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#1331110 - 05/04/09 12:28 PM Muskrat - I can't catch anythin on a Muskrat float
slyder06 Offline
trapper

Registered: 01/14/07
Posts: 44
Loc: northern ky
i live on a lake with an abundance of rat sign but cannot catch one on a float can. If someone uses the floats regularly and has good success can u please enlighten me

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#1331112 - 05/04/09 12:31 PM Re: i can't catch anythin on a Muskrat float [Re: slyder06]
ray12 Offline
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Registered: 01/26/09
Posts: 3007
Loc: Millersburg OH,
How long did you have them out??
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#1331121 - 05/04/09 12:43 PM Re: i can't catch anythin on a Muskrat float [Re: slyder06]
Jonathan Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 7618
Loc: Northwestern New York(Elder)
They often do not work in some habitats on a regional basis, even when there is a reasonably abundant muskrat population in evidence - for reasons unknown.

Floats are normally used in the fall before ice up when muskrats are searching for and banking food for the winter. At this time of the year, they do not have to do that as the native vegetation is probably sprouting up all over the place for them to satisfy their dietary requirements.

Do you have a photo of the floats that you are using? Where are you placing them, and what are you using for bait and/or lure?

Is this an ADC job?

Jonathan
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#1331125 - 05/04/09 12:47 PM Re: i can't catch anythin on a Muskrat float [Re: Jonathan]
slyder06 Offline
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Registered: 01/14/07
Posts: 44
Loc: northern ky
ihad them out most of season Where i am located the lake doesn't freeze up real fast. They are just wooden floats like any others I used carrots with anise oil. I place them off of steep undercut banks in deep water. I know there are dens there Isaw the rats go under and disappear.

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#1331131 - 05/04/09 12:54 PM Re: i can't catch anythin on a Muskrat float [Re: slyder06]
leo23 Offline
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Registered: 01/14/07
Posts: 1141
Loc: tornado alley, Okla
Originally Posted By: slyder06
ihad them out most of season Where i am located the lake doesn't freeze up real fast. They are just wooden floats like any others I used carrots with anise oil. I place them off of steep undercut banks in deep water. I know there are dens there Isaw the rats go under and disappear.

Look around and see if you can find where they are exiting the water and put your float maybe 10 feet or so out from the bank to give them a purch to sit on and look the bank over before they exit the water, also if it is that close to the bank they might take your groceries for a cheap quick meal, you might also try some of the vittles they been feeding on in the general area, thats all i got for you. good luck
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#1331139 - 05/04/09 01:02 PM Re: i can't catch anythin on a Muskrat float [Re: leo23]
muddyriverdogz Offline
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Registered: 11/04/08
Posts: 1807
Loc: Cleveland IL
This float will work when all others wont
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#1331217 - 05/04/09 02:36 PM Re: i can't catch anythin on a Muskrat float [Re: muddyriverdogz]
BuckeyeRaTrapin' Offline
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Registered: 02/16/07
Posts: 799
Loc: NW Ohio 43551
Smear a blob of fresh mud on the float. They are supposed to go nuts over the smell of fresh mud thinking another rat is in the area or building something. I think it's called sign trapping. I know it works in the marshes and on creek banks..Ask "CJ trapping"..
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#1331249 - 05/04/09 03:01 PM Re: i can't catch anythin on a Muskrat float [Re: BuckeyeRaTrapin']
Blackdog Offline
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Registered: 07/31/07
Posts: 6079
Loc: Wisconsin
I learned not to put all my eggs in the "float basket"
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#1331254 - 05/04/09 03:04 PM Re: i can't catch anythin on a Muskrat float [Re: Blackdog]
trapperray Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 1114
Loc: NE Iowa
Be careful using corn, as it will attract waterfowl, which when caught attracts DNR personnal and their ticket books.
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#1331258 - 05/04/09 03:06 PM Re: i can't catch anythin on a Muskrat float [Re: trapperray]
BuckeyeRaTrapin' Offline
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Registered: 02/16/07
Posts: 799
Loc: NW Ohio 43551
Hardware cloth dome over the float will keep them out..
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#1331286 - 05/04/09 03:34 PM Re: i can't catch anythin on a Muskrat float [Re: BuckeyeRaTrapin']
muddyriverdogz Offline
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Registered: 11/04/08
Posts: 1807
Loc: Cleveland IL
You cant get a ticket for catching waterfowl in a trap no more than you could get a ticket for catching an otter or a wolf in one.It just has to be released.
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#1331294 - 05/04/09 03:40 PM Re: i can't catch anythin on a Muskrat float [Re: muddyriverdogz]
Blackdog Offline
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Registered: 07/31/07
Posts: 6079
Loc: Wisconsin
Originally Posted By: muddyriverdogz
You cant get a ticket for catching waterfowl in a trap no more than you could get a ticket for catching an otter or a wolf in one.It just has to be released.


