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#649415 - 03/25/08 11:11 AM WackyQuacker and cat stretchers
bobCATching bobCATching trapper Registered: 12/26/06 Posts: 935 Loc: Nevada	WackyQuacker, Did you ever do any comparison between the "round headed" cat stretchers and "normal" ones as far as overall cat lengths? (measured nose to tail base) I just got through making a bunch of new new stretchers and this topic crossed my mind. For you guys that are new here: A post was made several years ago showing cats on some very unusual bobcat stretchers with round heads. Like most posts, it seemed like opinions were welcomed. Sooo, I made some comments on them. I would be concerned about loosing length on my bobcats. Because fur buyers take out their yardsticks and measure. Cats under 36" bring less money than cats over 36". Not my rules, just the way it is. When selling big lots of cats, it makes a substantial difference in your paycheck $\:\)$ Well, the post went south in a hurry with me being called a "know it all" and sarcastically referred to as "hollywood" etc. And I fired back with my own smarty alec comments to wacky. It's hard not to get defensive when you feel someone has personally attacked you, which I did. I have always regretted that egos got in the way of a good discussion of that topic. (They seem to have a way of doing that sometimes.) Anyway, I am bring the topic up again to clear the air and see if any length comparisons have ever been made between the two stretcher styles. _________________________ Videos: bobCATching 1 and bobCATching 2 Trapline to the fur shed.
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#649612 - 03/25/08 01:37 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: bobCATching]
Lone trapper Lone trapper trapper Registered: 12/22/06 Posts: 847 Loc: TX	I was wondering where that topic went.... It had some good info on it and it would be nice to bring it back up. TTT for holly, er Mr Wood! LOL $;\)$ _________________________ Meat is murder.... Tasty, Tasty, murder!
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#649613 - 03/25/08 01:37 PM p [Re: bobCATching]
huntinglonewolf huntinglonewolf trapper Registered: 12/27/06 Posts: 1909 Loc: Wyoming	p _________________________
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#649821 - 03/25/08 03:54 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: huntinglonewolf]
bobCATching bobCATching trapper Registered: 12/26/06 Posts: 935 Loc: Nevada	holley er wood checking back in LT $\:\)$ haha (aka driftwood, deadwood, hardwood to some spec,,, oh never mind) huntinglonewolf, is that your own design? I have an old coon basswood stretcher that looks somewhat like that, but not as exaggerated on the nose. Do you mark the lengths on the stretchers? 32", 36" and 40". It's handy to have on there when putting up fur. _________________________ Videos: bobCATching 1 and bobCATching 2 Trapline to the fur shed.
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#649836 - 03/25/08 03:59 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: bobCATching]
bobCATching bobCATching trapper Registered: 12/26/06 Posts: 935 Loc: Nevada	Edited because pictures are gone. _________________________ Videos: bobCATching 1 and bobCATching 2 Trapline to the fur shed.
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#649880 - 03/25/08 04:19 PM p [Re: bobCATching]
huntinglonewolf huntinglonewolf trapper Registered: 12/27/06 Posts: 1909 Loc: Wyoming	p _________________________
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#649884 - 03/25/08 04:24 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: bobCATching]
John Graham John Graham trapper Registered: 04/19/07 Posts: 329 Loc: Jordan, Montana	Hall E. Wood, are you going to mae some to sell? I would like to see some.
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#649900 - 03/25/08 04:31 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: John Graham]
bobCATching bobCATching trapper Registered: 12/26/06 Posts: 935 Loc: Nevada	John, I'm not a woodworker,, I can barely make enough of my own. Making 10 new boards is "bunch" to me. And if you talking about the round head boards, wrong guy to ask for a pattern $\:\)$ _________________________ Videos: bobCATching 1 and bobCATching 2 Trapline to the fur shed.
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#650031 - 03/25/08 05:50 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: bobCATching]
wildcatman wildcatman trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 146 Loc: Oklahoma	I made my first cat boards this year. I used both the NAFA and FHA patterns. Comparing them...the NAFA pattern had a noticeable broader and rounder head/neck/shoulder area to the pattern then the FHA board. I noticed that on a small female cat I had a hard time getting any length out of it on the NAFA board. On the larger cats I don't know if it mattered as much. Is that what you are referring too?
