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#2855885 - 11/28/11 04:13 PM Re: Marten fleshing and boarding question? [Re: FishinHank]
trapper ron Offline
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Originally Posted By: FishinHank
I have a question. I know a lot of guys use pretty thick stretchers, but mine are only about 1/4" thick ( I use the marten/mink stretchers from MTP). Does anyone think that I could get docked because they on thinner stretchers?


All of my boards are just a bit over 1/4 inch, probably 5/16 , as are most of the BC trappers. The newer boards I have made are a bit thicker and tapered to the nose. We use a belly wedge that is 3/4" at the base and tapered to the nose.

If anything you will gain size with a thin board, to your advantage. Once the pelt comes off the board and is drummed it would be doubtful if anyone could tell what thickness board you used.
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#2855892 - 11/28/11 04:17 PM Re: Marten fleshing and boarding question? [Re: trapper ron]
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Just got done pelting a marten, one of the few on my line again this season. I will take pictures of the different ways for handling the tails and feet so we are all on the same page. Yeah he will have lots of pin holes when done boarding him several times. smile
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#2856046 - 11/28/11 05:40 PM Re: Marten fleshing and boarding question? [Re: Farm Boy]
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Ron is correct, we have both talked to quite a number of instructors, graders, and others involved in the fur auctions. I had some very interesting conversations with personnel from both NAFA, and FH. While I got the impression that they would prefer to see tails spread, their bottom line is that it will not make any difference in price as long as the tail is dry.

I then asked the question of what would happen with a marten pelt with no tail, as long as there was no other damage. ( I have had marten with no tails graded damaged before) Common sense would say that if the tails are not graded it should not matter at all in final price. I was then told by a fellow from NAFA, that a marten tail has a value of about $10. I found that fact very interesting. That means on a $100 marten, 10% of the value is in the tail..... yet they dont grade them. He went on to say that buyers count on those tails, and it would be bad if trappers started chopping off the tails.

The answer that made the most sense to me came from a fellow at Fur Harvesters. He said a grader will spend just seconds on each pelt, and when a marten pelt is between sizes, the pelt that has been handled very well has a far greater chance of going up a size than one that is just average. He went on to say that good fur handling always pays.

My personnel conclusion is that I will continue to spread the tails, and ship to FH.
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#2856337 - 11/28/11 07:16 PM Re: Marten fleshing and boarding question? [Re: Farm Boy]
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MArten tails are used to make artist's paint brushes. Most 'sable' brushes start at about $35. They don't require much of the tail to make an expensive brush
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#2856416 - 11/28/11 07:35 PM Re: Marten fleshing and boarding question? [Re: white17]
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Originally Posted By: white17
MArten tails are used to make artist's paint brushes. Most 'sable' brushes start at about $35. They don't require much of the tail to make an expensive brush


Is that why you use crayons ? smile
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#2856504 - 11/28/11 08:04 PM Re: Marten fleshing and boarding question? [Re: Farm Boy]
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You bet ! Much cheaper !
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#2857482 - 11/29/11 10:25 AM Re: Marten fleshing and boarding question? [Re: Farm Boy]
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Ron, the weasel I refer to was sent with a couple dozen taken 3-4 years ago, short-tails. that was the year weasel went very high. I think I averaged $6.80, with a couple nearing $9.00.
I had one graded dmgd. that brought .75, and as such assumed it was the one, (the only one), that didn't have a tail.
Perhaps the reason the prices where so high that year was to fill a special order?
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#2858119 - 11/29/11 05:42 PM Re: Marten fleshing and boarding question? [Re: alaska viking]
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Originally Posted By: alaska viking
Ron, the weasel I refer to was sent with a couple dozen taken 3-4 years ago, short-tails. that was the year weasel went very high. I think I averaged $6.80, with a couple nearing $9.00.
I had one graded dmgd. that brought .75, and as such assumed it was the one, (the only one), that didn't have a tail.
Perhaps the reason the prices where so high that year was to fill a special order?


From my experience with the ermine grading I'm going to say that it was not that one. My best guess. not seeing the all of the ermine is that there was one with a taint or shedding fur. Damaged can also be one that still had some brown, that shows on the leather, one with a hole that was sewn up. bite marks from another ermine, mice or birds, or a tear after drying. Again only suggestions.

