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How do you feel about shocksprings? #239586
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Just curious what some of you think about having shock springs on your coyote traps. If you thinks its a must lets hear your reason why and if not lets hear that also. I have not caught very many coyotes yet but have got a afew with each setup,with shocks and without and have not seen any difference. I have heard that they help to prevent stake pumping but i use bullet stakes and have never seen were one was even close to being pulled by any animal even without a shockspring. I have bent a couple different homemade pullers up preatty bad pulling them so i do not worry about stake pumping to much. I have also heard they help prevent paw and shouder injury but like i said i have got a couple in traps without shocks and have seen no difference. I feel if you have a properly modified trap or one with thick and smooth foot friendly jaws you wont have many problems anyway. So whats YOUR reason for using them? I am not bashing them by anymeans but just want some different views. The only thing i really dislike about them is bedding a trap solid with one under it,usually takes me awhile to make it work right.

Ps; i must add i am talking about modern shocksprings like JC Conners.

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Re: Whats your oppinion on shocksprings? [Re: Wade Lacey] #239593
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Butch, What about the PIT Shock Springs are those included?

Re: Whats your oppinion on shocksprings? [Re: Creektrapper] #239596
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Sure danny,they are modern. As long as they aint like them ones that you see on northwoods traps or modern day vic softcatches that get trashed very easily.

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Re: Whats your oppinion on shocksprings? [Re: Wade Lacey] #239609
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I won't own a coyote trap that don't have them on it! I like them to keep from having stakes pumped in soggy ground after days on end of rainfall plus the fact they keep the animal from getting a solid pull on anything.

Ive held too many toe caught coyote's that I wouldn't of held otherwise to make them worth more than the cost to buy them.

Plus, ANYTHING that makes it harder for a coyote to get out of a trap im all for it!

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Re: Whats your oppinion on shocksprings? [Re: Wade Lacey] #239611
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They gotta help Butch. At times you can hear them bottoming out. But it's gotta cushion the sudden jolt down a whole lot compared to if one wasn't being used.

Re: Whats your oppinion on shocksprings? [Re: Creektrapper] #239614
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Yes danny i have heard the bottom out squeek before lol. Gets me pumped up! You bring up a good point Jackie,they sure cant hurt anything other than being a pain to bed but maybe i will get use to that lol.

Re: Whats your oppinion on shocksprings? [Re: Wade Lacey] #239622
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squeek? lol What kinda hardware you using or may I ask what kinda critter you catching. Mine create a hard thump sound when in use.

Re: Whats your oppinion on shocksprings? [Re: Creektrapper] #239627
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Yea but they squeak inbetween or mine do after they get a little rust on them.

Re: Whats your oppinion on shocksprings? [Re: Wade Lacey] #239742
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6-8 foot of heavy chain will accomplish the same result but has the added advantage of giving the coyote some freedom of movement. A short chained yote with a shock spring will fight till the cows come home. A long chained yote feels less confined and often lays down and goes to sleep. My two cents for what its worth.

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i have them on all my coyote traps. i use a short chain and it helps on the jerking and holding power. until i added them to all my coyote (softcatch) traps i had a few pullouts, some of those may have been toe caught, but i have very few pullouts now, and a shock spring is one of the reasons.


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Re: Whats your oppinion on shocksprings? [Re: j lord] #239882
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6-8 foot of heavy chain will accomplish the same result but has the added advantage of giving the coyote some freedom of movement.

Sorry Dave, lol. But I got to call ya out on the carpet on this one, lol.

8 foot of chain means that animal has 16 FEET to take a running go with going across the trap bed full throttle! Any idea how much speed a coyote can get up in that amount of distance? lol.

A HEAVY trap will wear one down just as fast WITHOUT giving him the foot lb's of pressue he can get with 16 FEET of running room! A small 1.5 or 1.75 sized trap and yes they will fight till the cow's come home but a heavy trap will wear them down USUALLY!

jlord was with me when i caught a wet female back in feb in a jake trap by both front feet and she wasn't giving up anytime in this life BUT prego's or females with a litter of pup's fight 100 times harder than just a normal ol coyote.

Ive also noticed with shock springs the coyote wants to pull sideways more so than straight up, i believe it because they can feel some 'give' each time they pull so they think they are getting somewhere doing that, just another plus to having a shock spring.

And YES Danny, they 'squeek' alot of times, sounds like old bedsprings, lol.


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Re: Whats your oppinion on shocksprings? [Re: ] #240165
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Some good views so far but lets hear some more,keep it comeing.

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Agree with ya on that Joel. On a drag shock springs and half the swivels are rendered useless alot of the time! I saw a coyote caught in a #11 one time on a window weight drag that mr. riverotter2 on here had set out for coon. It was hung up in some honeysuckle vines so each time it lunged that whole mass of vines gave, lol. SUPER shock spring there, lol.