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#650053 - 03/25/08 05:57 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: bobCATching]
John Graham John Graham trapper Registered: 04/19/07 Posts: 329 Loc: Jordan, Montana	Steve, then you are in the same boat as me. I am "challenged" in a lot of things friends of mine can do with ease. They really make me look bad sometimes. I really was intersted in what shape you are using, and what thickness of board you are using. You are so very right in an inch or two making or losing you $$$. Also, you mentioned 36" cats, are they (buyers) using 36" as a basis in Nevada? It's always been 40" here. I am just curious. I do remember seeing that thread when it came up, and wished I had paid more attention. I use a 2 piece board for coyotes, and it will work great on 80-90% of my cats, but there are always some that you feel you could do a little better job of getting every inch out of them, and still keep them in proportion. I personally don't like the round head either, although there was a few of those stretchers being pushed a few years back by some buyers. Anyway, I was wondering what you guys were using. Thanks, and see you at Nephi.
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#650065 - 03/25/08 06:01 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: wildcatman]
bobCATching bobCATching trapper Registered: 12/26/06 Posts: 935 Loc: Nevada	Yes, that is what I was referring to. And it's interesting that the two are that much different. You wouldn't think that would be the case. I wondered if the "round head" boards made up for the length in some other area, like maybe the shoulders? Or the hind leg/base area. _________________________ Videos: bobCATching 1 and bobCATching 2 Trapline to the fur shed.
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#650068 - 03/25/08 06:01 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: John Graham]
NDlongliner NDlongliner trapper Registered: 12/26/06 Posts: 580 Loc: North Dakota	Anyone of you use the wire on the head end like Tom Krause uses. I know bfflbo uses them and also motrapperjohn makes them, I am getting a dozen of them to try.
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#650085 - 03/25/08 06:07 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: NDlongliner]
John Graham John Graham trapper Registered: 04/19/07 Posts: 329 Loc: Jordan, Montana	Steve, I would say that the western cats wouldn't gain much from the rounded head stretchers, although the cats I've seen from the midwest might. They seem to be shaped a little differant (cats) than our western ones. I might be wrong, haven't had to stretch many east of here. And, the belly doesn't look right on the straighter type stretcher without the taper at the neck and shoulder. Just my opinion, of course.
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#650098 - 03/25/08 06:12 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: bobCATching]
bobCATching bobCATching trapper Registered: 12/26/06 Posts: 935 Loc: Nevada	Yes John, the two buyers I had look at my fur went 32" L, 36"XL and 40" being an XXL and 44" a jumbo. (from what I remember, I'm not a fur buyer) And not trying to brag or "sound perfect" (as hlw stated), the buyers told me they offered me the highest average price of any offer they made this year to any single large lot of cats. I say this only to make mention that something must be being done right $\:\)$ And you mentioned just what is said in the fur handling section of bobCATching #1, get the length and keep the cat proportioned. The buyers have told me that some guys try to stretch a kitten 3 inches wide and get it to 36" for a large cat. They said they just laugh and grade it medium. The board thickness varies with the size of the stretcher. Thicker boards just last longer for me on the larger stretchers, without deforming or taking permanent warps. . _________________________ Videos: bobCATching 1 and bobCATching 2 Trapline to the fur shed.
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#650101 - 03/25/08 06:13 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: John Graham]
Lynxcattrapper Lynxcattrapper trapper Registered: 10/18/07 Posts: 2810 Loc: Idaho	ERRRRR... hollieweird Did they look like this???? _________________________ "cat trapping, i wish my brother had taught it to me" I...I...I LUV my BRUDDER...
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#650106 - 03/25/08 06:15 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: bobCATching]
Lynxcattrapper Lynxcattrapper trapper Registered: 10/18/07 Posts: 2810 Loc: Idaho	Originally Posted By: bobCATching And not trying to brag or "sound perfect" (as hlw stated), the buyers told me they offered me the highest average price of any offer they made this year to any single large lot of cats. . The LYIN SACKS!!!! That's what they told ME... told Andy.. told CODY... told... _________________________ "cat trapping, i wish my brother had taught it to me" I...I...I LUV my BRUDDER...
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#650112 - 03/25/08 06:17 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: bobCATching]
bobCATching bobCATching trapper Registered: 12/26/06 Posts: 935 Loc: Nevada	ND, No, never tried those that Tom mentions in his book. It sounds like a good idea. But them,,,, those are those inferior Wyoming cats he puts up!!! $\:\)$ (guys, that's an inside running joke for Tom from one of our meetings somewhere, he'll know that) _________________________ Videos: bobCATching 1 and bobCATching 2 Trapline to the fur shed.
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#650114 - 03/25/08 06:17 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: Lynxcattrapper]
Lynxcattrapper Lynxcattrapper trapper Registered: 10/18/07 Posts: 2810 Loc: Idaho	OR like this... (I have MORE but ya gotta BEG Steve ) _________________________ "cat trapping, i wish my brother had taught it to me" I...I...I LUV my BRUDDER...
