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#1494851 - 09/12/09 10:44 PM BAIT - Crawfish paste bait?
gunther274 Offline
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I have been trapping crawfish and throwing them in the freezer for a while now. I want to grind them and mix them with some sodium benzoate. I have been reading through the archives a bit and it sounds like fish are harder to stabilize. These will have no taint so will they still be hard to stabilize? I am thinking about adding some anise and a small amout of shellfish oil to this as well, but i would like it to be a paste. Im hoping to have a mild fishy with a hint of sweetness bait when i am done. Any thoughts on this?

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#1494903 - 09/12/09 11:32 PM Re: Crawfish paste bait? [Re: gunther274]
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Loc: Minnesota
I have used bullheads here in Mn and found that using salt is a very good preservative for any fish.

I have also used sodium benzoate with less success. The smell seams to be fresher with salt the any other preservative.

Fishing in canada we need to use dead minnows in a salt pack.
No water dry salt & shiners they make the trip well and have a real fresh look.
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#1494904 - 09/12/09 11:33 PM Re: Crawfish paste bait? [Re: gunther274]
conibearking Offline
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Loc: Detroit,Mich.U.S.A.
I have been thinking about doing the same thing,so I would be interested in hearing from others as well.
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#1494945 - 09/13/09 12:21 AM Re: Crawfish paste bait? [Re: conibearking]
TheBest Offline
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Registered: 08/12/09
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Loc: pa
i go and catch thousands of minnows and blend them up and and add alittle shell fish oil to one and add alittle of molasses to one and so on but those 2 work the best for me and i add salt in it to to preserve it.if you get it to runny i just add oat meal.

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#1496014 - 09/13/09 06:46 PM Re: Crawfish paste bait? [Re: Thors Hammer]
hillbillyken Offline
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Registered: 02/28/09
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Loc: Shenandoah , Iowa, Fremont Co.
Originally Posted By: Thors Hammer
I have used bullheads here in Mn and found that using salt is a very good preservative for any fish.

I have also used sodium benzoate with less success. The smell seams to be fresher with salt the any other preservative.




Thor

so how much salt do you add to say like a gallon?


Edited by hillbillyken (09/13/09 06:47 PM)
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#1496038 - 09/13/09 06:58 PM Re: Crawfish paste bait? [Re: hillbillyken]
bowhunter1 Offline
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Registered: 12/24/06
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Loc: Western Pa.
Yea,i have used crayfish ground up with anise oil with sodium benzoate,I think i used 2tablespoons to a pint of crayfish,never spoiled all season.Kind of messy,need a spoon to get it in the hole.Seemed to work ok,never used shellfish oil,might work.
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#1496071 - 09/13/09 07:14 PM Re: Crawfish paste bait? [Re: bowhunter1]
paydowncat Offline
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Registered: 05/18/08
Posts: 142
Loc: Belle, MO
I used crawdads(crayfish) last year with some success, I used sodium benzoate.The thing I didn't like was that it was not much of a paste. Mine turned out more like wet, fine gravel. I'll be interested to see how yours turns out. Good luck. I'm going to use mackerel and fish oil this year.

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#1496217 - 09/13/09 08:21 PM Re: Crawfish paste bait? [Re: hillbillyken]
Thors Hammer Offline
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Registered: 08/27/09
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Loc: Minnesota

I use non iodized pickling salt or cheaper yet is rock salt for the water softner.

1 quart salt to 1 gallon water.

Dry pack in salt is also good you will see some shrink of the bait but when put in the set they will swell back up to natural.
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#1496242 - 09/13/09 08:32 PM Re: Crawfish paste bait? [Re: paydowncat]
gunther274 Offline
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Registered: 01/05/07
Posts: 690
Loc: north minnesota
i might try to throw in some flour or corn starch to thicken it up, make it more like a paste. I am really excited to mix up my own lures this year, its like the "next level" of trapping for me!

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#1496353 - 09/13/09 09:29 PM Re: Crawfish paste bait? [Re: gunther274]
LT GREY Offline
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Registered: 04/09/07
Posts: 16108
Loc: Central Ohio
Propylene glycol and a blender and some light PJ. It's all uou need...don't let anyone tell you different.