I think its more of a question of ethics.
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#1331306 - 05/04/09 03:55 PM Re: i can't catch anythin on a Muskrat float [Re: Blackdog]
Jonathan Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 7618
Loc: Northwestern New York(Elder)
In a similar train of thought, I call it routine Preventative Maintenance - why set yourself up for clutter by inviting undesirable incidentals other than the target species?

Jonathan
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#1331320 - 05/04/09 04:09 PM Re: i can't catch anythin on a Muskrat float [Re: Jonathan]
muddyriverdogz Offline
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Registered: 11/04/08
Posts: 1807
Loc: Cleveland IL
I use theose floats by the hundreds and catch very few waterfowl and i use corn.If you use a little 1 long spring larger ducks are unscaved by the incident.

I here all these people on here using larger traps to drown the rat faster,wheres your Ethics comments to that,These floats target Rats.Every time you set any trap you could say you are inviting incidentals because there is always a chance it could happen.
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#1331508 - 05/04/09 06:13 PM Re: i can't catch anythin on a Muskrat float [Re: muddyriverdogz]
BudtheTrapMan Offline
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Registered: 10/14/08
Posts: 435
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: muddyriverdogz
You cant get a ticket for catching waterfowl in a trap no more than you could get a ticket for catching an otter or a wolf in one.It just has to be released.

I believe in MI and dont quote me it states you cant have "visible bait" now while I have to dig the book back out and read for sure. I believe it was meant for meat baits to keep hawks and etc. away but im sure its the same principle for corn with ducks.
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#1331517 - 05/04/09 06:22 PM Re: i can't catch anythin on a Muskrat float [Re: muddyriverdogz]
Blackdog Offline
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Registered: 07/31/07
Posts: 6079
Loc: Wisconsin
Originally Posted By: muddyriverdogz
I use theose floats by the hundreds and catch very few waterfowl and i use corn.

A little hardware cloth and very few could become none.

Originally Posted By: muddyriverdogz
I here all these people on here using larger traps to drown the rat faster,wheres your Ethics comments to that,

Drowning faster is better ethics.


Originally Posted By: muddyriverdogz
Every time you set any trap you could say you are inviting incidentals because there is always a chance it could happen.

Thats is true. BUT we can do our part and try to minimize them to the best of our abilities.
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#1332049 - 05/05/09 07:04 AM Re: i can't catch anythin on a Muskrat float [Re: muddyriverdogz]
Bruce T Offline
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 15795
Loc: Northern Maine
Originally Posted By: muddyriverdogz
I here all these people on here using larger traps to drown the rat faster,wheres your Ethics comments to that

The muskrat drowns quicker with the heavier trap.
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#1332050 - 05/05/09 07:06 AM Re: i can't catch anythin on a Muskrat float [Re: Bruce T]
Bruce T Offline
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 15795
Loc: Northern Maine
I also had the most luck using floats during the spring muskrat trapping season during breeding season.Never had much luck in the fall muskrat trapping seasons with floats.
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#1332220 - 05/05/09 10:04 AM Re: i can't catch anythin on a Muskrat float [Re: Bruce T]
BBLWI 2 Offline
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Registered: 10/08/07
Posts: 530
Loc: East-Central WI
I used floats 20 years ago on a large marsh where others were trapping the feed beds, houses etc. until they quit trapping. The floats were very poor producers for me with and w/o the competition later in that marsh. Just too many other good places for rats to travel. I quit using floats.
Later now I have made some that I use 1.5 single long spring traps on in creeks, rivers, under bridges, culverts etc. and they are doing better. I have cut a 1/2 inch wire mesh cover over these and there are no waterfowel caught in these float sets now. On rivers where there is less habitat or creeks and streams I feel the floats offer opportunities for rats to use them more than in the large marshes where they have so many choices.


Bryce

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#1332228 - 05/05/09 10:15 AM Re: i can't catch anythin on a Muskrat float [Re: BBLWI 2]
muddyriverdogz Offline
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Registered: 11/04/08
Posts: 1807
Loc: Cleveland IL
Drowning faster is better Ethics

I think the point is to have a live Duck so it can be released...
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