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Without research anesthesiologists are usless #1297955
04/09/09 11:28 AM
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In fact this whole press release by ALF is a lie. The debate on animal research is over 100 years old and the research continues because it must if we are to stay ahead of modern diseases. An anesthesiologist without animal researched drugs would never be able to offer a patient much in the relief of pain in different medical procedures so Dr. Geek is nothing less then a hypocrite for his claims. Vlasak is more interested in hate mongering the medical professionals then in curing folks. He has not been an active anesthesiologist in years but he has been a professional ARA campaigner.





Activist M.D.s challenge Pro-test advocates (NAALPO)‏



North American Animal Liberation Press Office
Physicians Relish Debate With Pro-Test UCLA Organizers
Apologists for Animal Abuse Challenged to Publicly Defend Their Position
For Immediate Release
April 2, 2009
http://www.home front for spreading ARA/ALF lies.


After years of refusing to debate physicians and animal advocates,
UCLA vivisectors are again being challenged to publicly debate, on
campus and in full view of students, faculty and the press, their
outdated, scientifically fraudulent, and cruel practices
experimenting on non-human animals. The scientific merits of
abandoning animal research are widely accepted, and will be
intelligently and vigorously defended by physician Ray Greek, M.D.

Earlier this week, UCLA primate experimenter David Jentsch announced
his formation of Pro-Test UCLA, a group of faculty and administrators
who intend to defend the university's ongoing practice of killing
animals, including non-human primates, as they addict them to
methamphetamines, PCP , and nicotine. None of the supporters of animal
experimentation have provided specific evidence their research will
ever effectively treat human disease, nor have they previously been
willing to discuss or consider the use of more modern research
techniques that no longer involve killing animals.

Contacted at Americans For Medical Advancement, Dr. Ray Greek, an
anesthesiologist and outspoken critic of animal experimentation solely
on the grounds of its scientific inefficacy, states "I am more than
willing to participate in a debate on the science behind using animals
to predict human response to disease and drugs. A debate about the
ethics of animal experimentation will be more informed if the science
is clear before-hand. I look forward to a conversation based on
science and reason if UCLA Pro-Test advocates have a capable
representative and are willing to publicly state their flawed
position."

North American Animal Liberation Press Officer Jerry Vlasak, MD, also
a physician, is willing to debate UCLA animal experimenters at a
separate event: "I relish the opportunity to debate not only the lack
of scientific merit to animal experimentation, but I am also looking
forward to explaining and defending the tactics used to stop animal
abusers at UCLA. After years of polite offers to debate and negotiate,
UCLA's obstinacy has forced activists to pursue more effective means
of halting animal experimentation. UCLA have no one to blame but
themselves and their greed, as some faculty continue to ignore modern
research techniques and waste research funding on animal
experimentation."


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Dr. Geek. I like that Mira.


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Re: Without research anesthesiologists are usless [Re: sandman] #1299277
04/10/09 12:50 AM
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He would have to be a Geek in order to miss the Science that made him an anesthesiologist. Without biolabs he wouldn't have any drugs available for keeping patients out long enough for operative surgery or know how to balance the mixes of those drugs.


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