Re: 1.5 coils on coyotes?
[Re: coyotekiller]
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05/25/07 01:19 PM
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I've caught and held many of my coyotes in 1 1/2, they are stock traps except for the jaw tips are bubble welded, and the j-hooks are welded shut. Those changes came after loseing one coyote to popped jaws and one to an open J-hook. Never lost any others. That said if I'm knowly targeting coyotes I now choose larger traps, but if all I got is 1 1/2's left, I'll set them.
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Re: 1.5 coils on coyotes?
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05/25/07 01:26 PM
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Slim Pedersen
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I have caught several hundred coyotes in 1 1/2 coilspring traps that have been laminated and baseplates added to them. 4 coiling the small traps will cause you and the animals a good deal of grief. The smaller angle of the jaws on small traps do not need 4 coiling and are serious over kill, and does a lot of damage to the animals foot.
the reason for laminating is to strengthen the jaws and keep them from siccor action which also allows the jaws to come out of frames, so the stronger jaws with more inside contact on the animal are much better than stock traps, and will not require bubbling the ends of the jaws.
The base plate strenthening will also keep it from wanting to bow when using a center chain attatchment, again stopping jaws from wanting to pop out of frame.
I use a lot of them while live trapping for coyotes, and although it is not my favorite coyote trap, even for the live market, I have a lot of them, and so I use a lot of them. Especially if I think there are gray fox in the same area.
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Re: 1.5 coils on coyotes?
[Re: coyotekiller]
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05/25/07 02:56 PM
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What dose the laminated have to do with a trap?? I'm just a coon trapper.
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Re: 1.5 coils on coyotes?
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05/25/07 03:06 PM
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Can you explain?? I don’t know, that’s why I asked.
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Re: 1.5 coils on coyotes?
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Thanks Palerider that's what I was looking for.
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Re: 1.5 coils on coyotes?
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I would at least go to a #2 any way, I like the bigger target area of the 2's and 3's. Just my .02
Black Coyote those are some nice modified traps you got there.
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Re: 1.5 coils on coyotes?
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If you were buying new traps, I would suggest number 2's also, but since you are looking at some old traps, I would modify the 1 1/2's and find someone to buy the number two junkers you have.
the old victor square jaw number 2's were the worst piece of junk ever on the market---NO if ands buts or maybes about it!
If the number 1 1/2's have weak springs, buy some piano wire springs to replace them with also.
Money is one thing in this game, but your responsability to the animals you are trapping, and the image you portray to the general public is another even more important thing these days.
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Re: 1.5 coils on coyotes?
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i did put some piano wire on a couple of my 1.5's but, the levers twisted quite a bit toward the dog. they still work fine though. i would use the 2's for fox, but i hardly ever see one around here, yotes are everywhere though. i had some nice #3 montgermy and victors, about 25, but they were stolen a couple of weeks ago. i'm just trying to make the best of my 2's and 1.5's, i guess i will probably sell some to buy some new or used number 3's.
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Re: 1.5 coils on coyotes?
[Re: coyotekiller]
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05/25/07 08:19 PM
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i did put some piano wire on a couple of my 1.5's but, the levers twisted quite a bit toward the dog. they still work fine though. i would use the 2's for fox, but i hardly ever see one around here, yotes are everywhere though. i had some nice #3 montgermy and victors, about 25, but they were stolen a couple of weeks ago. i'm just trying to make the best of my 2's and 1.5's, i guess i will probably sell some to buy some new or used number 3's. If ya' have some number 2's and you want to "fix" them get some Victor 1.75 jaws and levers and add new music springs and you will have a decent trap.
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Re: 1.5 coils on coyotes?
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05/25/07 10:37 PM
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Black Coyote those are some nice modified traps you got there.
Thanks.Personally I use #3 Bridgers,#3vics and #3montanas fully modified for coyotes.I did the Dukes up for Mchewk for the BMP's.
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Re: 1.5 coils on coyotes?
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05/26/07 08:21 AM
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Coyotekiller, I want to invite you to our FTA FALL meet in Union ,Ill....I know its a long drive....BUT...you might want consider attending as Blakcoyote will be there putting on a few demos on trap modifications of all things...lol. Bring your traps as he will have his welder along doing demos and modifying up traps and other equipment. pm me for more details...
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Re: 1.5 coils on coyotes?
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If I was you I wouldn't use 1 1/2s unless that is all you can get. You will miss and edgacate alot of coyotes.
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Re: 1.5 coils on coyotes?
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If I was to target coyotes with 1 1/2's it would be a Montgomery or Montana. Otherwise I would undergo some heavy modification with any other brand.
On average how much are a dozen of the 1 1/2 Montanas going for John?
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Re: 1.5 coils on coyotes?
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Hi Ya'll Ive been catchin coyotes in 1 1/2's fully modified for the last 10-12 yr's. yaa small catch area but all ya have to do is make them step where ya need them too. RayA
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Re: 1.5 coils on coyotes?
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Anyone remember the old victor double jawed 1 1/2 coil's? I ended up with a half dozen of them from some state auction i was at trying to run up the bid on them and got stuck with them lol.
Anyway while testing traps on grey fox for the bmp's these were included. The two coyote's caught in these type traps both had full pad catch's and the heel pad was stuck under that double jaw loop each time, making it basically impossible to pull out!
I admit before testing these that trap never struck me as a coyote trap! These were standard also, no laminating, bubble tip's, baseplate or anything!
My first coyote was caught in a old northwoods 1.5 coil, standard trap. My old victor 1.5's usually had the jaw's yanked out though. If using them id definately modify to the hilt.
I only run #2's now days. It can be done with 1.5 coil's but it's not for me, lol.
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Re: 1.5 coils on coyotes?
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May find this hard to believe John but a buddy of mine ended up holding a dang cow in a modified #2 Bridger one time, lol. He also had lot's of fun releasing it, lol.
Not my circus, not my clowns.
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Re: 1.5 coils on coyotes?
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05/27/07 10:14 PM
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I quit using number three traps around livestock several years ago after holding a couple yearling cattle. If the trap gets above the hoof on a cow, it will pull down and hang up on the hoof. I have never had any problem catching coyotes in the smaller traps, and never held anything larger than a deer or antelope in a number two bridger.
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Re: 1.5 coils on coyotes?
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05/28/07 10:11 PM
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Absolutely they will hold yotes if fully built to the hilt. I do it routinely with the 3 dozen I made up. I start with Dukes, baseplate, laminate,use #3 American chain, MB cruch proof swivels,bend the jaws up and bubble,nitelatch,put in a heavy brass pan bolt and most important... #2 music wire springs. I have not educated a single yote....LOL...but have removed loads from the gene pool with these traps. I use these fully modified 1.5s as a special purpose trap and would consider it on par with 4 coiled Bridger #2s in performance comparisons. To do all the mods is LOTS of work. There are much better time/cost alternatives out there. My choice of yote trap is the MB 650 O/I laminated and what I normally set where I can use them. Haven't had any problems educating them with these traps either....LOL. Here's a pic for you.
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