If there are ermine without tails and they do go into another lot, everything else being equal, they should bring more than 75 cents.
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#2870725 - 12/06/11 11:04 AM Re: Marten fleshing and boarding question? [Re: Farm Boy]
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Hey Everyone,
Wondering if you leave the fur in only to get skin dry to the touch, then turn it fur out for stretching?? I'm a complete rookie at this and don't want to ruin my furs when/if I get any. I can't really get a solid answer from the local fur buyer.
Feel free to PM me if you want.
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#2870772 - 12/06/11 11:28 AM Re: Marten fleshing and boarding question? [Re: MT_B]
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[quote=Montana_Brent]Hey Everyone,
Wondering if you leave the fur in only to get skin dry to the touch, then turn it fur out for stretching??

Yes and it only takes few hours if you have good air circulation. If it gets to dry just wrap in a damp towel for 10 - 15 minutes to soften it up and then turn. It will dry fine after this damping treatment.
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#2870799 - 12/06/11 11:50 AM Re: Marten fleshing and boarding question? [Re: bctomcat]
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Yes and it only takes few hours if you have good air circulation. If it gets to dry just wrap in a damp towel for 10 - 15 minutes to soften it up and then turn. It will dry fine after this damping treatment. [/quote]

Thanks for the info. Is it safe to dry them in an uninsulated outdoor shed with no heat?? I could turn a small milk crate heater on.
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#2870815 - 12/06/11 11:59 AM Re: Marten fleshing and boarding question? [Re: MT_B]
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Loc: Ontario
Originally Posted By: Montana_Brent


Thanks for the info. Is it safe to dry them in an uninsulated outdoor shed with no heat?? I could turn a small milk crate heater on.


Probably would dry but why mess with it. Dry them in the house, next to no bad odor off marten.

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#2870835 - 12/06/11 12:15 PM Re: Marten fleshing and boarding question? [Re: Farm Boy]
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Loc: Western Wyoming
Brent you may already know this but if you didn't this may help. When you catch marten in a bodygrip trap, don't take the trap off of a frozen critter, take an extra trap and swap them out. A lot of rookies ruin fur trying to take the trap off a frozen marten.
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#2870844 - 12/06/11 12:19 PM Re: Marten fleshing and boarding question? [Re: Farm Boy]
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Registered: 11/09/07
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Loc: Alaska
If it's cold enough in the shed it actually works bette for me. I put them out in my arctic entry in say 15 degrees and they are ready to turn in about 24 hours. If you forget and go 48 hours they can still be turned. I've tried it both ways and I like the flexibility of being able to do it the next day since I'm usually skinning late at night after everyone goes to bed.

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#2870885 - 12/06/11 12:51 PM Re: Marten fleshing and boarding question? [Re: Farm Boy]
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Registered: 10/21/11
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DT7- I have read that and planned on doing that. Thanks for the heads up though. Its amazing how delicate the fur is on them.
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#2870892 - 12/06/11 12:57 PM Re: Marten fleshing and boarding question? [Re: DT7]
takotna Offline
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Registered: 12/22/06
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Loc: Takotna AK
Originally Posted By: DT7
When you catch marten in a bodygrip trap, don't take the trap off of a frozen critter, take an extra trap and swap them out.


And that is why conni's won't work for me, would of needed a bit over 2doz extra traps yesterday to replace them instead of 2doz extra sets, just saying..........

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#2874867 - 12/08/11 09:39 AM Re: Marten fleshing and boarding question? [Re: Farm Boy]
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What are the thoughts on freeze drying? And does anyone have a good description of exactly what it is?

I got my first marty yesterday! He is still frozen solid hanging in the shed, head down. I don't want to thaw him until I know exactly hot i'm going to dry him.

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#2874997 - 12/08/11 11:01 AM Re: Marten fleshing and boarding question? [Re: Farm Boy]
alaska viking Offline
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Registered: 12/25/07
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Loc: juneau, alaska
Lots of orange on that one! I've used the freeze dry method on beaver before, but only because they can be really greasy and I was out of sawdust. You need pretty cold temps for it to work. You shouldn't need to use that method on marten, though. They are very thin-skinned, lean, and dry quickly.
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#2887198 - 12/14/11 11:38 PM Re: Marten fleshing and boarding question? [Re: Farm Boy]
MT_B Offline
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Loc: MONTANA
Anyone have input on board size for a small female (young of year)???
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#2887257 - 12/15/11 12:29 AM Re: Marten fleshing and boarding question? [Re: Farm Boy]
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A grader at FH told me to use the same board for all marten??
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