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#650119 - 03/25/08 06:18 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: bobCATching]
Lynxcattrapper Lynxcattrapper trapper Registered: 10/18/07 Posts: 2810 Loc: Idaho	Originally Posted By: bobCATching ND, But them,,,, those are those inferior Wyoming cats he puts up!!! $\:\)$ (guys, that's an inside running joke for Tom from one of our meetings somewhere, he'll know that) ERRRRR steve.. tom lives in New Mexico... ????? _________________________ "cat trapping, i wish my brother had taught it to me" I...I...I LUV my BRUDDER...
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#650130 - 03/25/08 06:20 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: Lynxcattrapper]
Donnie Donnie trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 2660 Loc: Rimrock ,Arizona	think he ment the Other Tom _________________________ Trap Collectors 1500.00 CATS North to IDAHO!!!go North the rush is on
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#650132 - 03/25/08 06:20 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: bobCATching]
bobCATching bobCATching trapper Registered: 12/26/06 Posts: 935 Loc: Nevada	Lynx, what the heck is Mike tyson doing in a cat stretcher post? $\:\)$ It seems like guys that held their cats this year and sold late did better than the early sellers. A 100% turnaround from last year. _________________________ Videos: bobCATching 1 and bobCATching 2 Trapline to the fur shed.
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#650141 - 03/25/08 06:23 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: bobCATching]
bobCATching bobCATching trapper Registered: 12/26/06 Posts: 935 Loc: Nevada	Lynixe,, you just gotta slow down a bit,, i go through this same hyper stuff with the grandkids $\:\)$ $\:\)$ Yes, perfect, that second picture is one from the other post. Now measure it for length, take it off that board and put it on a normal one $\:\)$ please. _________________________ Videos: bobCATching 1 and bobCATching 2 Trapline to the fur shed.
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#650188 - 03/25/08 06:35 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: bobCATching]
Lynxcattrapper Lynxcattrapper trapper Registered: 10/18/07 Posts: 2810 Loc: Idaho	OK.... just did.. virtually IDENTICAL... notice the narrow'd neck... The stretcher...and SAME CAT out and in.. The same cat stretched "pointy style"... before/after..NOTICE the color is MUCH BETTER with the NM stretch... _________________________ "cat trapping, i wish my brother had taught it to me" I...I...I LUV my BRUDDER...
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#650192 - 03/25/08 06:38 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: Lynxcattrapper]
Lynxcattrapper Lynxcattrapper trapper Registered: 10/18/07 Posts: 2810 Loc: Idaho	The left NM cat brought 1125.00 when RESTRETCHED NM style... was only offered 375.00 NV stretch (note right pic of the cat) JUST the facts maam... _________________________ "cat trapping, i wish my brother had taught it to me" I...I...I LUV my BRUDDER...
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#650214 - 03/25/08 06:43 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: Lynxcattrapper]
bobCATching bobCATching trapper Registered: 12/26/06 Posts: 935 Loc: Nevada	Is all the extra wood in the cats mouth so you can manipulate the board off the dried cat? I guess nothing more need be said then. Go directly to NM to receive your reward $\:\)$ _________________________ Videos: bobCATching 1 and bobCATching 2 Trapline to the fur shed.
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#650224 - 03/25/08 06:45 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: bobCATching]
Lynxcattrapper Lynxcattrapper trapper Registered: 10/18/07 Posts: 2810 Loc: Idaho	YUP... like a belly board..a TWIST and the center boards come out allowing you to remove the two halves... HOWEVER understanding how RESILIENT Nevada cats are... I'd skip the center pieces... _________________________ "cat trapping, i wish my brother had taught it to me" I...I...I LUV my BRUDDER...
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#650787 - 03/25/08 11:50 PM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: Lynxcattrapper]
Joel Joel trapper Registered: 12/25/06 Posts: 112 Loc: nevada	I think you can make (or lose)as much or more length on how you skin the cat than what board you use. If you skin into the white on the inside of the color line (back legs) you can gain an extra inch or two easy. If you take a couple of stitches down the side of the tail you can get another inch or two. It depends on the size of the cat but it's quite possible to get 2-4 inches on a smaller cat and 4+ inches on a bigger cat without having to stretch them narrower. Conversely I've seen cats at the sale that have big brown patches on the inside of the back legs that should have been extra length on the hips. Joel Edited by Joel (03/25/08 11:53 PM)
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#650841 - 03/26/08 04:25 AM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: Joel]
John Graham John Graham trapper Registered: 04/19/07 Posts: 329 Loc: Jordan, Montana	Thanks Steve, thanks Joel. Lynx, still trying to decipher your post. Maybe after coffee.
