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#262452 - 07/16/07 03:43 PM MODIFIED TRAP QUESTION?!?
Anonymous
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Are center swiveled, laminated traps easier for animals to pull out of than stock jaws, and factory side swiveling?


Think about this... if you stake a trap, stick a couple fingers in it, wouldn't it be easier for you to pull your fingers out if you have a wide smooth surface touching your fingers as opposed to a thinner surface digging in tighter? Laminating provides the wider smooth surface.


Also - you'd pull your fingers out the top center of the trap where the pressure is less, right? You wouldn't pull them toward one spring or the other cause it pinches tighter on the sides. Center swiveling moves their foot to the top center when they pull.



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#262456 - 07/16/07 03:45 PM Re: modified trap question [Re: ]
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Instigator...lol
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#262462 - 07/16/07 03:47 PM Re: modified trap question [Re: cj's trapping]
Don See Offline
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Registered: 12/27/06
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Loc: Wisconsin
Good point \:\)
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#262544 - 07/16/07 05:30 PM Re: MODIFIED TRAP QUESTION?!? [Re: ]
j morris Offline
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#262566 - 07/16/07 05:50 PM Re: MODIFIED TRAP QUESTION?!? [Re: j morris]
roamer Offline
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Registered: 05/31/07
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Loc: indiana
depends... which way was the dog facing? lol

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#262567 - 07/16/07 05:52 PM Re: MODIFIED TRAP QUESTION?!? [Re: j morris]
Cattrax Offline
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 Originally Posted By: jerry morris






ROFLMAO Good one!!
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#262568 - 07/16/07 05:52 PM Re: MODIFIED TRAP QUESTION?!? [Re: roamer]
j morris Offline
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Jayme,

Are you referring to when you used all those Dukes with the pans stuck between the levers????????????

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#262579 - 07/16/07 05:59 PM Re: MODIFIED TRAP QUESTION?!? [Re: j morris]
45/70 Offline
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Not for live market work.

The broad jaws work to the trapper's advantage, but only if the set is make to compensate for the extra work the broad (laminated or rubber) jaws have to accomplish.

If there is an advantage to chain attachment point, I would think that it goes to the side mount - but not a full side attachment, I attach most of mine with a welded cold shunt between the hinge point and the center point.

Laminated baseplates are a must.
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#262582 - 07/16/07 06:00 PM Re: MODIFIED TRAP QUESTION?!? [Re: j morris]
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#262592 - 07/16/07 06:07 PM Re: MODIFIED TRAP QUESTION?!? [Re: cj's trapping]
lrjakes Offline
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OK where you goin with this. I m thinkin you know the answer here.

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#262656 - 07/16/07 07:01 PM Re: MODIFIED TRAP QUESTION?!? [Re: lrjakes]
Grandpa Offline
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Loc: southern , Iowa
Try it and let us know!!!
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#262676 - 07/16/07 07:17 PM Re: MODIFIED TRAP QUESTION?!? [Re: Grandpa]
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: South Central Nebraska age 64
Not sure ADC, caught two cats by one toe and one by two toes. Had another one caught by one that got out and was caught about 200 yards across the field, so must not have hurt to bad. All taken with nr3 Bridger,off set,4x4, outside laminated, base plated and center swiveled. The remainder of critters taken last season with this style of trap, skunk/coon/coyote/badger/cats/and the occational rabbit all had full paw catches with no sign of scraping from pulling out of the trap. File this in the for what it is worth folder. Tom


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#262679 - 07/16/07 07:21 PM Re: MODIFIED TRAP QUESTION?!? [Re: ]
j morris Offline
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Would you have side swiveled this catch???

Just like funnin' ya J.

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#262689 - 07/16/07 07:29 PM Re: MODIFIED TRAP QUESTION?!? [Re: Grandpa]
Anonymous
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I was serious. Everyone tells everyone to make a trap better, you need to laminate and baseplate with a center swivel. I'm just thinking that may not be the case.

I'm sure the laminations help prevent foot damage. (if you're concerned about that).

Laminations help to prevent the jaws from popping out of the frame, but bubbling or bending the tips up would do that too.

Base plates are fine to sturdy up the trap, but center swiveling only keeps the foot from sliding to the side where it would be a tighter grip. (sure the sliding could possibly create foot damage, if you are concerned about that)

I just wonder if some folks aren't getting bad advice. For people who don't sell to the live market, perhaps un-laminated off-center swiveled traps would be a better option to insure a better hold on the foot of the critters.

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#262694 - 07/16/07 07:32 PM Re: MODIFIED TRAP QUESTION?!? [Re: ]
Anonymous
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LOL Jerry. My manditory deer stops would of let him go, no swivel needed.

Tom, I never said they won't hold critters, just maybe not quite as well. ???

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#262696 - 07/16/07 07:35 PM Re: MODIFIED TRAP QUESTION?!? [Re: ]
kytrapper Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: SE Kentucky
Try this....grip your left index finger between your thumb and your other index finger and pull. Now grip it with your thumb and two fingers. Which way can you hold better with.
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#262702 - 07/16/07 07:39 PM Re: MODIFIED TRAP QUESTION?!? [Re: ]
Tactical.20 Offline
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Registered: 12/24/06
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Loc: N.W. Iowa
If you have to worry about holding one with lamination, you didn't have it caught good enough in the first place. Try 3# of pan tension with steel screen pan covers, there will not be any toe catches. The feet of most animals are much different than our fingers, not a good comparison.T.20

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#262721 - 07/16/07 07:50 PM Re: MODIFIED TRAP QUESTION?!? [Re: Tactical.20]
Anonymous
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T-20 I wasn't worried about if laminated center swiveled traps WILL hold critters but rather if they hold them as well.

Would you feel better if I'd said use a critters foot in your experiment? lol

By the way, 3# of pan tention is too much for fox as well, according to popular opinion on here, but that's another pot to stir.

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#262780 - 07/16/07 08:24 PM Re: MODIFIED TRAP QUESTION?!? [Re: ]
DFronek Offline
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Registered: 12/25/06
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Loc: N.e.WI. 45
I can honestly say since using fully modified(lams & bases) traps for the past 14 years,my loss from pull outs has dramatically decreased compared to unmodified traps(plain jane)also any toe catches that I occasionally get are still there when I check,even back foot caught by a toe or two coyotes.So if they don't hold as well,I guess I'll just have to live with it.lol

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#262811 - 07/16/07 08:41 PM Re: MODIFIED TRAP QUESTION?!? [Re: DFronek]
Anonymous
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Of course you'd say that Blak, you get paid to modify traps. LMAO Just kidding. \:D

I wonder if your success isn't due to more experiance making sets and tuning traps though than the traps holding better. Do you think, knowing the vast amounts you do about traps and trapping now, that you could go back to the regular style and still have a much better catch-pull out rate?

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