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Hitting someone in their own home isn't cause????? #2068857
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AETA setback part of lengthy legal process (Nature Magazine)‏
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Nature Magazine
Animal rights 'terror' law challenged
Targeted researchers support the legislation, despite free-speech concerns.
Emma Marris
20 July 2010
http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100720/full/466424a.html

A tough but rarely invoked US law intended to protect researchers from
violent and threatening animal-rights activists has stumbled out of
the starting gate: last week, a judge dismissed the first prosecution
under the law. The decision comes on top of evidence that the
legislation has done little to deter illegal incidents, and concerns
that it risks restricting free speech.

Yet researchers who have been targeted by activists mostly support the
law — and wish that it would be enforced more often and more
aggressively. "You could present this as a setback," says John Ngai, a
neuroscientist at the University of California, Berkeley, and the
university's spokesman on animal research issues. "But this is one
step in a lengthy process. The wheels of justice grind really slowly."

The 2008 Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (AETA), which replaces a less
powerful statute, is designed to help end campaigns of harassment
against academic scientists. It outlaws property damages at
universities and threats that produce a 'reasonable fear' of death or
injury for researchers or their relatives.

The law's first major test came in February 2009, when four
animal-rights activists — Adriana Stumpo, Nathan Pope, Joseph
Buddenberg and Maryam Khajavi — were arrested and later indicted under
the AETA, for incidents at the homes of several University of
California system researchers in 2007 and 2008. The group, with other
protesters, wore bandanas over their faces and wrote messages such as
"Stop the Torture", "Bird Killer" and "Murder for Scientific Lies" on
the pavement with blue and purple chalk, according to police reports.
The protesters allegedly burst through a researcher's door and one of
them hit her husband with an object.


But on 12 July, a federal judge dismissed the indictment for being too
vague: prosecutors did not say which of the activists' alleged actions
violated the law. However, prosecutors are free to re-indict if they
can show how particular actions crossed the line.



Is this judge senile??? They burst into a home & hit the home owner on the HEAD?? What imaginary line is worst then that in trying to terrorize someone??

By classing animal-activist crimes as 'terrorism', the statute has
succeeded in bringing more law-enforcement resources to bear on the
issue, especially from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, says
Frankie Trull, president of the pro-animal-research National
Association for Biomedical Research (NABR) in Washington DC.

Yet Trull has been disappointed with the results so far. Several
dangerous crimes remain unsolved, including the firebombing of a house
and car belonging to researchers in Santa Cruz, California, in 2008,
and the March 2009 torching of a car belonging to David Jentsch, a
neuroscientist at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA).
"Why aren't they arresting these guys?" asks Trull. "It is hard to
believe that these extremists are so sophisticated that they don't
leave any trail."

There are also few signs that the law has been a deterrent. The number
of illegal incidents fluctuates wildly (see 'Wrongs in the name of
animal rights'), and analyses by groups on both sides of the issue —
the NABR and the activist-sympathizing Bite Back magazine — show no
clear effect on the number or nature of attacks since the AETA was
passed.

Most law-enforcement efforts against animal rights-related crimes in
the past decade rely on other legislation. In California, which sees
the bulk of US attacks, the state's Researcher Protection Act of 2008
has made it a misdemeanour to publish the names and locations of
researchers to encourage crimes against them. Under other state laws,
UCLA has been granted injunctions that ban several activists from
approaching researchers' homes. Activists have also been successfully
pursued under anti-stalking laws.

The strong language of the AETA — which in the Berkeley case raises
freedom of speech issues, the judge warned — could be making
prosecutors wary of using it. Lawyers for the defendants say that much
of the activists' activity — chalking, chanting and leafleting —
should be considered protected 'speech', and therefore be exempt from
restriction. According to Michael Macleod-Ball, chief legislative
counsel of the New York-based American Civil Liberties Union,
"Prosecutors need to be careful about how they use this, because the
language in the statute is a little squishy."

Researchers who have been the target of attacks don't want prosecutors
to give up yet. Jentsch endured lengthy protests at his home after the
burning of his car. He thinks that the AETA could deter protesters who
are "actively seeking the boundary of protected speech" to harm
researchers without getting arrested. But this won't happen until
there are more AETA arrests. "I don't see that the AETA has really
affected activists yet," says Jentsch. "It has got to be used to
aggressively pursue people who have pushed the bounds of behaviour."

