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#157063 - 03/28/07 05:34 PM Lure burn out.........
Palerider Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/24/06
Loc: Mo.
In response to creektrapper about more serious minded topics....I thought I'd start this.

How many of you have seen lures burn out in your part of the country ???? I've seen this many,many times in my area and I can't say that I understand why it happens.I've used certain lures for a few years and seen how they simply wasn't as effect after some time as the first few years I've used them.

Now.......I could put this lure aside and not use it for 3-4 years and have it be just as effective as in the beginning.Anybody else ever seen this type of thing happen in your area ??

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#157070 - 03/28/07 05:40 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Palerider]
Gary Offline
trapper

Registered: 01/08/07
Loc: Indiana, 15 1/4yrs old
i believe this is due to animals workin the particular smells and not being caught .... missin the pan, after the trap is pulled, etc .... i have never seen it happen on a large scale ... but im sure some know what im sayin ...sorry for being so vague but could write a small book bout it ... just figured id throw in sum input
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#157200 - 03/28/07 06:43 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Gary]
Asa Lenon Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
I've been using the same exact lures in the same areas year after year for over 50 years and my Dad in the same areas for 40 years before myself. I have not seen one shred of evidence that the effectiveness was anything but steady for all of that time. Thats not to mention that most of the best trappers in my locality use the same lures in the same general localities too. Personally, I think this "burn out" idea was founded and promoted by buding lure makers as a means of getting their foot in the door with a new product. Trappers having fluctuations in yearly harvesting assumed the lure was burned out or had become ineffective because of a formula change. The true reason for the poor harvest may have laid in a multitude of variables too long to list. Ace

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#157247 - 03/28/07 07:06 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Asa Lenon]
Palerider Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/24/06
Loc: Mo.
I hear what you're saying Asa.....and there's no doubt at times it is something unrelated to the lure.Low animal numbers,bad locations,weather and maybe another dozen reasons I've not even thought of.

But,I'm refering to those times when sign was there,but fur wasn't workin' sets.One thing I have noticed......I've had far less of this problem when I cleaned up sets when pulling traps at the end of the season.Leaving no trace of lure or baits at a location.

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#157268 - 03/28/07 07:16 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Palerider]
Asa Lenon Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
Palerider writes...
I've had far less of this problem when I cleaned up sets when pulling traps at the end of the season.Leaving no trace of lure or baits at a location.

Good point Palerider! I have most always taken the little extra time when pulling traps to smooth out the set so it looks natural rather than being a big unnatural hole left where the trap was buried. I always pick up waxed paper trap coverings too where most trappers just jerk the trap, leave the paper there and leave human tracks right at the set to possibly make a wary passing canine suspicious of sets thereafter. Then I have a barbecue fork with the tines bent over so I can reach into the hole and easily retrieve the scent stick. Ace

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#157283 - 03/28/07 07:25 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Asa Lenon]
Palerider Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/24/06
Loc: Mo.
Here's another thought Ace.I've seen countless times when a coon would climb a tree for the smell of fish,while the next coon would walk with inches of the set showing no interest in fish ordors.

Maybe it's just individual animals likes and dislikes.I mean really.....not everybody likes ice cream.

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#157287 - 03/28/07 07:29 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Palerider]
45/70 Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: Georgia
It often happens in areas where new and ignorant, or lazy and inept trappers make sloppy sets. These folks are H to follow behind.
Later,
45/70,

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#157362 - 03/28/07 08:11 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: 45/70]
JBMan Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/24/06
Loc: Cape County, MO
i blame it mostly on low game populations... around here, all the old dutch farmers believe in fencing off everything and making sure that nothing but grass is growing between them... not real conducive to helping the game population ...

and i can also say that i am with 45/70 that some animals will associate a lure with a bad experience... such as getting pinched, or digging out countless sloppy trap beds.
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#157407 - 03/28/07 08:38 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: JBMan]
Anonymous
Unregistered

i use a good coon lure and ive never had a lure burn out,the only way i can see that happen is if ya snap a few coons on that lure,i switched up to ringtail renegade and skys the limit and have never had burn out yet,just my 2 cents worth.

