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#179532 - 04/15/07 11:34 AM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Asa Lenon]
Jtrapper Offline


Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 15449
Loc: Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...
At any rate, ive learned by leaving lure behind on objects and trapping the same ground year after year I DID start to get avoidance. Switch swapping lures from year to year cured the problem so the lure was the problem.

Im not hauling off every rock, stump, broom straw clump, bone, log, etc. i smear lure on from every trapline i run, lol. Is easier to just switch swap lures from year to year.
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#179539 - 04/15/07 11:39 AM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Jtrapper]
Asa Lenon Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 5935
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
I haven't found any equally effective lures from what I am using to switch from year to year so I would rather be safe than sorry, LOL! Ace


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#179552 - 04/15/07 11:47 AM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Asa Lenon]
Jtrapper Offline


Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 15449
Loc: Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...
We don't have the SUPER DUPER variety of coyote's here though Asa, as ive told Paul before im not picky about lure's, if it stinks they will come, lol.

I kept detailed records for 3 years on lures to see which one was my BEST coyote lure even though in my mind I already knew, boy was I wrong!

In the end I couldn't see any major difference from one lure to the next, even some off brand 1.50 a ounce one's id bought at our state meet auction! Basically if it stunk, they came to it.
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#179590 - 04/15/07 12:22 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Jtrapper]
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 2325
Loc: SW Pa
Jtrapper I couldnt agree with you more. In some regions it just doesnt matter to any great degree what one uses. If it has an odor of just about any food,curosity or gland origin they will show some interest.Animals are opportunists by and large so this situation can be true in many areas of the country at times.. The major factor is trapper pressure,population densities and interference of man to a greater degree.
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#179620 - 04/15/07 01:12 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Bob Jameson]
huntinglonewolf Offline
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Registered: 12/27/06
Posts: 3838
Loc: Wyoming
I made some bait last year and didn't have any advoidence from any animals. I caught 9 coyotes in the same remake set in 10 days. I belive if you have the right ingridents in lures or baits you won't get advoidences. I also used redfox urine and real sheeps wool wich has an order itself. I really belive all the lures and bait that are made today are a little weak on high quality ingridents.
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#179641 - 04/15/07 01:38 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: huntinglonewolf]
k9. Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 3740
Loc: Brooklyn, Iowa 45 years old st...
Nah J you are smart as any ole coyote. Take that as a compliment, it was intended as such.

I too am not hauling away backings and stuff from my line. My awareness of potential for habituation however, makes me mix it up a bit, as far as lures go.

Depending on the backing or object holding the lure, and weather conditions, I think some smells last a very long time. Even if the lure stick is gone, I have at times in the spring, seen where coyotes have dug out the old hole.

Ideally the coyote smells your lure, investigates it, and dies. However with no trap out front that will not happen. I was playing with some smells last summer out in my yard, watching my dogs react to them. Had a couple holes in the yard where the dogs had been aggressively digging. Once in a while those dogs will still sotp at those spots, and sniff around and dig a bit.

Do they smell residual lure after all this time, or have they just come into the habit of folling aorundin that spot?

I dunno.

Trapper should be better educated, with all the resources they have that we did not have at the beginning of the fur boom. However this new crew that came out only because of higher fur prices often cares very little about trapping.
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#179671 - 04/15/07 02:32 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: k9.]
Riverotter2 Offline
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Registered: 01/28/07
Posts: 623
Loc: Tuscaloosa, Alabama
I drove up on a coyote in a trap one time and there was 3 others with it. They seen me and took off and i didnt see another track in there for over 3 weeks, made me wonder how many coyotes watch trappers kill trap coyotes. After that they got harder to trap in that area. Was it human scent at the set or them seein me comein up to the other coyote that made them harder to trap? Then one time i trapped alot of coyotes off a farm that had large chicken houses on it. Done good there but kept seein the tracks of one big dog that would'nt come in on my sets. Know how i got him, i tied a dead chicken to a post and had him the next day. Sounds like a dumb set i know but he went right to it human order and all. What gets me is i know he smelled me at the other sets and had to smell me at the dead chicken but that did'nt seem to matter any more to him. Could'nt he put danger together at both sets? Did'nt see any more tracks in there after that.

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#179718 - 04/15/07 03:37 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Riverotter2]
Asa Lenon Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 5935
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
During Summer bounty trapping i've driven up to sets where there was say 3 pups already in traps and the Mother coyote and 3 more pups were there and hid in the ferns. Most everytime something like that happened the mother coyote would move herself and the remaining pups right out of the country. If the Mother was in the trap of course the pups would continue to hang around and I would finish them up on the next visit.

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#180131 - 04/15/07 11:38 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Asa Lenon]
Gary Offline
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Registered: 01/08/07
Posts: 12915
Loc: Indiana, 15 1/4yrs old
i didnt read everything that was posted ..... BUT .... if an animal has smelled a smell and didnt gain anything from it .... and it is presented the same way .... they wont be too keen on checkin it out ..... if they have seen the same set (dirthole) and smelled it .... whats the sense ?? anyone that traps much will know what im sayin .... dunno im an idiot .... lol .... BUT is fun to act like i do
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#180139 - 04/15/07 11:44 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Gary]
Gary Offline
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Registered: 01/08/07
Posts: 12915
Loc: Indiana, 15 1/4yrs old
if an animal has approached a set and has been nipped .... its even worse .... i dont care if ogorman or wendt says it doesnt happen ..... the critters are conditioned ...... this isnt from my own observations ..... but what i have seen combined with what i was taught .......... this isnt always a bad thing tho cuzz ya can use it to ya advantage .... BUT what do i know .... lol
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#182292 - 04/17/07 08:05 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Gary]
Billfrank Offline
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 1750
Loc: TEXAS
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#182360 - 04/17/07 08:51 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Billfrank]
Heavymetal Offline
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Registered: 01/22/07
Posts: 1619
Loc: Downsville,LA
Im going to make a hypothesis and say the lure is not burned out and more like the k9's have been educated and is staying clear of the set for some other reason.

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#186022 - 04/21/07 09:24 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Heavymetal]
Billfrank Offline
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Registered: 12/22/06
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Loc: TEXAS
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