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Re: How do you feel about shocksprings? [Re: Wade Lacey] #240508
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Our government says they are required

So I use them.

Any solidly staked trap must have a chain no longer than 12" and equiped with shock absorber.

They are good for show and tell. Even if they don't help (which I think they do) It is nice so show people that I have gone the extra step.

Nothing can move a super stake here.

Re: Whats your oppinion on shocksprings? [Re: Jtrapper] #240510
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my buddy i used #2 montys and #2 Northwoods Double-coiled,here in New york State we have some big yotes. On our traps we used 6 links of chain and two swivels and berkshire stakes 18&22 inches long..... NO PULLOUTS ON YOTES!!!!! Our thought is, short chain no leverage to pull out of traps... when i checked my traps,the yotes seemed very subdued,not much struggling... I think shock springs are not needed for yotes,and just more metal to deal with.. Keep on a short leash and they'll be waiting for you in the morning....just my opinion

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6-8 foot of heavy chain will accomplish the same result but has the added advantage of giving the coyote some freedom of movement.

I just wonder how many coyotes died back in the day with an old style 5-6 foot chain. I think back in the day 22K to 31K were on long chains yearly. I wonder why the early Gmen used longer chains do to the smooth short dog knot stakes???? Seems it worked.

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Re: Whats your oppinion on shocksprings? [Re: ] #240896
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I asked the same question a couple years ago and Pete Billings suggested I get some and try them. I did, and then bought more.
The ground here is too rocky most places for cable stakes. The shock springs made a huge improvement in how tight/loose a rebar stake is after a catch.


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Re: Whats your oppinion on shocksprings? [Re: Kevin E.] #240902
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Re: Whats your oppinion on shocksprings? [Re: Kevin E.] #240907
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I like em, Most of my land traps are 13/4 traps, I dont set for coyote but if I get ahold of one it holds em and they dont tear my trap up, When using 2 and 3 s for cats I use a green hardwood saplin bout as big as your arm, so thats a spring too.


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Re: Whats your oppinion on shocksprings? [Re: mike jerrell] #241558
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ttt one last time

Re: Whats your oppinion on shocksprings? [Re: Wade Lacey] #241731
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Kinkless, look at the size trap's they were using back then, animal welfare wasn't exactly on their minds!


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Re: Whats your oppinion on shocksprings? [Re: Jtrapper] #241876
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I caught 126 coyotes and all my traps are set up with shock springs. When coyotes lunge it keeps them from a solid jerk. I wouldn't be without them.


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look at the size trap's they were using back then, animal welfare wasn't exactly on their minds!

Interesting I guess it's like people setting 1 3/4 for coyotes. If people want to mink trap coyotes go for it. Your going to tell me a 3n is larger than a 3 coilspring. I wonder how many coyotes fell to the 3n? What about the 3 Newhouse wasn't that a Govt issued trap also. The 4 and 3 worked off the same frame.

I read on here people recomending Duke 1.5's for coyotes. To each his own but not many guys putting up numbers of coyotes are using small traps and swingset chain either.


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[b]Interesting I guess it's like people setting 1 3/4 for coyotes.


So what are you saying Kinkless? People like Russ Carmen and Johne Thorpe use don't know what they are talikng about? I would love to use #3's. But plain in simple, it's not legal in NY and I hate to run the risk of harming a "non-target" for a "20 dollar" coyote.


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I like the JC shock springs, they look cool and I feel keep the trap at the set and help with reduced pull out, etc. (but don't need them on the KB 5.5's).....

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How many pulled out of those 3N's? We could question everything from now on if we wanted.

I don't care how one traps coyotes, if you want two tons of extra chain to lug around you don't need that's fine with me.

As for the 1.75 sized traps we agree there but there are exception's, it was the trap of choice of our coyote trappers in extreme south alabama, many caught over 100 coyotes annually, some double that!

Keep in mind though it's on 24 hour checks, no frozen ground and sandy soil, peanut growing country. They used about 3 swivels and a couple of links of chain nailed down with disposable stakes.

Is what works in THEIR part of the state, don't work so well for me in the part I trapped. Doesn't mean my style was right and their's wrong or vice versa, just means we had different condition's to operate in and adjusted to what worked the best for US!

I just don't see any logic in running 6-8 ft. of chain on a coyote trap staked down! 3 ft. in badger country i understand, anything over that don't make any sense to me.


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How about this... I heard from a very well respected T-man member and BIG TIME coyote trapper, that he perfers the coyotes hit that chain end solid once so it don't feel so good and next time they won't hit it so hard. Makes sence to me.

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ADC,

What if they go to hit it the first time hard and pull out?