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#157468 - 03/28/07 09:02 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: ]
Asa Lenon Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
Doug Toops writes...i use a good coon lure and ive never had a lure burn out

I agree 100%. Back in the Michigan bounty era of trapping coyotes all year around we were required by law to turn loose every incidental coon. I don't recall ever seeing evidence that even one coon ever passed a lured coyote set and my trapping territory is a vast area of sand where tracks are most always apparent. Ace

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#157503 - 03/28/07 09:15 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Asa Lenon]
Anonymous
Unregistered

thank you asa,if ya have a good lure as you know they wont pass it.

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#157594 - 03/28/07 10:02 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: ]
Scott Phillips Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: Utah
Lure burn out!!!! All You guys that sell lure have heard Your wives talk about how burned out they get from smelling that stinky lure.

There is nothing like grinding skunk sacks!! Scott
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#157611 - 03/28/07 10:10 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Scott Phillips]
Asa Lenon Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
I've got nose burn out Scott from years of working in the lure building!! Ace

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#157621 - 03/28/07 10:14 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Scott Phillips]
Barkstone Offline


Registered: 12/22/06
Loc: St Louis, Missouri
I disagree everybody like Ice Cream!
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#157624 - 03/28/07 10:15 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Scott Phillips]
Heavymetal Offline
trapper

Registered: 01/22/07
Loc: Downsville,LA
when they start shying from my bait and such I just add some lenons lures and spice it up. Try this I have had good results. I like using Lenon's lures on the old wise coyotes or a coyote that has already knows my trap is there. I just change the set up a little and use lenons. Fox sure long range all call and Coyote Super range all call I will always keep in my bag of tricks. I have found that if the bait i have in the hole doesn't produce any activity I will add a little lenons. These lures last a long time and they go far. I have had a jar of fox super all call for 4 yrs and its as good now as it was when I purchased it if not better, and should still make another season on it.

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#157659 - 03/28/07 10:54 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Heavymetal]
NDtrapper Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: North Dakota
All very good posts. I have had this happen with coyotes but I dont think its "lure burn out" but more like lack of intrest. If a coyote works a set and does not get caught for whatever reason I think that some, not all, but some will lose intrest. I picture an unintrested coyote walking buy a set that he has smelled before thinking "I've smelled that before" and therefore he knows what it is and the curiousity factor is gone and in his mind he will move on to greener pastures. If you change the visual attraction from say a dirthole to a flatset and use the same lure chances are that the unintrested coyote will become intrested again because there is something different about the set. You can avoid this from happening by using a lure from a good lure maker. In my mind a good lure keeps the animal at the set long enough to get caught. Many lures will attract an animal but do not hold the animals intrest long enough for a high catch rate. Lenons and Cavens lures do catch more fur because they hold the animals attention. Trapping without their lures in my mind is a BIG handicap.

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#157666 - 03/28/07 11:01 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: NDtrapper]
Gary Offline
trapper

Registered: 01/08/07
Loc: Indiana, 15 1/4yrs old
this is my thing ... conditioning ... if the animal has smelled a certain smell and have had a bad experience or gained nuthin at all by investigatin a smell ... when they smell it again WHY bother ?? i have the utmost respect for alot of trappers and those who make lures THAT WORK ..... but i also THINK .... and have seen certain things while trappin ... not to step on toes or anything .... sorry
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#157679 - 03/28/07 11:08 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Gary]
playin4funami Offline
trapper

Registered: 01/25/07
Loc: nebraska
I always thought when my catches dropped off that I had already caught the cream of the crop and it was time to move to another location for a while:)
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#157680 - 03/28/07 11:09 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: Gary]
NDtrapper Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/23/06
Loc: North Dakota
I agree Gary, but what the heck are ya sorry for?

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#157692 - 03/28/07 11:18 PM Re: Lure burn out......... [Re: NDtrapper]
Gary Offline
trapper

Registered: 01/08/07
Loc: Indiana, 15 1/4yrs old
its just that people think there are SET things when trappin and its so far from the truth .... i have caught less animals than most on here .... but the few i have caught i try to THINK why i have caught em .... and think why i didnt catch the ones that i thought i should have ... its all detective work ... what it comes down to is ... if ya stay with one lure ya not gonna catch what ya could have if ya used multiple ones ... and the attractiveness of one lure to another will change .. i have seen animals refuse well established lures on my lines that i KNOW works great ...and later in the season only to fall for sumthin that is less than mediocre .... but this are my feelings on the topic and i dont wanna step on toes
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