#677923 - 04/12/08 04:23 PM
Synthetic fermented egg
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BuckNE
"Migrant Laborer"
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Registered: 12/22/06
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Loc: Southeast Nebraska
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After reading an article in American Trapper, I got to doing some internet research on synthetic fermented egg. According to every government report I can find, it is unbeatable as a canine lure. Also been reading some stuff on rancher forums in Australia about them using it for dingo control. Sell it in an aerosol can down there. Then I got to looking at some trapping supply houses and found that it is sold here in the US, but not in aerosol form.
Anyone ever use this stuff?
Who makes the best?
Anyone in the US sell it in aerosol cans?
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#677979 - 04/12/08 05:03 PM
Re: Synthetic fermented egg
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Ole Hawkeye
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 2631
Loc: Oregon
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I use a dab ot it at my scent posts along with gland lure and fox urine.
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#677984 - 04/12/08 05:07 PM
Re: Synthetic fermented egg
[Re: Ole Hawkeye]
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RdFx
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 1053
Loc: Wisconsin
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Does anyone know the chemical makeup of SFE? I do know it is VERY corrosive.
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#677996 - 04/12/08 05:19 PM
Re: Synthetic fermented egg
[Re: RdFx]
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Snowpa
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Registered: 01/05/08
Posts: 229
Loc: Mn.
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I used it some years back,I believe maybe from O Gorman dont remember maybe Helfrich or Milligan I like the smell but I didnt notice that it was a miracle in a bottle either.
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#677998 - 04/12/08 05:21 PM
Re: Synthetic fermented egg
[Re: RdFx]
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white17
"General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"
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Registered: 03/17/07
Posts: 5070
Loc: McGrath, AK
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If its the same rotten egg smell that we used to produce in chemistry lab, it's hydrogen sulfide. H2S
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#677999 - 04/12/08 05:21 PM
Re: Synthetic fermented egg
[Re: RdFx]
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BrianRoberts
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 379
Loc: Central IL
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Its a very good K9 ingredent, but has to be used right, alone its a heck of a skunk and possum lure.
I do use it in a few of our lures.
Those lures wouldn't be the same with out it....B....
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#678012 - 04/12/08 05:37 PM
Re: Synthetic fermented egg
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Roger Ringgold
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 6
Loc: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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I bought some fron Nick Wyshinsky a few years back. I tried it on fox and coon. I had good results with it, but had trouble with getting it on my hands and clothing. I was not welcome in the house. It is powerful.
Roger
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#678027 - 04/12/08 05:49 PM
Re: Synthetic fermented egg
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possum5676
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Registered: 01/02/07
Posts: 936
Loc: kansas
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Asa lenon tested it both in formulation and alone and found it in his test and opinion to be very poor and is not a bit bashful in mentioing it as a general rule, orgorman claimed it had value as a lure or bait ingredient, boddicker thought very highly of it as a lure and tested it a great deal, russ carmen refused to use it as he considered it a possible liability not to mention thought the make up of it caused sinus problems and possibly even worse under constant exposure, when all the test were said and done it came to light that much of the performance was based on canines visiting the odor, but not as much was factored in on how much continued interest the animal had at a real trap set such as a dirthole as opposed to a scent block or plastic scent holder,sterling fur sells it in his line as well as others, i tried it one winter and considered it to be about as effective as supply house urine at scent post or dirtholes, chas dobbins used it in his trapping it seems mostly as a mixture in his long distance calls soaked into paper towels in a large soda pop bottle wired up in a tree, skunk musk and rotted fish juice was also in the mixture as i recall and he considered this mixture to be plenty strong and interesting enough to bring fox and coyotes for as far as a mile in the right conditions, i tried the same mixture and never achieved his results of a mile but figured i was sure getting 500 yards out of it when fresh.
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#678045 - 04/12/08 06:04 PM
Re: Synthetic fermented egg
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Snowpa
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Registered: 01/05/08
Posts: 229
Loc: Mn.
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I believe the claim they used to make was that it caused a urinating response.
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#678047 - 04/12/08 06:07 PM
Re: Synthetic fermented egg
[Re: Snowpa]
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white17
"General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"
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Registered: 03/17/07
Posts: 5070
Loc: McGrath, AK
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Carmen could be right about sinus problems. It is a toxic gas.
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#678059 - 04/12/08 06:16 PM
Re: Synthetic fermented egg
[Re: Coon Trapper112]
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MChewk
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 951
Loc: Northern Illinois
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Not to sound like a jerk here but is any one confusing the SFE with synthetic monkey pheromone? Both are chemicals that are noxious and do effectively call predators...just wondering.
