#651839 - 03/26/08 04:25 PM
What do you do when coyotes don't visit your sets?
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Mark June
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Registered: 05/17/07
Posts: 301
Loc: Ft. Calhoun, Nebraska
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Scenario: Several coyotes are trapped successfully in an area for a period of time and then the sets grow cold. Perhaps the coyotes approach close but not close enough OR the darned things don't go near sets at all. What do you do?
I am currently writing an article on ways to address this and will submit to either Fur-Fish-Game or Trapper Predator Caller. (Not sure which one???)
Wondered what you all have up your camo sleeves???
Mark
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#651867 - 03/26/08 04:37 PM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your sets?
[Re: playin4funami]
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Dead Coyote
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Registered: 02/23/07
Posts: 1186
Loc: S.W. Minnesota
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Use different lure, bait and urine. Or back off a ways and set trails with some snares. It works for me!
Edited by Dead Coyote (03/26/08 04:38 PM)
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#651894 - 03/26/08 04:45 PM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your sets?
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JonathanR
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Registered: 02/12/08
Posts: 79
Loc: Middle Tennessee, 17 years old
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Sounds like it will be a very good article and I will look forward to it.
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#651922 - 03/26/08 04:55 PM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your sets?
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goldy
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Registered: 12/31/07
Posts: 1210
Loc: minnesota
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I'd p.m. Mark June and hear what he had to say! LOL If it were me, I'd do something completely different. Like set type, lure change, urine change, etc. There's lots of different changes one can make.
Edited by goldy (03/26/08 05:08 PM)
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#652023 - 03/26/08 05:41 PM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your sets?
[Re: goldy]
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Mark June
trapper
Registered: 05/17/07
Posts: 301
Loc: Ft. Calhoun, Nebraska
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Blackdog, Have you been sneekin a peek see at my article transcripts? Your getting warm and there are proven methods that are used when coyotes will not commit to standard methods. I think they'll be fair interest in what I outline in the article (working on it right now) and as I always do, I'm referencing the science behind the methodolgy so those interested can look into it further.
Hey, be the waym who read FFG and TPC or one and not the other? I usually send to TPC or even the NTA's AT, but FFG has been after me for a coyote submission, so may go that route. Just wondering??
Mark
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#652088 - 03/26/08 06:06 PM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your sets?
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Steve Craig
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 37
Loc: AZ
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Snare him coming or going.
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#652186 - 03/26/08 06:42 PM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your sets?
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Terry
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Registered: 12/26/06
Posts: 1339
Loc: White Sulphur Springs, MT
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I usually stand there and scratch my head.
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#652241 - 03/26/08 07:01 PM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your sets?
[Re: Blackdog]
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sonnysolo
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Registered: 10/11/07
Posts: 380
Loc: Pa.
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TPC please
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#652344 - 03/26/08 07:45 PM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your s
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mrcobaltblue
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 89
Loc: Central IL
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Now this is going to sound really stupid! Take something (anything)like a empty 2litre bottle of soda and set it off the trail 20yds and about 50-100yds from the rejected set. Set it like you would a scent post set...... They can't resist to check out something out of place. Its something that they don't associate with traps like a post set or dirt hole or other trapping smells & baits! It does work! Sounds stupid but works!!
Troy
You know, I never really thought about that until now - I watched coyotes this year at least two different times biting and pulling at a deflated bright green kevlar type balloon that I could see from my tree stand. They would trot down the trail and one would always start chewing and pulling on this darned balloon. I went to look at it later and the thing was chewed up as well as an old ball that had washed in from the creek. So.... I would bet that would be a really good "curve ball" type set for trap shy coyotes. I will give that a try next year.
Mark
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#652400 - 03/26/08 08:19 PM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your sets?
[Re: Mark June]
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Hunter5454
trapper
Registered: 09/22/07
Posts: 82
Loc: Michigan
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I hope you send it to TPC because that is what I get. I agree with the Soda bottle set. Someone put a antifreeze jug in one of my fields I was trapping. The yotes were drawn to it like a magnet. They walked right to it every time they went through. I was going to set it but we had some major storms and the area flooded before I could get a trap in. I will definitely use some of these "curiousity sets" next year!! 
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#652403 - 03/26/08 08:20 PM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your s
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Coyote Cuffer
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Registered: 01/10/07
Posts: 166
Loc: Lampasas,Texas
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I am looking forward to this article. Keep us posted. CC
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#652431 - 03/26/08 08:33 PM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your s
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baker
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 1310
Loc: south central,Nebraska
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i change baits up, change sets up slightly or dramaticly, blind set, snare, clean everything..or my favorite is to forget your freeze proof stuff and let your set freeze in, they always come in when you do that lol. if all else fails call 'em in
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#652455 - 03/26/08 08:44 PM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your s
[Re: baker]
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Mark June
trapper
Registered: 05/17/07
Posts: 301
Loc: Ft. Calhoun, Nebraska
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Just putting the finishing touches on will be a thought provoking article I promise. I reference 3 critical studies in coyote research whereby coyote behavior can be changed from a neophobic (shy/scared)response to a assertive response simply by how we set up our sets. And I'm afraid that a common belief that coyotes investigate everything in their territory has been shown time and time again to be incorrect. In fact the inverse is truer and I have done field research personally where coyote response is directly tied to home range so I've seen coyotes in action and the darned things are predictable as can be... if you know what to predict.