Now, if you want to add something else....that's a different story.....

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#1496355 - 09/13/09 09:30 PM Re: Crawfish paste bait? [Re: LT GREY]
gunther274 Offline
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Registered: 01/05/07
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Loc: north minnesota
PJ?

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#1496382 - 09/13/09 09:43 PM Re: Crawfish paste bait? [Re: gunther274]
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Check your PMs.
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#1496745 - 09/14/09 09:01 AM Re: Crawfish paste bait? [Re: 45/70]
hillbillyken Offline
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Registered: 02/28/09
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Loc: Shenandoah , Iowa, Fremont Co.
Originally Posted By: 45/70
Check your PMs.
45/70,
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Hey Why didn't I get the PM?
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#1496767 - 09/14/09 09:26 AM Re: Crawfish paste bait? [Re: hillbillyken]
gunther274 Offline
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Registered: 01/05/07
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Loc: north minnesota
ill throw it up here 45/70 has some good ideas there.

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#1496770 - 09/14/09 09:27 AM Re: Crawfish paste bait? [Re: gunther274]
gunther274 Offline
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Registered: 01/05/07
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Loc: north minnesota
Making Crawfish Oil or Crawfish Based Lure

Folks do it different ways, and Im not a professional or commercial lure maker, but here is what works for me:

I go ahead and cook my crawdads, and eat them. They turn a nice red, and are highly visible as bait. I grind up the leavings from the tails and some of the bodies.
I leave some of the heads and larger claws for visual attraction. Mix a cup of sodium benzoate (SB) to a gallon of the ground crawfish and crawfish pieces at this time if you like the smell. If not strong enough to suit you, wait to add the (SB) until the sun rendering process (see below), Cover the whole batch with either propylene glycol, or straight olive oil. I would think that you could add some commercial crawfish oil, but I have never done this for two reasons: (1) the idea is to make your own, and (2) most commercial crawfish oil has a rather mild smell and no visual attraction.

Set this mixture in the sun for the summer in a wide mouth glass jar, and let it render. The process is similar to "sun tea". When the sun rendered taint suits you, add 1 cup of sodium benzoate to each gallon of the crawfish mixture.

If you have a problem with gas, get a 4 inch, soft, black rubber plastic pipe cover and a screw clamp, and use this for your lid with a wide mouth glass gallon jar.

Before you install the plastic pipe cover as your lid, drill a 1/2" hole in the cover, line this hole with a half-inch rubber grommet, and put a wine maker's vapor lock in to the grommet.

You can use a dry cotton ball in the vapor lock, or you can wet the cotton ball down with propylene glycol ( PG). This will evaporate very slowly, keeping a good seal on the contents. You can use this rig on your fish oil too. If you have maggots, you left a way for the flies to get into the mixture. That's the only way you get maggots.

As you use the crawfish mixture, you can add more sun rendered crawfish parts and either PG, olive oil, whatever you are using, and keep it working almost forever. Be sure and add 3 or 4 tablespoons of new (SB) for every new quart of sun rendered crawfish parts you add as replacement.

I like this mix better than some other ways of making crawfish oil, and the commercial stuff, because you have the bright red pieces, claws, a few heads, and flakes of body shell for visual attraction, and the smell of the cooked crawfish is stronger than the small of uncooked ones.

I have never made a crawfish paste, but if I were to try, I think I would do it like this:

After eating the tails (Man, they are too fine to throw away or grind up.), grind all the remaining parts, not leaving any heads, claws or other large pieces as visual attractors (see above).

Add the correct amount of sodium benzoate, and sun render this mixture as above. When the mixture has been in the sun for a summer, I would strain any liquid off the ground crawfish.

Where ever you are sun rendering, make sure it is a place your dogs and house cats cannot reach.

I would mix the ground and rendered crawfish with plain petroleum jelly, lanolin, or maybe a little rendered skunk fat until I reached the consistency I wanted. If the paste was too thick, I would thin it a tad with the some sun rendered oil poured off the ground crawfish.

Hope that this helps you out.

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