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#650910 - 03/26/08 06:22 AM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: John Graham]
coloradocat coloradocat trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 82	I will again be bringing cat boards to the Western in Nephi. They are based off the Illchik style boards. Will have both small and large cats boards. Adjustable with tail boards. Also designed a board for Tracy Truman for the grey fox, and will have some of those as well.
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#650928 - 03/26/08 06:57 AM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: coloradocat]
Cameron2 Cameron2 trapper Registered: 01/01/07 Posts: 907 Loc: Nevada	ColoradoCat does good work and his boards are the right dimensions. That gray fox board is particularly suited for some of the smaller western silky gray fox. _________________________ The newest book AND DVD on gray fox trapping. http://www.grayfoxtrapping.com
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#650936 - 03/26/08 07:07 AM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: coloradocat]
Mark June Mark June trapper Registered: 05/17/07 Posts: 301 Loc: Ft. Calhoun, Nebraska	NDLongliner, I too use the boards like Tom Krause and love the way the cat is presented and since my NAFA average on NE cats this year was $340, the international buyers like the way they turn out also. Our bobcats are not the highest calibur (and certainly not the lowest) but since I went to the Krause board system, I have routinely done $$$$ better. Mark _________________________ http://www.markjuneslures.com
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#650948 - 03/26/08 07:19 AM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: Mark June]
bobCATching bobCATching trapper Registered: 12/26/06 Posts: 935 Loc: Nevada	Just as wildcatman pointed out, some stretchers are just to thick in the neck and you can't get a proper stretch on average and smaller size cats. If you can't get the head and neck on correctly, you will just loose length on the cat. Several board sizes are needed to do it right. One size does not fit all with cats and their variations from 10 pounds to close to 40. coloradocat, what type wood are your boards made out of? Guys, you can make extra money off good cats putting your fur up correctly. $\:\)$ _________________________ Videos: bobCATching 1 and bobCATching 2 Trapline to the fur shed.
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#651021 - 03/26/08 08:28 AM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: bobCATching]
coloradocat coloradocat trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 82	Steve, I make mine out of poplar for a couple of reasons. One is, it seems with basswood over time they want to go south on ya from sucking up the moisture from the hide. Guys will complain that they are hard to put pins in because of the harder wood. I think coping with the pin bit is a good trade off to having to buy new boards every few yrs. And second, the guys that want basswood, I cant buy it cheap enough to make it worth while to sell to the fur harvester. Just for the fact that it is so expensive out west. Ive sold a bundle of them to one of them to one of Pappas's buyers and he has had zero complaints.
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#651026 - 03/26/08 08:34 AM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: coloradocat]
coloradocat coloradocat trapper Registered: 12/24/06 Posts: 82	And FWIW, the NV will know. This style of board had the TOP Cat at the Fallon sale.
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#651041 - 03/26/08 08:47 AM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: coloradocat]
bobCATching bobCATching trapper Registered: 12/26/06 Posts: 935 Loc: Nevada	They sound like good boards! I agree with what you said. I broke up and threw away 2 basswood stretchers after this season myself. They were just twisted and warped beyond use anymore. I'm pretty sure that putting fur on the boards fur side out right at the start contributes to this somewhat. But I have no intentions of not doing it! It just saves to much time. And I use nails instead of tacks so the harder wood is not an issue with me anyway. More than one way to do anything, to each his own $\:\)$ _________________________ Videos: bobCATching 1 and bobCATching 2 Trapline to the fur shed.
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#651259 - 03/26/08 11:52 AM Re: WackyQuacker and cat stretchers [Re: bobCATching]
bfflobo bfflobo trapper Registered: 12/23/06 Posts: 240 Loc: Central Oregon	Here is what I use. Same that Tom Krause has in his book. Can stretch the biggest coyote down to the smallest cat, coon, badger,ect. all on the same board. REMEMBER; on cats alway keep at least a 7 1/2" Minimun in width on the smaller ones, then let the length be what it is. On larger ones, pull the base of the tail down to and see where you are in the grade scale. If you can't get the next length, let it go back up to just over the the next shorter standard and take the rest in width. Gives more square inches of white. Check this out:http://coyotesrus.proboards35.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=1204060293 At the moment it is on page 4. Barn, Bubber and Me Edited by bfflobo (03/26/08 12:05 PM) _________________________ Clean traps,tight lines,straight shooting
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