CORRECTED: An earlier version of this story incorrectly implied that
the incidents for which animal rights activists were arrested involved
only researchers at the University of California, Berkeley. In fact,
researchers at the University of California, Santa Cruz, were also
targeted.



Maybe the laws are weak because the judges are to mentally screwed up to see that the crimes deserve swift and realistic sentencing for the ones charged..


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UK activists claim torching of vehicles (Bite Back)‏

Sent: July 21, 2010 1:12:59 PM


Bite Back Magazine
FLAMES ENGULF DELIVERY VANS AT NOTORIOUS LAB ANIMAL BREEDER
July 20, 2010 - UK

received anonymously:

"On the early hours of Monday 19th July, Highgate Farm in
Lincolnshire, UK was visited and information was gathered to be used
in the future against this lab animal breeder.

But before leaving we wanted to make sure that Geoffrey Douglas, the
owner of the 'farm' was left under no illusion to what we think of his
animal abusing ways and to remind him that we're not bothered by his
noisy alarm system or his security lights (thanks it helped us see
where your delivery vans were). We lit up the night sky in our own way
as flames engulfed the vehicles, make sure you tell your insurance
company that you are a high risk customer. You are quite isolated on
Highgate Lane and we're sure to return and leave more messages until
you do the right thing and pull out of animal abuse once and for all.

The rabbits and ferrets you breed and send to their torture and death
in labs across the UK will not be forgotten and scream out for
justice. We'll be back when you least expect it until you stop your
vile business for good. This is just a little warning, if we have to
come back again the next time we will not be so nice.

You only have one choice, make it soon...
For the animals we will fight.


The judges should weight this bragging action into their sentencing thus giving the creeps time to realize how their own words condemned them.


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Originally Posted By: Mira Trapper

... when four animal-rights activists — Adriana Stumpo, Nathan Pope, Joseph
Buddenberg and Maryam Khajavi — were arrested and later indicted under
the AETA, for incidents at the homes of several University of
California system researchers in 2007 and 2008. The group, with other
protesters, wore bandanas over their faces and wrote messages such as
"Stop the Torture", "Bird Killer" and "Murder for Scientific Lies" on
the pavement with blue and purple chalk, according to police reports.
The protesters allegedly burst through a researcher's door and one of
them hit her husband with an object.


in my home? that would have been their last great act of defiance. only three of them would have survived to stand trial later on

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Mira:

Some years back, there was a group of AR activists that was contaminating the raw milk at the dairy farms . It took a long time to catch them, but it turned out that what they were doing , was sneeking onto dairy farms late at night and injecting the cows and the milk in the bulk tanks with antibiotics. It finally stopped when a dairy farmer saw a light on in his barn late one night when it should have been off. Caught them in the act !!!

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Mira- first off love to see ya back posting again.

Second- if they burst into my house and either threatened harm, or in the case harmed one of my loved ones, well there would not be enough left of them to go to trial. I am kinda like a momma griz when it comes to my love ones. I even think you are going to harm them and the claws and teeth come out.

When I was a kid and I would hear someone laid down their life for there someone and I would think how on earth would you do that. Then I became a wife and a mom and now I know the love that I would protect with my life.


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I see things the same as you folks when it comes to my home. However what kinda Judge would be so misguided that they can claim no just cause for sentencing the AETA 4 under whatever Book she can throw at them??. The judge that can not recognize the gravity of such an invasion needs to have a heart to heart with her shrink.

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Originally Posted By: austinp
Originally Posted By: Mira Trapper

... when four animal-rights activists — Adriana Stumpo, Nathan Pope, Joseph
Buddenberg and Maryam Khajavi — were arrested and later indicted under
the AETA, for incidents at the homes of several University of
California system researchers in 2007 and 2008. The group, with other
protesters, wore bandanas over their faces and wrote messages such as
"Stop the Torture", "Bird Killer" and "Murder for Scientific Lies" on
the pavement with blue and purple chalk, according to police reports.
The protesters allegedly burst through a researcher's door and one of
them hit her husband with an object.



in my home? that would have been their last great act of defiance. only three of them would have survived to stand trial later on


Exactly. Nobody owns a gun ?


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agreed bad karma.... my 12 ga with Winchester lead bb loads would have solved it all...

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Bottom line is still a matter of they did get to trial & the judge overlooked the bursting into their home and didn't figure the assault to be just cause for some serious legal retribution!! That is wrong for all types of legal reasons.


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