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#678121 - 04/12/08 07:08 PM
Re: Synthetic fermented egg
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Ole Hawkeye
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 2631
Loc: Oregon
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I've never tried SFE alone, always used gland lure and urine with it, but I have used real rotten eggs in dirtholes. It's the best way I have found to keep fox out of your possum sets!
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#678215 - 04/12/08 08:06 PM
Re: Synthetic fermented egg
[Re: Ole Hawkeye]
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possum5676
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Registered: 01/02/07
Posts: 936
Loc: kansas
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No mike i was talking about the sfe myself as i have never read or heard much from luremakers on their veiws or use in formulation of monkey stuff, i did read a part of a government test that included it and have seen where at least at one time a citizen could get this product from the research center in idaho, wiley carroll mentioned it in his ramblings as well in one of his books but i dont remember what one, ive always been curious about the monkey stuff but could never find out much. Perhaps you could enlighten me.
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#678333 - 04/12/08 09:06 PM
Re: Synthetic fermented egg
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Ole Hawkeye
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 2631
Loc: Oregon
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I'll keep that in mind, maybe we'll have a monkey trapping season here.
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#678339 - 04/12/08 09:08 PM
Re: Synthetic fermented egg
[Re: possum5676]
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MChewk
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 951
Loc: Northern Illinois
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Beware of the "monkey stuff" Possum....IT IS dangerous!
But it is supposedly a secret...if there are any left...lol.. for some lure makers.
I know a few that use a few drops per batch of lure because of its (monkey pheromone) ability to allow more scent particles to be dispersed better?
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#678741 - 04/13/08 08:02 AM
Re: Synthetic fermented egg
[Re: MChewk]
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Bob Jameson
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 1367
Loc: SW Pa
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SFE is a extremely caustic and potentially risky material to work with.Via skin contact,eye absorption or inhalation.One must exercise caution during its use and your exposure. Many buy such ingredients not knowing the MSDS facts and potential health risks to such materials and other ingredients.
I use a very small amount in 2 products as it is very overpowering.It is a good secondary odor attractant but I have not used it as a primary odor.I have been using the same pint bottle for over 22 years if that tells you anything about its strength.It is a very bold type of product and can overpower like chenopodium.
Lure formulators and others doing homemade formulation working with chemicals and other ingredients should research their materials.Then take the proper precautions with their use.
I like others in this trade are high risk to many potential health issues due to our working with various powders, granules and liquid vapor type materials.I would caution all to be careful with this product and some others used in the lure industry. In reality any such caustic and health risk materials should be researched or get the MSDS fact sheets to prepare and protect the user of the products potential risk elements or their lack of.Just a good idea to know what you are working with.
My purpose is not to scare anyone just to bring about awareness to some items that may potentially put you at risk.SFE is one such item. Use appropriate masks, face shields and caustic material protective gloves or some barrier protection of the hands during use of any such products.
Beings we are all prone to smell everything at some point exposure to numerous gases is a guaranteed situation to all who work with these materials over time.
I have not worked with the monkey hormones but have read the research on it. Again I think there is a constant search for the holy grail. But when it all boils down it can be summed up with good basic ingredients blended with other elements then aged in an acceptable manner. When used by a novice or experienced individual these products will all get the job done just as well without the so called exotic imported animal hormones or other such synthetic materials that are supposed to be the current silver bullet.
Several studies and experiments have been done over the years and they all fade away in time to leave the materials that were supposed to be the new kid on the block and lead the way sitting on a shelf. Some being used still to a degree others are reborn thru anothers finding out about old research.
Here we are now still progressive in nature but working with the basics in some cases and doing well. We are still making some changes along the way or altering this or that but good formulations are still going strong and standing the test of time and being productive nonetheless.
The moral to the story is it all boils down to presentation and opportunity for that animal. This is an element that you must provide along with work ethic. Putting the product offering in front of the animal and making it attractive and inticing. Having done this you have done all you can do, the rest is a waiting game and how good the population is in the areas you have selected. Silver bullets come and go in most cases but tried and true formulas are enduring for the ages.
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#678787 - 04/13/08 08:44 AM
Re: Synthetic fermented egg
[Re: Bob Jameson]
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RdFx
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 1053
Loc: Wisconsin
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Well said , Bob.
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#679294 - 04/13/08 04:09 PM
Re: Synthetic fermented egg
[Re: RdFx]
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Joel
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Registered: 12/25/06
Posts: 112
Loc: nevada
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Right on Bob.
Joel
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#680101 - 04/13/08 11:52 PM
Re: Synthetic fermented egg
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Tactical.20
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 1208
Loc: N.W. Iowa
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I think I'll stick with ldc.T.20
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