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I don't know ask him, it's his theory. I just said it makes sence to me.

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I disagree with ADC as if you had a coyote hit the chain hard and he wasn't caught good he would be gone. They are alot harder on traps with a straight hard jerk.


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This just got very good! Now if Slim himself would chime in?

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What's wrong with swingset chain (large twin loop)? Are you talking Big twin loop or mocking someone's choice for rusted chain?

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Lots of theories being expressed here. First get a #3 longspring or 3N if you prefer, same jaw spread anyway, set it, then set a 1.75 coilspring next to it---get your tape measure out too as eyesight can be deciving sometimes. But very little differences are there?

I came up through the time period when the 3n was the ONLY good coyote trap that was available to use. I also spent a good deal of time talking traps with very good coyote trappers, like George Good, Craig O'Gorman, Frank Morgan, and the list could go on and on in those days. Some preferred long chains, some preferred chains only long enough that badgers would not dig out the stakes. The Theories on the long chains is that the coyote would hurt his shoulder when he hit the end of the chain and so he would not be able to fight as long and hard after that, PLUS it kept him pulling sideways to the dog type smooth stakes or rebar stakes and he was not able to pump on the stakes upwards. All were correct but all were in a different time and in a different world than we live in today. ie. People and thier pets were not everywhere like they are today, for one thing, and trappers were not under near as much scroutney as we are today.

With that all in mind. The shock springs are good, if for no other reason, than it gives the appearance to the unknowing eyes that trappers are concerned about the animals that may be caught. However, in reality, I have never seen much difference in improvement to caught animals. But it does make a BIG difference in the ability of the animals being able to not pull stakes from the ground, like has already been stated many times.

Traps are greatly improved today, Swivels and chain are improved and much more readily available, Stop Shock springs are greatly improved from the original junk still offered for sale by one company, and we can argue weight etc. and nit pik from now till the cows come home, but in reality, most of the nit picking will only boil down to each trapper's mind set, which usually resists change. Change is good! I know I do not want to go back to driving a new 1960 vehicle, or 1960 tires, etc.
If we are only talking coyotes and coyote traps, I prefer to use my number two offset Bridgers, baseplated with slightly offset to the side d-ring loop chain attachment with double swivel, 10 inchs of chain, a good PIT or JC Connors type shock spring, double swivel,and another six inchs of chain with a double swivel to fasten to whatever kind of staking system. Why---because it has a slightly larger jaw spread than an old Number three longspring trap, less weight and mess, AND the shock spring DOES help with coyotes not being able to pull the stakes, even if they do nothing more than pull on the shock spring, they are not pulling thier toes off, or pulling out of the traps.


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Thanks abunch Slim,very informative!

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Nice answer Slim! I would not use a staked set without a coyote sized stop shock spring in the chain. It would be rare for a properly modified, appropriate sized trap to let a coyote pop out. More than likely it was not caught good enough to begin with. I lost one coyote to a power out, because it took the drag into a barb wire fence, wrapped the chain tight, then it powered out. But who knows it may not have been caught properly, also. That was right after, or just before I went to a 3# pan tension, which pretty much ended my toe catches. T.20

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agree with em (shock springs)

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Slim, can you touch on what Dave Plueger touched on....heavier chain...not 5-8 ft but a bit longer than your described rig of approximately 18 inches....maybe 36 inches of heavy chain and no shock spring. Guess what I'm asking is there a happy medium? I have run the gamut...tried the Western rig as you mentioned 5-6 ft of heavy chain, and the extreme Eastern fox style of 6 inches. Had problems with them both...that was before disposable stakes.
I will say this I prefered the longer chains...shorter chains in my areas WITH ALL species captured created more problems. PM for more details as I won't go into details here.
So getting back to the question...is there a chain length...using a good heavy chain that might possibly equate to similar "shock absorbing qualities" as a shock spring?

Thanks for your responses.

Re: Whats your oppinion on shocksprings? [Re: MChewk] #244380
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Mchewk, How would a longer chain, even a heavy one, stop any shock? The longer chain, light, or heavy, only gives the animal more freedom to move around and tire itself out, as well as more things to tangle in often, so more stuff to chew on and wear it self down. The shock spring keeps the animal from getting as much leverage--period. I don't think it does anything more or less, and a long chain actually give an animal some additional leverage sometimes, but that is if it can pull uphill on the trap stake. The long chain gives the animal more shock on the foot and leg when it takes a long run across the trap circle.