Dang, I was going to contact editor Mitch Cox at FFG about this article as it's pretty darned long and they pay better than TPC!!! But most so far say TPC.....
Mark
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#652512 - 03/26/08 09:38 PM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your s
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Jtrapper
trapper
Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 7374
Loc: Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...
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I don't get TPC so put it in FFG. After reading it i'll explain to ya how to catch those walk bys, lol.
Only study ive read is coyote A going by leaving doo doo near by to let me know he's not buying what im trying to sell him today, lol.
10 years of that off and on the answer started to sink into my hard head as to what was going on and how to correct the problem.
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#652525 - 03/26/08 09:46 PM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your s
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Mark June
trapper
Registered: 05/17/07
Posts: 301
Loc: Ft. Calhoun, Nebraska
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playin... I hear your diesel hummin! I may give them a call and see if pub dates are lining up and I could get it in there. TPC, I always have a slot to submit but I don't really pound them out every month like Serge or Jim SPencer and such. Love their articles but I go in spirts where I wrote a bit then I don't....
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#652543 - 03/26/08 09:56 PM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your s
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spataro
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Registered: 04/04/07
Posts: 178
Loc: acme, PA
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I agree with playin4fun FFG could use a great aticle.
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#652544 - 03/26/08 09:58 PM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your s
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Medlaketrap
trapper
Registered: 02/23/08
Posts: 45
Loc: Montana
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Please Mark, put it in FFG, like playin4funami said, they have been pretty flat lately.
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#652546 - 03/26/08 10:00 PM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your s
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Snowpa
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Registered: 01/05/08
Posts: 229
Loc: Mn.
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I use a flat set 20 feet or more down wind with a very small amount of gland lure . This set is placed when things start to slow down and the gland lure is added when its time.Some of these sets are covered with a piece of plywood so they are operational when I need them just lift the plywood and add a small drop of gland and gone without hardly breaking stride.Yes I have taken more than a few with this set so its not some armchair dream. They will find that little drop of gland lure.
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#652548 - 03/26/08 10:01 PM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your s
[Re: Snowpa]
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Mark June
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Registered: 05/17/07
Posts: 301
Loc: Ft. Calhoun, Nebraska
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#652561 - 03/26/08 10:10 PM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your s
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Jtrapper
trapper
Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 7374
Loc: Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...
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Sounds like the 10 second set of Charlie Dobbins.
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#652586 - 03/26/08 10:24 PM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your s
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dcampbell
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 991
Loc: livingston Tx
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make a real good cat set and for some darned reason a dang yote will just have to get in it for some unknown reason.
that does work more than i like it too, but, if they are just flat walking by my sets and it is usually where i have taken a number of yotes from that area i will go to straight flat sets since most of the sets i use are variations of dirtholes.
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#652655 - 03/26/08 11:20 PM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your s
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Tactical.20
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 1208
Loc: N.W. Iowa
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Set more somewhere else. Something new, but subtle not far from where others were caught. Preferably in a travel area on the way to or away.T.20
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#652656 - 03/26/08 11:21 PM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your s
[Re: dcampbell]
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Calvin
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Registered: 09/12/07
Posts: 958
Loc: Farminton, Minnesota
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Dang, I was going to contact editor Mitch Cox at FFG about this article as it's pretty darned long and they pay better than TPC!!! But most so far say TPC.....
Mark
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#652826 - 03/27/08 06:01 AM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your s
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Ely
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Registered: 08/29/07
Posts: 243
Loc: Somerset area, Pa.
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Urine post set 10-15 feet from my other sets blended in real good. If I cant catch em, then my excuse is i'm leav'n em for seed.
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#652848 - 03/27/08 06:33 AM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your s
[Re: Ely]
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Asa Lenon
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2476
Loc: Gulliver, Michigan
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Ely wrote...Urine post set 10-15 feet from my other sets blended in real good
Seldom have seen it fail to snag a suspicious or uninterested walk-by coyote! A blind scent/natural scent post set near by with something reserved exclusively for such situations like bobcat urine/gland, mink urine/gland, weasel musk, etc. in small amounts. Ace
PS- Personally in my region I have seen just as many coyotes go way out of their way to avoid unnatural things like plastic bottles and beer cans as those who investigate it so I wouldn't want to depend on that for my secret set.
Edited by Asa Lenon (03/27/08 06:37 AM)
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#652858 - 03/27/08 06:43 AM
Re: What do you do when coyotes don't visit your s
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TreedaBlackdog
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Registered: 01/16/07
Posts: 222
Loc: Pettis County Missouri
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I would cover my trap with an orange cone for about a week and forget about it.....then pull the cone a week later and re-lure.
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