trapline these usually have no damages or scars.Early caught or bad damaged beavers should be stretched for size as like you said their near worthless anyway nowadays.However lets keep our hopes up for beaver as it looks like it might be on an upswing,and we will all make money again.I stll think I will market my beaver thru FHA I trust their graders better.I dont believe Gibb was a beaver grader.

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#2958001 - 01/19/12 07:39 AM Re: Stretched vs over stretched beaver [Re: Clark]
spawner Offline
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Registered: 01/21/09
Posts: 152
Loc: so. wi.
What i was told a NAFA is that they scan bev pelt so you get paid in sq/in", color,density, so it doesn't make any different round or oval you get paid in sq/in"

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