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Re: How do you feel about shocksprings? [Re: Wade Lacey] #244386
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I don't use shocksprings myself but have been toying with the idea of using some.But can't really see the advantage over what I'm using now.I'm running 12" of chain,nail swivel,3 links of #3 chain,nail swivel,3 links chain,nail swivel,then 3 more links of chain,then a quick link to cable stake.I drive the cable stake in the ground until the end swivel is below ground.Then give it a yank to set the stake and my end chain swivel is above ground and the last 3 links are below.I have the 12" of chain above ground.I've held the occasional toes catches nicely even a back foot 2 toe catch,of course the traps are fully modified and offset.There is definately a noticable catch circle from scratching and pulling.Most coyotes are laying down when I show up and pretty much don't move when I approach.I can't see where they could get a really good lunge on that setup,they really only have 2 feet of run way.I'm wondering if adding a shockspring is going to improve anything on this setup,and if I add a spring should I lengthen the chain out.My only reason for thinking about adding a longer chain and spring is badgers,the spring for the coyote and the length for the badgers,I usually average 3-4 badgers a years and release them.But using cable stakes these last couple years,and the way badgers are at digging,I had one that after releasing him out of the hole he dug under the stake,the stake just slid out like it was butter,the only thing keeping him there,in my mind,was daylight keeping him in the hole while the cable and chain was like looped over solid ground that was not dug and he was tucked under it.Here's a pic of my chain setup.



Here is said badger.


Most that I catch end up like this with dirt mounded up to the base of the trap.


So what are some opinions,should I go longer and springs or stick with what I'm using.My setup works well for coyotes but those badgers woory me some,there protected here and don't need one running around with a trap on its foot.Over the years I think I've only had 3 dig under with the short chains,all the rest were mounded.Will lengthening the chain cause them to dig a hole more often and go under but not under the stake,or make no difference.

Re: Whats your oppinion on shocksprings? [Re: Slim Pedersen] #244390
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 Originally Posted By: Slim Pedersen
Mchewk, How would a longer chain, even a heavy one, stop any shock?


I think it's like this...

if you wrap a heavy log chain 15' long to a tree and jerk hard on the other end with your hands, you won't get the snap at the end you would if you used a shorter light weight dog chain in the same situation. The weight of the chain lifting off the ground slows down the "jolt" when it gets tight.

I could be wrong but that's what I think.

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Re: Whats your oppinion on shocksprings? [Re: Slim Pedersen] #244394
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Slim, First off let me say I use shock springs....JC Conners Shock springs..they are excellent! I'm just throwing this out for some discussion as I know other good trappers that have limited experience with them and others that use other systems like long heavy chain that seem satisfied with their results.

My thoughts.. EVEN with the shock spring...initially the coyote is going to work the entire trap, chain and anchor as hard as possible. I say this as after watching coyotes react as I approach them in traps (watching JCs Trap Mod video is another great example of a coyotes reaction to an approaching trapper).
I'm not sure the shock spring has much merit INTIALLY...now granted afterward when that animal settles down a bit the shock spring MIGHT help MORE as if it is frightened or harrassed temporarily by other animals, passer-bys, etc..
The long heavy chain...lets go with 4 feet for an example...Yes I agree that the extra length allows the captured coyote to get more run and create more force. I do believe the extra weight of the chain and its extra length will require MORE ENERGY TO BE EXPENDED by that animal until it fatigues and lays down. I've seen coyotes rear up/jump alot with longer heavy chain and they can't reach the top to exert alot of force..as the chain absorbs their energy before they can hit the top..like a rubber band. After a few repetitions of this they switch to another approach.
Bottom line is the longer chain fatiques the animal quicker so they don't fight the trap as hard, more stuff to chew on..to occupy their time.

Keep in mind I'm talking 24 hr check...throw a longer check time in the big picture and the shock spring might show more merit..as encounters with other animals, passerbys might be occur more often.

Again just thoughts

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Good luck avoiding the badgers.

4-8 feet of #5+ on a 100 sets is too much unnecessary weight for me. Thats 300-700 extra feet to bye, lug around, dye, wax, lug around, and bed. Why would you want to do this extra work?

I do not want 8-16 foot diameter catch circles left all over the place or a huge badger pyramid 4-8' high.

That's not going to win any friends with the ranchers and landowners.

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Thanks all,alot of good info has come out of this.

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Re: Whats your oppinion on shocksprings? [Re: Wade Lacey] #244961
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Exactly what ADC said. The heavy, long chain slows down the lunge to the point that the jerk at the end is minimal. Very seldom have I approached a short chained yote with a shock spring curled up asleep but with my long, heavy chain rigs 75% are just laying in the catch circle. If keeping the animal as comfortable as possible is the goal I will opt for the long heavy rig every time. A heavy trap is also needed. I prefer my Sterlings and #3 Bridgers. Most of the big numbers western yote men use the long heavy chain rig for good reason. If one wishes to incorporate a shockspring with this rig it is fine but uneccesary.

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Mike, you hit the nail on the head as well.

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